doct3r dr3 wrote:dsg2021 wrote:doct3r dr3 wrote:Neon1, I didn't say Oladipo was necessarily a better shooter than McLemore, but people act like McLemore is Ray Allen and Oladipo is Tony Allen, when percentages tell a different story. Of course the volume argument is a fair one, but ~1 3PM per game isn't nothing -- Paul Pierce made 1.1 his last year and Vince Carter made 1.2 in his. The "spot up" argument isn't a very good one. It's not like McLemore was killing people off the dribble.
I know you're trying to back off Oladipo as a better shooter than McLemore, but saying the spot up argument isn't very good is a really bad contradiction. You don't take as many 3's as McLemore without having some extremely close shut-outs or outright on the dribble/hesitation made-jumpers. Meanwhile, Oladipo has never made more than two 3 pointers in any single game in three whole whopping college seasons.
Kansas relied on McLemore for offense more than Indiana did Oladipo. They ran a lot of screens for McLemore to get catch-and-shoot looks, in a manner not dissimilar to J.J. Redick at Duke. He was encouraged to shoot more, and a lot of the offense was built around getting him open. In the pros, both players, like J.J. Redick, will probably be relegated to the role of opportunistic, non-first option shooters, the way Oladipo was in college.
The NBA body to drive argument has been mentioned lightly before, I know you weren't comparing Ben to Oladipo in that post you made a page or so behind, but for comparison sake, I believe you're doing some of those NBA comps with in-shoe heights but then you're doing McLemore's barefoot height. Bad shoehorning. He is around 6 '4.75" tall in-shoes which is round-up territory to 6 '5 and a half inch taller than Oladipo's in-shoe height. Granted, I think like 6 '5.5 to like 6 '7 or 6 '8 is the NBA range of SG's, but it's still really close for basically both McLemore and Oladipo, and basically both their speed and athleticism makes them set for being great NBA SGs in the athletic sense. You're concerned about weight, but McLemore is like only 10-15 lbs away from some of them, and much younger still.
1. All of the heights were barefoot heights taken from
DraftExpress.
2. McLemore's not all that young; he redshirted his freshman year and turned 20 in February. He's like 8 or 9 months younger than Oladipo, 3 months younger than Shabazz.
Good point on the first paragraph, the offense structure of each team could be a huge factor, but I think the career shooting %'s of McLemore and Oladipo again point to McLemore just being one of the best shooters period. Also, you're really underrating how hard it is to use screens and bodies that crafty for shooting and making those shots. Then you mention J.J., who actually still does use a lot of screens and crafty motion off bodies for his shooting just fine as the not-first option in offense in the past 3-4 NBA seasons. You could point to J.J.'s first two poor seasons of getting shots and make a McLemore correlation, but then you're admitting there is a curve of improvement there for someone who is a pure shooter, and I never ever thought McLemore would be an amazing SG from day 1 or season 1. That's what I project in another season or so though. Using J.J. also hurts though again, the Magic set a ton of screens for him, so you just made a bridge for those same teammates to use those same screens/techniques J.J. used with them, for McLemore.
Your second paragraph is right, but I failed to mention on my part that I meant comparing McLemore's weight to the in the NBA already SG's ages & corresponding weights. Someone that young being only 10-15 lbs from NBA SG's who are varied amounts of years already older than McLemore. So he can't make 10 lbs in 2-3 years from now you think, if he has to?
The heights points were really wrong of me to assume you lied or shoehorned, but I also failed to mention that in all 7 SG's heights you mentioned, McLemore was actually taller than 4/7 of them and really close to 5/7 of them (Harden) anyways. Again, I don't want to think McLemore/Oladipo are taller than most NBA SG's anyways, but take their speed and athleticism into it, and they' will, again, be great NBA SG's in the athletic sense.
