NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 2

[deneem4]

ginobli gave it away...both games...you can definitely blame him for game 6 and some dumbass plays at the end of game 7

[FAH1223]

The worst part is now I respect the Heat. I have lost my hate for them. They all scrapped and kept coming back all series. the Heat were the team to finally win two in a row. All their players had good moments.

Benedict Allen hit a gigantic three in game six. James had huge games in six and seven. Wade had monstrous defensive efforts and played with great energy. Bosh called out Green and did shut both Green and Parker down with rotational help defense. Bosh also hit the boards hard. Miller made a lot of good defensive plays, and forced his way into minutes from Spoelstra. Battier once again went off in the final game. The whole team played together with little showboating. No dirty plays.

I think SA was a little more frail between Parker's injury and Manu's waning game. Ginobili still scores but he's getting weaker and doesn't make the spectacular pass without turnovers. I think SA had inflexible lineups and this wasn't Popovich's finest coaching. Green was so great the first five games, but was the opposite the last two. Diaw was solid but maybe didn't play enough. Splitter was generally not athletic enough but still showed up nicely. No Blair was a curious move.

I can accept evil winning this series.

Yeah, Diaw should have played in the 4th quarter. Ginobili once again had the back breaking turnovers.

[closg00]

ginobli gave it away...both games...you can definitely blame him for game 6 and some dumbass plays at the end of game 7

Manure Ginobli as he is now known in Texas.

[pancakes3]

So Ray Allen made the huge shot in game 6 and now he has his ring.

Rayray's got 2.

Last night was abysmal. I watched it buffalo billiards. I should have just stayed home and saved myself the 30 bucks.

[FAH1223]

ginobli gave it away...both games...you can definitely blame him for game 6 and some dumbass plays at the end of game 7

Manure Ginobli as he is now known in Texas.

For the moment he is known as that but he still won 3 championships there. When the dust settles, Spurs fans will realize they have had a great run.

The West has no dominant team. The Spurs could easily be back there with some moves to get another big, another 3 and D wing, and a backup PG (either their young guys like De Colo and Joseph improve or they look to the draft). SA could have $20 million in cap space. Health to Timmy, Tony Parker are obviously key... and Leonard is going to be really, really good. He probably should be referred to as part of the big 3... with Manu being left out. I think Manu re-signs at a very cheap price but the problem is that Pop is too loyal to him. He only should play 20 mins.

[FAH1223]

"A lot of teams trash talk, all through the game, but not these Spurs. Like Kawhi Leonard, I don't think he said a word the entire series. I don't even know how he sounds like, he's a bad boy, he's going to be good" - D Wade

[nuposse04]

"A lot of teams trash talk, all through the game, but not these Spurs. Like Kawhi Leonard, I don't think he said a word the entire series. I don't even know how he sounds like, he's a bad boy, he's going to be good" - D Wade

Jan Mother **** Vesely. GOD DAMNIT.

I think Leonard ends up being the 2nd best SF in the west for quite some time.

[dobrojim]

EG wasn't the only one who passed Kawhi over even if he was the one
who passed him over for Vesely.

Re the Finals - the Spurs lost it in game 6. I still think they should
have fouled, up 3 in regulation with the shot clock off. By not doing that,
they allowed the Heat to go down the easiest path, a 3 ball, to keep the game going.

Valiant effort in game 7 but too much to overcome when Battier (don't like him either, Dukie)
replaced DGreen as the guy who couldn't miss from 3.

Remember what I said about Final's MVPs - no role players win it;
almost exclusively HOFers.

We (I) should have known the chances of Green (or Neal) repeating their earlier
success on the road in game 7 were minimal.

[Kanyewest]

EG wasn't the only one who passed Kawhi over even if he was the one
who passed him over for Vesely.

Re the Finals - the Spurs lost it in game 6. I still think they should
have fouled, up 3 in regulation with the shot clock off. By not doing that,
they allowed the Heat to go down the easiest path, a 3 ball, to keep the game going.

Valiant effort in game 7 but too much to overcome when Battier (don't like him either, Dukie)
replaced DGreen as the guy who couldn't miss from 3.

Remember what I said about Final's MVPs - no role players win it;
almost exclusively HOFers.

We (I) should have known the chances of Green (or Neal) repeating their earlier
success on the road in game 7 were minimal.

Danny Green in his last two games was 2-19 and and 2-11 from 3. The averages had to catch up on him sometime.

[Earth2Ted]

For those of you that watched the Finals- how big a factor was Tony Parker's injury? I missed the whole thing, but from the outside it seems like that hamstring was the turning point in the whole series.

Of all LeBron's gifts that leave you shaking your head, for me an underrated one is that the dude just never seems to get hurt- ever. Meanwhile Parker gets banged up, Westbrook goes down with an ACL, Kobe tears his achilles, and Derrick Rose never even gets on the court with this knee this year.

Not to wish injury on anybody, but sometimes it just doesn't seem fair.

[FAH1223]

Parker I think was fine. He had a big Game 5. I think he just missed shots had went away from his floater. Pop not having him on the floor was odd cause Manu did his best to keep turning it over.

[Wizardspride]

Parker I think was fine. He had a big Game 5. I think he just missed shots had went away from his floater. Pop not having him on the floor was odd cause Manu did his best to keep turning it over.

Personally, I think his hamstring played a major factor.

He looked like he was lacking his normal burst.

[FAH1223]

Parker I think was fine. He had a big Game 5. I think he just missed shots had went away from his floater. Pop not having him on the floor was odd cause Manu did his best to keep turning it over.

Personally, I think his hamstring played a major factor.

He looked like he was lacking his normal burst.

He had it on Sunday night when he was cooking whoever was guarding him.

Made that step back 3 and then got that layup at the end of game 6.

LeBron and Bosh we're fantastic on PNR defense.

[Kanyewest]

Parker I think was fine. He had a big Game 5. I think he just missed shots had went away from his floater. Pop not having him on the floor was odd cause Manu did his best to keep turning it over.

Personally, I think his hamstring played a major factor.

He looked like he was lacking his normal burst.

He had it on Sunday night when he was cooking whoever was guarding him.

Made that step back 3 and then got that layup at the end of game 6.

LeBron and Bosh we're fantastic on PNR defense.

That 3 was completely lucky IMO. Even then, he was 6 for 23. Still not sure it was the injury though or if MIami's defense picked up it a notch but I guess we'll never really know.

[GhostsOfGil]

IKD if it was the injury or fatigue... But one of the 2 definitely was a factor in game 7.

[BruceO]

One thing I took away from the series is kawhis pretty good and he's no formal of liability. Ginobli had many turnovers in game six, he was doing okay in seven and then his nerves got to him and all of a sudden passes were Being thrown away, others were bouncing balls off feet.. They seemed almost not athletic enough or big they struggled to pass around Miami and Duncan was getting doubled and rushed.

I was not impressed by Danny green even in the good games, he seemed to have a low income especially defensively, I watched him time and time again give details Wade the same mid. Shot from the left side of the free throw line. It reached a point during Wade would deliberately go to that spot. I don't blame him for defense on LeBron but don't know if this was a coach decision but even if you want to give up the three don't give LeBron that much time to shoot it and that much space.

Offensively all he is is a spot up shooter. When he's on it helps your spacing, when he's not he begins to try slash and once he does that he will not get all the way to the rim, he will pick it up and try pass it but either way it's a turnover. I can see why teams passed on him, for instance I think southerland can be just as good.

I mentioned elsewhere how LeBron was well utilized, he'd play point offensively, was used as a screener and he has vastly improved his post skills so can play power forward. Defensively its good to have him as a power for his rebounding. No wonder he triple doubles, he's your primary scorer, Point guard so he can assist and is put in a position to rebound.

I noticed LeBron plays almost exclusively one hand at a time on his dribbles, need to see it more but whenever he keeps it on his left hand he will shoot it in the next two left handed dribbles and he won't drive based on his left hand.

D Wade as I said like the mid range spot almost a beam the free throw line. Take away that spot force him to drive baseline and when he drives with that side he will get close to the baseline the shot fake a pull up of the dribble. Unless he stopped van gundy pointed d this out as well. I didn't get to see it obviously cause they gave him what he wanted.

[dobrojim]

I don't see how you can fail to be impressed by what Green did in the series
even if he ultimately couldn't sustain his level of play. He was shooting ~70% from
3 for the first 5 games. And defensively he made a number of outstanding plays on
LBJ. If you knew you were getting that from him at the start, you'd have to be
pretty happy with that I would think.

They were a coaching decision away from winning the series up 3 with the shot
clock off in game 6. I may be beating a dead horse here but if they had simply
fouled, they would have had an excellent change of winning.

[pancakes3]

I agree dobro. I think it's just hard for people to acknowledge that Pops may have not made a correct coaching call there but to me it's pretty clear that turning the final seconds into a FT contest would have been the better move.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

"A lot of teams trash talk, all through the game, but not these Spurs. Like Kawhi Leonard, I don't think he said a word the entire series. I don't even know how he sounds like, he's a bad boy, he's going to be good" - D Wade

Jan Mother **** Vesely. GOD DAMNIT.

I think Leonard ends up being the 2nd best SF in the west for quite some time.

We even had a "Do not draft Vesely" poll result winner. My draft was Faried, Leonard, Brooks--and had posted along with others about Klay Thompson. Still others wanted Vucevic.

nuposse, the good news is they have at least worked out guys we suggest and IMO their decision makers will get this draft right.

I EXPECT a good to great draft night, regardless of trades or not.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

One thing I got from the playoffs is a team cannot have too many three point shooters. Guys like Bosh can help a lot without most of their offense coming from inside the paint.