Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[gambitx777]

On the money note, Yeah, there should be a little kick back to those players. But there are other ways he could have gotten those tat's thats not under the table money.

On McLemore, Im fine with taking him at 3. I have no problem with that at all, because guard depth is an issue, and having two 2 guards that we can trade down the line gives us great flexibility. Because both beal and Maclemore will be lucrative assets that can net us a loto pick next year or Allow us to dump NENE if he get's hurt again. and if that we win with them, keep them, make the playoffs and maybe trade one next season.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

At this point I just want to get this draft over with.

I know who I want. There's really nothing else to analyze or discuss.

And I am increasingly confident Ernie is going to make some aggravatingly boneheaded trade. It's his wheelhouse. The 5 for Jamison, the 5 for Miller/Foye are some examples of what we can expect.

Also notice in 2005 Wizards had no 1st round pick... can't remember what happened to that.

At any rate. I can't take the suspense any more. I'm now in shut down mode mentally. I just want to get it over with. Kinda like going to the dentist.

[DCZards]

McLemore has been the least mentioned player on this thread. He gets overlooked a lot. Although I 'm generally opposed to the Zards drafting a SG, McLemore, Beal and Wall together would be lethal.

I understand Ben has had a couple of disappointing workouts for teams, apparently not in shape. If you're drafting a SG and you're looking at the short-term take Olapido. But if you want a player who will someday be one of the top 3-4 SGs in the NBA and a regular all-star, McLemore is that guy.

[BigA]

At this point I just want to get this draft over with.

I know who I want. There's really nothing else to analyze or discuss.

And I am increasingly confident Ernie is going to make some aggravatingly boneheaded trade. It's his wheelhouse. The 5 for Jamison, the 5 for Miller/Foye are some examples of what we can expect.

Also notice in 2005 Wizards had no 1st round pick... can't remember what happened to that.

At any rate. I can't take the suspense any more. I'm now in shut down mode mentally. I just want to get it over with. Kinda like going to the dentist.

Re the 2005 pick, from Wikipedia:

"On June 24, 2004, Denver acquired Washington's first-round draft pick from Orlando in exchange for the draft rights to Jameer Nelson. Previously, Orlando acquired a 2005 first-round draft pick and Laron Profit on August 1, 2001 from Washington in exchange for Brendan Haywood. Denver used the 20th pick to draft Julius Hodge."

[SUPERBALLMAN]

At this point I just want to get this draft over with.

I know who I want. There's really nothing else to analyze or discuss.

And I am increasingly confident Ernie is going to make some aggravatingly boneheaded trade. It's his wheelhouse. The 5 for Jamison, the 5 for Miller/Foye are some examples of what we can expect.

Also notice in 2005 Wizards had no 1st round pick... can't remember what happened to that.

At any rate. I can't take the suspense any more. I'm now in shut down mode mentally. I just want to get it over with. Kinda like going to the dentist.

Re the 2005 pick, from Wikipedia:

"On June 24, 2004, Denver acquired Washington's first-round draft pick from Orlando in exchange for the draft rights to Jameer Nelson. Previously, Orlando acquired a 2005 first-round draft pick and Laron Profit on August 1, 2001 from Washington in exchange for Brendan Haywood. Denver used the 20th pick to draft Julius Hodge."

Thanks BigA... yeah that was actually a good trade by MJ. Haywood was a good center for us for the 20th pick, about what I'd expect from guys like Withey or Dieng this year. Kinda funny though looking at it... Haywood was picked at 20 (in 2001), then the future pick we dealt for him turned out to also be #20 (2005).

[hands11]

On the money note, Yeah, there should be a little kick back to those players. But there are other ways he could have gotten those tat's thats not under the table money.

On McLemore, Im fine with taking him at 3. I have no problem with that at all, because guard depth is an issue, and having two 2 guards that we can trade down the line gives us great flexibility. Because both beal and Maclemore will be lucrative assets that can net us a loto pick next year or Allow us to dump NENE if he get's hurt again. and if that we win with them, keep them, make the playoffs and maybe trade one next season.

Which has been a position I have promoted with him and Burke.

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

I think it more and more likely Len goes #1

http://www.nbadraft.net/

And I think its also very possible Burke goes #2
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/03/nba-dra ... ndo-magic/

So McLemore, VO, and Otto very well may be there at #3

[theboomking]

Hands, if that happens, and Nerlens, VO, McLemore and Porter are available, then we will be positioned well. I still think Porter is the pick.

Regardless of who we get in the 1st, I really like Erik Murphy in the second. He had a 41% 3P% last year and shot 45% from 3 this year on 4.4 attempts per game. He has a 9'0" standing reach and is a capable, if not great defender. Reportedly, Murphy has killed it in workouts with his shooting. I really think he can be a good stretch 4 for us. I would identify Murphy's rebounding as his biggest weakness.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Erik-Murphy-5273/

[montestewart]

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

So you wouldn't take Tyson Chandler or Mutombo top 3 in this draft?

[truwizfan4evr]

Who are everyone sleepers in this year draft?

[dobrojim]

Draft thread seem to be dying lately

There are barely any rumors going around. We're going to start hearing some good stuff before draft day or hours before the draft.

nothing new to really talk about...of course that's been mostly true since the combines
other than the workouts which we don't really get objective information about beyond
who worked out where.

[hands11]

At this point I just want to get this draft over with.

I know who I want. There's really nothing else to analyze or discuss.

And I am increasingly confident Ernie is going to make some aggravatingly boneheaded trade. It's his wheelhouse. The 5 for Jamison, the 5 for Miller/Foye are some examples of what we can expect.

Also notice in 2005 Wizards had no 1st round pick... can't remember what happened to that.

At any rate. I can't take the suspense any more. I'm now in shut down mode mentally. I just want to get it over with. Kinda like going to the dentist.

Superballman

This is a tough year to figure out but I'm not overly worried.

They drafted well Wall's year and even while some say that was a no brainer, they could have viably gone with Turner, Favors, or Cousins. Wall was a great raw talent, not a finished product but they needed a franchise guy to replace Gil. There was risk in picking him and they got it right.

And last year, I was really worried we would miss out on Beal, and I really wanted Beal, but that worked out. Even though people felt Ted/EG showed their hand. But Beal was the perfect fit in talent and character for what the team needed and they got him.

Last year I was also really worried Wall would continue to struggle in putting a complete rounded game together and remain more of a track star playing PG then a multidimensional threat. Until last year, the risk of picking Wall #1 was a weight on the team. And then he started talking about how he wanted max before he proved he deserved it. The wheels looked like they could come off this thing before it got rolling. But now that looks like it will work out just fine.

So we got Beal and Wall turned into that multidimensional legit threat franchise type that we needed. So that's two top 3 picks and two home runs. And in that time, a franchise has been rebuilt from the lows of gun gate, a clown locker room, a new owner, crap defense and generally a none winning style of basketball, into a solid team with young talent, vets, character, upside and assets. Our biggest worries not are will Ves pan out, not will Dray get arrested.

Say what you want about EG, but since Ted took over as owner, they have made some sound choices. Sure they could have done better but as a total plan, what they did has played out well and now they have a greater asset then they even planned on.

... this is the free-bee pick in a lot of ways. They weren't supposed to have this pick. If not for a freak injury to Wall, they would have had a better record this year even with the talent they had. And even with that, they went from 8th to 3rd by total luck. They easily could be picking 15th or so this year. But that's the challenge in this draft. Its a weak draft at the top which would put them in a position to take a greater risk then they need. At a lower pick they would be looking at CJM, Adams, or Zeller which would be lower cost nice additions for where they are going into 2014 was more cap space. So what to do to maximize the extra asset value of this pick without over paying for project talent that might bust or medium talent that you spend a top #3 to get ? That's the challenge as I see it.

Wall, Beal, Webster, Nene where good decisions. The Okafor/Trevor A deal happened only because they were actually able to move GIls worst in the league contract for Lewis's 2nd worse which was an amazing trade. That turned into viable assets in Okafor and Trevor A on contracts that were the perfect length because they were long enough to help them get established while also being large enough to be good trade assets while also leaving the option of actually extending them if needed.

Meanwhile they drafted and added high character professionals with talent. They trimmed off the characters that didn't fit that had talent but were not maximizing it here. Dray, Nick, McGee, Crawford.

The one major questionable move was the Ves draft. And while I wanted something different, I think they knew Ves was a project and with more tanking in the plans, they were willing to take that risk in that year knowing it would be 3 years before they would know if they hit a Triple/HR and struck out swinging for the long ball. Well next year is year 3 for Ves. And while Ves at #6 was to high for him, they cut a break landing the #3 this year so they have a chance to break even. And if Ves works out, they are way ahead of the game with the #6 and #3, instead of the #3 and something like #15 or so.

And lastly, while Randy may not be the big name coach, they made the right choice in keeping him for two years. He is also a solid character who was a great fit for where the team was. I don't think he has done a perfect job but he did install a great defense and set the standards. And this year, he should finally be in charge of a roster that has some talent, that's unified, so he can get some Ws next to his name.

If you take all those moves combined, I think its easy to see they are making way more right moves then wrong ones. The fear that they may blow this is natural, but most of the stupid stuff they did was Pre-Ted. Not after.

So what I don't know is how risk adverse at they this year. Do they see this pick as a freebee since they didn't expect to have it so they swing for the fences. Or are they steady as she goes and try to extra the extra value out of the pick they didn't expect to have.

I could see where Noel would be the choice, though they say they wouldn't pick him. I still don't think he will play next year. They would go Len if he was there, but I think he will be gone. Otto would be swinging for a double with running on base. Basically draft Trevor A with the 3rd pick. Zeller is similarly a sound choice but they are already crowed at PF.

So if this is a free swing at the plate, I think VO might make the best sense if you are managing risk/reward. He fits the defensive mold, and has Wade like upside if he can improve his handles. Healthy. Efficient. A hard worker. A winner. Athletic. This seems to be the right fit across the board for the team where it is, specially with Beal being an injury concern until proven otherwise.

[hands11]

McLemore has been the least mentioned player on this thread. He gets overlooked a lot. Although I 'm generally opposed to the Zards drafting a SG, McLemore, Beal and Wall together would be lethal.

I understand Ben has had a couple of disappointing workouts for teams, apparently not in shape. If you're drafting a SG and you're looking at the short-term take Olapido. But if you want a player who will someday be one of the top 3-4 SGs in the NBA and a regular all-star, McLemore is that guy.

I think the Wizards board would like something like this..

Len
Burke/VO
McLemore/Zeller
CJM

I don't think they will go high reward/high risk which would be Noel and Bennett. Having hit with Wall and Beal and so far looking like a strike out on Ves, they need to at least hit a triple with this one. Otto is too safe, they can shoot for more upside then that and take a little more risk. That would be Len.

Burke and VO I see as pretty much zero risk but with great upside.
McLemore is a great talent, more risk, great upside, but not the personality leader of a Burke or VO
Zeller would be a Otto type pick but at PF instead of SF and I see both position as crowed already.
CJM would be a perfect pick if they were still picking 8-10th.

I say they take Len if he is there, if not, Burke or VO. One should be there.

If they go with Len, they follow up with Pierre Jackson or Wolter
If they go Burke/VO, they follow up with Carmichael or Iverson with a 2nd pick

In either case and Ryan Kelly 2nd 2nd or FA AJ S4 cheap cheap for 1 year.

If AJ, then 2nd 2nd of Romero Osby as a Booker replacement insurance if he can't stay healthy

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

[Knighthonor]

On the money note, Yeah, there should be a little kick back to those players. But there are other ways he could have gotten those tat's thats not under the table money.

On McLemore, Im fine with taking him at 3. I have no problem with that at all, because guard depth is an issue, and having two 2 guards that we can trade down the line gives us great flexibility. Because both beal and Maclemore will be lucrative assets that can net us a loto pick next year or Allow us to dump NENE if he get's hurt again. and if that we win with them, keep them, make the playoffs and maybe trade one next season.

Which has been a position I have promoted with him and Burke.

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

I think it more and more likely Len goes #1

http://www.nbadraft.net/

And I think its also very possible Burke goes #2
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/03/nba-dra ... ndo-magic/

So McLemore, VO, and Otto very well may be there at #3

So is Ben Mc better than Beal? What about VO?

If so, how can they be used along wih Beal. Not like backup Jordan Crawford who could shoot and play point guard with his handle and passing.

[Knighthonor]

@Hands drafting Jan seem worst than MJ drafting KB at this point.

[hands11]

Hands, if that happens, and Nerlens, VO, McLemore and Porter are available, then we will be positioned well. I still think Porter is the pick.

Regardless of who we get in the 1st, I really like Erik Murphy in the second. He had a 41% 3P% last year and shot 45% from 3 this year on 4.4 attempts per game. He has a 9'0" standing reach and is a capable, if not great defender. Reportedly, Murphy has killed it in workouts with his shooting. I really think he can be a good stretch 4 for us. I would identify Murphy's rebounding as his biggest weakness.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Erik-Murphy-5273/

I hope he is on their board, but I wouldn't say its a regardless move. I think it depends on who they pick first because they will determine what they want later.

With AJ as a option to add for one year as a S4 cheap, that is also on the table. I see several valuable pieces in the 2nd so we will see how that plays out.

[hands11]

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

So you wouldn't take Tyson Chandler or Mutombo top 3 in this draft?

Chandler 7-1 235 2nd pick in a crap draft where Kwame when #1. P Gasol was clearly the pick in that draft.

For this team...Chandler ? no.

Not with the other options that are there, his health issues, and how long it took for him to get it going. By the time you really wanted him, he cost a ton of money. So no to Chandler for the Wizards this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-chandler

Are you arguing this is the guy you want at #3. Look at his first 5 years with Chicago. Can't hit a FT. Doesn't score that well. Solid rebounding but not eye popping.

No, I would not take Chandler.

Mutombo was 7-2 245 that ended up 260. Picked 4th in another crappy draft and a long long time ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikembe_Mutombo

Mutombo's impact was immediate. As a rookie, he was selected for the All-Star team and averaged 16.6 points, 12.3 rebounds, and nearly three blocks per game. His original intention was to become a doctor.

His combination of height, power and long arms have led to a record tying four NBA Defensive Player of the Year awards, a feat equaled only by Ben Wallace. He was also an eight-time All-Star and was elected into three All-NBA and six All-Defensive Teams.[10] Along with his defensive prowess Mutombo also could contribute offensively, averaging at least 10 points per game until he reached age 35

Would I take Mutombo. Does a Bear **** in the woods ?

But I don't think Noel will be Mutombo. He is shorter and lighter.

If anything Noel is more likely to be the injury ridden Marcus Camby who started zero games in his 3rd year and 11 in his 4th year. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... rcus-camby

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-h ... syear=1996

Chalk me up as rather having Ray Allen or Kobe out of that draft.

[hands11]

On the money note, Yeah, there should be a little kick back to those players. But there are other ways he could have gotten those tat's thats not under the table money.

On McLemore, Im fine with taking him at 3. I have no problem with that at all, because guard depth is an issue, and having two 2 guards that we can trade down the line gives us great flexibility. Because both beal and Maclemore will be lucrative assets that can net us a loto pick next year or Allow us to dump NENE if he get's hurt again. and if that we win with them, keep them, make the playoffs and maybe trade one next season.

Which has been a position I have promoted with him and Burke.

At a top 3 pick, you want the best two way talent you can grab. Top 3 picks are to valuable to be used on one way players.

I think it more and more likely Len goes #1

http://www.nbadraft.net/

And I think its also very possible Burke goes #2
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/03/nba-dra ... ndo-magic/

So McLemore, VO, and Otto very well may be there at #3

So is Ben Mc better than Beal? What about VO?

If so, how can they be used along wih Beal. Not like backup Jordan Crawford who could shoot and play point guard with his handle and passing.

If Ben ends up better then Beals, its going to take a several years and lots of grooming. Part of what makes Beal so special is his rock solid foundation of his family. McLemore didn't get that. Its not that he can't over come it, he has already beaten the odds, but that kind of solid foundation that Beal got is not something that is easy to grow later. McLemore can get there. But it will take time. vs.. Beal is a special person and talent already.

Ben may be more athletic. Maybe something like how Dominique was so athlete but MJ had mind and more feel for the game. Not the best comparison because MJ was every athlete but something like that.

VO on the other hand is already there mentally. He is a grown man type like Beal was. Only VO has what Beal had for offense in his defense. And Beal was a good defender. I don't think he will ever be the pure shooter Beal is. But he is a warrior and a winner. I see that similar to Beal.

I see VO and Beal closer to similar talents with Beal more offense and VO more defense. VO is a better athlete, Beal a better mind.

I think Beal will be better, but both will be in many playoff games. I also see Burke leading a team pretty much in year one. Burke is the type that will going to lead and will a team to win.

How could they use McLemore with Beal, your right, he doesn't work as well as a hybrid like Crawford. Beal would have to add enough handles to play some PG, which is something he said he wanted to do when he was drafted. And with him sidelined right now, he can't be making much progress toward that.

That players is Burke or CJM. The more pure SG that could play spot minutes in a 3 guard line up are McLemore and VO. McLemore the pure shooter. VO the defender, efficient shooter and warrior competitor.

To take any of Burke, VO or McLemore is over drafting for the position but that is a luxury they can do since they dumb lucked into a #3 this year. Any of those players will retain value that can be more later. All would help right away in game one. And by not going PF, you keep the door open for Kevin and Ves to increase their value. It may be a long shot, but if Ves can get him mind together in year 3 and add a mid range, he goes from bust near negative value to value and the team needs to acquire talent and value to keep building.

The Wizards have a great opportunity to store some extra talent that can get moved later while taking almost zero risk. I see no reason to swing for the fences with other better options.

Keep in mind, the final design of the team do not have to happen this draft. Wall and Beal are young and they have more cap room coming free after this year. Extra talent, picks, expiring contracts in hand, they should be sitting pretty come 2014/2015

Plus keep in mind they most likely have the inside track to add Boogie some time down the road. That another top 5 pick they may well have in their back pocket when the time is right.

[hands11]

@Hands drafting Jan seem worst than MJ drafting KB at this point.

That was a crap year to have the #1 but Kwame was pretty much the consciousness #1 that year.

Tyson was taken 2nd, but traded along with Brian Skinner to Chicago for Elton Brand.

Pau at 3, traded along with Lorenzen Wright and Brevin Knight to Atlanta for Shareef Abdur-Rahim and the rights to Jamal Tinsley (#27).

Sounds similar to this years draft only actually I think way worse.

But that draft did have Parker #28th and Gil at 30th

Kwame's biggest problem was his mind and heart and that he was drafted to high. That could be similar to Ves, we will see after this year. Ves just need to decide what he really wants. After that, I think he can get there.

[UGA Hayes]

Part VII !!!!

[truwizfan4evr]

@Hands drafting Jan seem worst than MJ drafting KB at this point.

That was a crap year to have the #1 but Kwame was pretty much the consciousness #1 that year.

Tyson was taken 2nd, but traded along with Brian Skinner to Chicago for Elton Brand.

Pau at 3, traded along with Lorenzen Wright and Brevin Knight to Atlanta for Shareef Abdur-Rahim and the rights to Jamal Tinsley (#27).

Sounds similar to this years draft only actually I think way worse.

But that draft did have Parker #28th and Gil at 30th

Kwame's biggest problem was his mind and heart and that he was drafted to high. That could be similar to Ves, we will see after this year. Ves just need to decide what he really wants. After that, I think he can get there.

Ves problem he has no nba skills.