Boxing Thread 3.0

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Post#1321 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Butch718 wrote:Did any of you see the Gennady Golovkin special after the fight? Good stuff. Golovkin had the flu when he beat the crap out of Rosado.

Oh and based off Martinez's last fight with Murray, GGG would most likely beat him if those two were to fight next year. GGG is an absolute monster. The guy hits like light heavyweight.


It was the best two days I have seen. I love seeing the preflight meetings. He looked like death in it in my opinion. I would love to see him vs Ward.
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Post#1322 » by Butch718 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:31 am

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... 6080.story

Juan Manuel Marquez was subjected to skepticism in December when the newly buffed-up multichampion boxer knocked Manny Pacquiao out stone cold, the first time Pacquaio hit the canvas in the pair’s five fights.

Now, Marquez, in advance of his Oct. 12 world welterweight title fight at Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas against Palm Springs’ Timothy Bradley, is due to be subjected to an unspecified number of random drug tests.

There remains, however, some questions about who will preside over the testing.

“I want to prove I’m a clean fighter,” said Marquez (55-6-1, 40 knockouts), who’ll turn 40 on Aug. 23. “Bradley asks for it. I say no problem.”

It also might be a problem for Marquez to ask for another supplemental condition to be inserted into already signed contracts.

Marquez said he wants Bradley (30-0, 12 KOs) to agree not to weigh more than 10 pounds over his Oct. 11 weigh-in weight on fight night.


What Bradley wants to do” (i.e., testing) “is not a rule for the fight and,” a fight-night weight stipulation “is not a rule for the fight,” Marquez said. “If I do it, he should do it. Bradley is too big.”

Bradley became visibly agitated at the suggestion that Marquez would resist testing if Bradley doesn’t abide by a weight condition.

“He’s going to get tested,” Bradley said. “If Marquez doesn’t get tested, then no fight. If I’m doing,” testing by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and the Voluntary Anti-Doping Assn., “then he needs to do both, too.”

Bradley’s wife, Monica, who presides over the details of her husband’s contracts, said the current contracts state USADA and VADA will be involved in testing.


But fight promoter Bob Arum said he wants to tweak that language to make the Nevada State Athletic Commission responsible for overseeing testing, with full blood and the more detailed Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) screening for testosterone used, if necessary.

“Whatever the expense, we’ll pay it,” Arum said of the Nevada involvement. “They’re the regulatory body. If VADA or USADA get a positive, so? But if the regulatory agency does, then they decide what to do with it.”

Arum said he was confident he could ease whatever concern Bradley might have with the change in testing plans, and added he did not intend to insert the weight stipulation.

“Bradley no way will come in 10 pounds heavier,” Arum said. “He’s a natural 140-pounder.”

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Officer Keith Kizer said Arum made the testing request on Monday, and Kizer said Arum’s company must now make a formal request of the commission to proceed.

Before he beat Pacquiao, Marquez was never tested while training in Mexico under the direction of conditioning coach and former BALCO figure Angel “Memo” Heredia. Marquez gave pre- and post-fight urine samples instead on fight week.

Marquez said he would work with Heredia again for this fight as he seeks a fifth weight class world title, unprecedented for a Mexican fighter.

“I work very hard in Mexico,” Marquez said. “It’ll be like the same training camp I had for Pacquiao, except speed is more important for this fight. Speed is most important.”


This whole thing just seems so damn shady.
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Post#1323 » by Butch718 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:51 am

Watching Paulie and Broner vying for Mayweather's attention during the fight was pure comedy. It was like two little kids trying to impress their father.

"Hey look at me Dad! Look what I can do!" :lol:

Anyway, Broner did not look impressive against Mallignagi. He gives away too many rounds because he isn't active enough. Plus he's way too flat footed. Floyd has better footwork at the age of 36 than Broner ever will. Adrien couldn't put away a guy that basically punches like a featherweight. I know Paulie has a great chin and heart but still. Broner did not live up to his hype tonight. In fact Paulie was the fighter that came away with the most respect, and he was the loser.
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Post#1324 » by Em1 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:31 pm

I agree. I came away with a lowered opinion of Broner. Imagine it Paulie could hit? Also his defense is very overrated.


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Post#1325 » by Blame Rasho » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Broner really isn't that good...

He was gifted a W vs PonceDeLeon, and vss Paulie... he looked worse than any other the other fighters that have beaten him.

Cotto beat Paulie to an inch of his life it seemed.
Hatton mauled him down.
Diaz wasn't a loss
Khan just flat out outclassed him

Broner didn't impose his will... and if keeps talking like he is the best then prove it. He isn't a world class fighter. I doubt he finds success vs the top 140 lb and 147 lb fighters given what we have seen.

Next Mayweather..... don't make me laugh....


Mayweather for all the hate his gets fought the very best until the DeLaHoya fight when he became the Kingpin of boxing.
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Post#1326 » by Butch718 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:20 pm

Either Paulie has a great chin(which he does) or Broner's power simply didn't carry over when he moved up in weight. He got in a lot of good clean punches against Paulie last night. But none of those punches really hurt Paulie enough to change the momentum completely his favor. Paulie kept answering back by throwing combinations at Broner's body. He seemed to outwork Broner for the majority of the fight. If Paulie had decent punching power he could have won last night. Right now I don't even see Broner beating guys like Alexander, Guerrero or Matthysse. Hell, even Khan's style would give him trouble. And unlike Paulie, Khan has respectable punching power.

Broner is talking about going back down to 135 or possibly 140. I can't say I blame him either. I think he realized that he has no chance in hell in hanging with the big boys at 147 after last night's performance. He can go back to looking dominant against weaker competition at 135.
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Post#1327 » by Butch718 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:27 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:Cotto beat Paulie to an inch of his life it seemed.
Hatton mauled him down.
Khan just flat out outclassed him


keep in mind too that all those guys beat a better and younger version of Paulie. I know Paulie was game last night being in front of his home crowd, but he simply wasn't the same fighter of his prime youth.
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Post#1328 » by GS Warriors 1 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:56 pm

I didn't get to catch it live as I was out, so I watched it on youtube in Russian a few hours after the fight was finished.

I had Broner winning but he did look lethargic and unimpressive. Also, his power just didn't translate like I thought it would. While Malignaggi does have an excellent chin, there have been other guys who have hurt him pretty bad. I never felt Malignaggi was in much danger last night. He did outbox Broner for the majority of the fight but there were a couple close rounds that went to Broner simply due to clean power punches landed and that was the difference IMO. I thought the 117-111 score for Broner was horrible, to me this was a legit close fight.
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Post#1329 » by ItsDaBrush » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:22 pm

115-113 Malignaggi is the worst scorecard out of the 3, yeah he threw the more punches but landing on Broner's arms and shoulders means nothing. Paulie won 5 rounds tops, I gave him 4
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Post#1330 » by Butch718 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:04 am

I had it 115-113 for Broner.

If Paulie had respectable punching power to at least keep Broner honest, this fight would have been a win for him. It's too bad that he punches like a feather weight though.

Like I said, Broner won the fight, but Paulie won the event. Far more people came away with respect for Paulie's effort than they did for Broner.
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Post#1331 » by ItsDaBrush » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:27 am

Also, Paulie's post fight cry crap is getting annoying now. Against Diaz or this fight he is quick to start calling for change in boxing and what's not right. But when he gets super fortunate decisions for Ngoudjou, Ndou II and Pablo Cano in his last freaking fight he says nothing at all, it's just part of boxing. The icing on the cake was the dig at Al Haymon when Malignaggi was developed by freaking Dibella who got him a shot at Cotto and HBO headliners despite accomplishing nothing. The guy is an enjoyable fighter but his rebel bs is played out now, guy is a product of the business and not a victim like he always tries to play when he loses.

Periban's reaction vs Bika was even more idiotic, I dislike it when guys try to play it like they were robbed blind.
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Post#1332 » by Butch718 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:37 am

I agree that Paulie shouldn't have went there. He wasn't robbed at all. The reason why he lost the fight was because Broner landed the cleaner more effective shots, and that he couldn't land anything of significance in return. That being said he still acquitted himself well in the ring. He did far better than most people expected and made Broner to look real average last night. That's a victory in itself. So he really should stop all the bitching.

And all this trash talk about some girl that they both f*cked was ridiculous. I don't know what self respecting woman would want to be used as a focal point like that. She actually accompanied Broner to one of his press conferences so that she could get under Paulie's skin. I wonder if she appreciated being called out in public for basically being a whore by both fighters.
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Post#1333 » by Em1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:39 pm

Broner's problem is he doesn't make the fight. He let's his opponent frame everything. It will catch up to him.



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Post#1334 » by Butch718 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:52 am

So there are talks about Garcia rematching Judah. :lol: Garcia actually looked shook right after Lucas knocked Peterson out. It actually doesn't surprise me that Heyman and his team are doing all they can to avoid Matthysse altogether.
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Post#1335 » by ItsDaBrush » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:49 am

isn't matthysse a Haymon fighter?
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Post#1336 » by Butch718 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:04 pm

Nope.
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Post#1337 » by GS Warriors 1 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:50 pm

Lucas is with Haymon, he signed with him before the Peterson fight was announced, I believe.
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Post#1338 » by Butch718 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:16 am

My mistake. I still don't think Haymon wants two of his prizes possessions at 140 facing each other ATM. Matthysse would absolutely destroy Garcia. Not good for his pockets. He would rather have Garcia rematch Zab before he puts him in there with Lucas.
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Post#1339 » by ItsDaBrush » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:05 pm

GGG has an awful resume for a 31 year old and 7 year pro veteran with an accomplished amateur career. Proksa was his best win in his career so far and this guy just got completely outclassed by a 33 year old Sergio Mora, Proksa was never in the fight.
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Post#1340 » by Butch718 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Which isn't really his fault. His promoters aren't exactly treating him with kid gloves here. GGG was basically busting his ass trying to make a name for himself in Germany before he finally got his first fight on HBO last year. He was practically unknown to the boxing public before then. The fight against Proksa put him on the map and finally gave him some much needed exposure. Now he's finally getting the chance to face a top 10 middle weight. Oh and until Macklin agreed to fight him, most of the top 10 ranked middle weights have been avoiding him like the plague, and it's pretty obvious why.

If he wins tonight like most expect him to, it only opens up more opportunities for him. HBO is pushing him really hard right now. It's pretty obvious that they want him to be the next big thing.

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