2013 NBA Draft--- 2nd Round Draft Options.

[Nivek]

In YODA, Iverson rates in the 2nd round. Murphy is in "don't draft" territory. Even so, he's a guy I wouldn't mind bringing to summer league and then to training camp if he doesn't get picked. He can really shoot the ball.

Some guys I'd like to draft (or target with a move into the late 1st round):

- Reggie Bullock -- DX has him 24; YODA rates him as a mid-first round pick
- Zeke Marshall -- DX has him undrafted in their latest mock; YODA says he's worth picking in the early 20s
- Nate Wolters -- DX has him as a 2nd rounder; YODA has him in the early 20s
- Ray McCallum -- DX has him going 46th overall; YODA has him in the mid-20s

[Ruzious]

But maybe we get the Ricky Ledo/Norvel Pelle sweep with our late pick or undrafted pick-ups:

If Bojan Dubljevic is gone, I think Pelle might be the best project big with the late 2nd.

Once again: I wish we had a D-League team of our own.

Fwiw, Pelle pulled out of the draft - reportedly because of a foot problem.

[hands11]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/20 ... -prospects

I didnt read the whole thing yet but I saw the videos they posted.

Looks like they are targeting some of the same players some of use like.

Here are the three I was pushing for

Jackie Carmichael, PF, Illinois State (SBNation.com scouting report): He immediately jumps out as someone who could start someday for an NBA team. The scouting report on him looks eerily similar to what was written about Boozer back in 2002. He establishes nice position down low, has soft hands, and displays a nice turnaround jumper over either shoulder. Illinois State used him a lot in the pick and roll game, and had no problem using these sets to free himself up on offense - whether it was via a quick hitting jumper or a roll to the basket. At 23, Jackie doesn't have the upside you'd want, but in a pick and roll heavy league, Carmichael could produce immediately for whoever takes him.


Pierre Jackson, PG, Baylor: Jackson is the prototypical combo guard that I just expounded with Gilbert Arenas. He was the first player since Jason Terry to lead the BCS conference in scoring and assists. He has a compact frame, but packs it with elite explosiveness and quickness. He can get to his spots on the court at will, can pull up and has NBA range on his three ball. He has shown a predilection for doing too much with the ball at times, and defense does serve as his most glaring weakness, but he could become an instant offense threat off the bench for the Wizards.

I've taken a little less interest in him once I got onto Carmichael but Mike will be a nice player off the bench.

Mike Muscala, F/C, Bucknell: He's on NBA radars all year, but really jumped onto the scene after his 25 point, 14 rebound performances against Missouri. Since then, he's had very little trouble navigating through a C.J. McCollum-less Patriot League. There's a chance he creeps into the first round as teams have warmed up on him due to his size and multi-faceted offensive repertoire. He can put the ball on the floor, has good range out to 18 feet and has shown a developed back-to-the-basket game. He's also a plus rebounder and got to the line frequently despite doing most of his work on the perimeter. He doesn't have much upside, but his polish offensively could make him out to be a solid rotational big in this league.

CCJ boy.

Nate Wolters, PG, South Dakota State: He took the country by storm with his scoring, but it was the way he cleverly attacked defenses that has him poised to be a potential third guard on an NBA team. He has a penchant for reacting to how defenses are playing him. He understands angles, sucks in defenses and knows how to get his teammates easy opportunities to score. I generally try to stay away from NBA comparisons, but I liken him a lot to Jeremy Lin, who like Nate is an average athlete that needs to get stronger in order to finish effectively at the rim.

[Dat2U]

Carmichael's numbers look okay to me, I don't see what makes him unique or special from any other 2nd round prospect we've discussed. His efficiency numbers for the level of play aren't awe inspiring and at 23 that's a legit red flag. And it's not like he's an awe inspiring athlete either. I don't buy the Boozer comparisons, unless he's playing against Adriatic League competition. He's just an older prospect, beating up on weaker and younger competition.

[montestewart]

Jackie Carmichael....The scouting report on him looks eerily similar to what was written about Boozer back in 2002.

Pierre Jackson...is the prototypical combo guard that I just expounded with Gilbert Arenas. He was the first player since Jason Terry to lead the BCS conference in scoring and assists.

I generally try to stay away from NBA comparisons

Me too, and in that sense, you and I are a lot like Rajon Rondo.

but I liken him a lot to Jeremy Lin

Gold I tell you, solid gold hands11.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Bojan Dubljevic is gone, I think Pelle might be the best project big with the late 2nd.

Once again: I wish we had a D-League team of our own.

Fwiw, Pelle pulled out of the draft - reportedly because of a foot problem.

Good. I already know Nene is a Wizard. The other nene is a state bird here in Hawaii.

Pelle is pronounced the same as Pele, the goddess who causes volcanoes, according to Hawaiian mythology.

Anthony lava girl???

[gambitx777]

Carmichael's numbers look okay to me, I don't see what makes him unique or special from any other 2nd round prospect we've discussed. His efficiency numbers for the level of play aren't awe inspiring and at 23 that's a legit red flag. And it's not like he's an awe inspiring athlete either. I don't buy the Boozer comparisons, unless he's playing against Adriatic League competition. He's just an older prospect, beating up on weaker and younger competition.

I don't know about that, he had a really good game against LOUISVILLE. i think he could be legit and still has room to grow, he is old but in the second round hes worth the risk. I would not take him in the first though. If he falls to our second second rounder, I take him all day.

[Ruzious]

Carmichael is nowhere near as strong as Boozer was when he was coming out of Duke. Looking at clips of Carmichael, he doesn't look as big as his measurements - I kinda doubt he's going to play big in the NBA. In addition to mediocre shooting efficiency for a big in a small conference, he has a high turnover rate. Combined with his age and being a very late bloomer, he's a big questionmark - worthy of a 2nd rounder but not of a 1st rounder. CCJ's guy, Zeke Marshall, sounds more interesting.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Carmichael's numbers look okay to me, I don't see what makes him unique or special from any other 2nd round prospect we've discussed. His efficiency numbers for the level of play aren't awe inspiring and at 23 that's a legit red flag. And it's not like he's an awe inspiring athlete either. I don't buy the Boozer comparisons, unless he's playing against Adriatic League competition. He's just an older prospect, beating up on weaker and younger competition.

Don't think anyone's claiming he's special, I do think he's unique in the sense that he's a little talked about prospect who fills a need and has qualities ---tangible and intagible---that the Wizards current PF's (Trevor Booker, Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin) don't and there's a real chance he could be available in the second round. Knowing what you do about each player that played PF this past season it's not far-fetched to believe Carmichael could leapfrog them each in rotation. Maybe as early as next season if the team's current PF's don't improve significantly.

What he has over Booker: Size/length, better basketball IQ (at least defensively), jump shot
Vesely: Strength, desire to improve, rebounding, post game, post defense, jump shot
Serpahin: Rebounding, basketball IQ, maturity, range
*Singleton: Only mentioned him because he played a little PF (not a true PF)

I believe Jackie Carmichael would easily become a fan favorite if drafted by the Wizards. Would be a solid draft if the Wizards got both Porter and Carmichael I think.

[gambitx777]

Yeah i think him and guys like Osby Marshall and iverson and all guys we should look at in the back of the second round.

As far as Jackie Carmichael goes. I feel that he could probably be a Lamar Odam type guy off the bench. He can be a nice big scorer off the bench and give us some rebounding in the second unit. I think if he is sitting there in the 50's and some other guys are gone, we take him. Alot of the younger high up side second round big have dropped out of the daft, so i would be fine going older in the second round.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/20/4449022/nba-draft-2013-second-round-prospects

I didnt read the whole thing yet but I saw the videos they posted.

Looks like they are targeting the some of the same players some of use like.

Here are the three I was pushing for

Jackie Carmichael, PF, Illinois State (SBNation.com scouting report): He immediately jumps out as someone who could start someday for an NBA team. The scouting report on him looks eerily similar to what was written about Boozer back in 2002. He establishes nice position down low, has soft hands, and displays a nice turnaround jumper over either shoulder. Illinois State used him a lot in the pick and roll game, and had no problem using these sets to free himself up on offense - whether it was via a quick hitting jumper or a roll to the basket. At 23, Jackie doesn't have the upside you'd want, but in a pick and roll heavy league, Carmichael could produce immediately for whoever takes him.


Pierre Jackson, PG, Baylor: Jackson is the prototypical combo guard that I just expounded with Gilbert Arenas. He was the first player since Jason Terry to lead the BCS conference in scoring and assists. He has a compact frame, but packs it with elite explosiveness and quickness. He can get to his spots on the court at will, can pull up and has NBA range on his three ball. He has shown a predilection for doing too much with the ball at times, and defense does serve as his most glaring weakness, but he could become an instant offense threat off the bench for the Wizards.

I've taken a little less interest in him once I got onto Carmichael but Mike will be a nice player off the bench.

Mike Muscala, F/C, Bucknell: He's on NBA radars all year, but really jumped onto the scene after his 25 point, 14 rebound performances against Missouri. Since then, he's had very little trouble navigating through a C.J. McCollum-less Patriot League. There's a chance he creeps into the first round as teams have warmed up on him due to his size and multi-faceted offensive repertoire. He can put the ball on the floor, has good range out to 18 feet and has shown a developed back-to-the-basket game. He's also a plus rebounder and got to the line frequently despite doing most of his work on the perimeter. He doesn't have much upside, but his polish offensively could make him out to be a solid rotational big in this league.

CCJ boy.

Nate Wolters, PG, South Dakota State: He took the country by storm with his scoring, but it was the way he cleverly attacked defenses that has him poised to be a potential third guard on an NBA team. He has a penchant for reacting to how defenses are playing him. He understands angles, sucks in defenses and knows how to get his teammates easy opportunities to score. I generally try to stay away from NBA comparisons, but I liken him a lot to Jeremy Lin, who like Nate is an average athlete that needs to get stronger in order to finish effectively at the rim.

The Wizards are listening and I am very confident they have considered the right group of guys.

Can't wait until draft night.

I have a real good feeling the Wizards are right on the verge of being a serious, top-3 or 4 eastern seed, with a young core.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

]Carmichael is nowhere near as strong as Boozer was when he was coming out of Duke. Looking at clips of Carmichael, he doesn't look as big as his measurements - I kinda doubt he's going to play big in the NBA. In addition to mediocre shooting efficiency for a big in a small conference, he has a high turnover rate. Combined with his age and being a very late bloomer, he's a big questionmark - worthy of a 2nd rounder but not of a 1st rounder. CCJ's guy, Zeke Marshall, sounds more interesting.

Marshall is going to surprise with his offense.

Here's a good blog report on him. (My blog's coming soon.)

http://www.nbadraftblog.com/2013-scouti ... shall.html

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

]Carmichael is nowhere near as strong as Boozer was when he was coming out of Duke. Looking at clips of Carmichael, he doesn't look as big as his measurements - I kinda doubt he's going to play big in the NBA. In addition to mediocre shooting efficiency for a big in a small conference, he has a high turnover rate. Combined with his age and being a very late bloomer, he's a big questionmark - worthy of a 2nd rounder but not of a 1st rounder. CCJ's guy, Zeke Marshall, sounds more interesting.

Marshall is going to surprise with his offense.

Here's a good blog report on him. (My blog's coming soon.)

http://www.nbadraftblog.com/2013-scouti ... shall.html

I think he can be about as effective on offense as a raw JaVale McGee; I think he's better at shooting the ball than McGee though.

[hands11]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/20/4449022/nba-draft-2013-second-round-prospects

I didnt read the whole thing yet but I saw the videos they posted.

Looks like they are targeting the some of the same players some of use like.

Here are the three I was pushing for

Jackie Carmichael, PF, Illinois State (SBNation.com scouting report): He immediately jumps out as someone who could start someday for an NBA team. The scouting report on him looks eerily similar to what was written about Boozer back in 2002. He establishes nice position down low, has soft hands, and displays a nice turnaround jumper over either shoulder. Illinois State used him a lot in the pick and roll game, and had no problem using these sets to free himself up on offense - whether it was via a quick hitting jumper or a roll to the basket. At 23, Jackie doesn't have the upside you'd want, but in a pick and roll heavy league, Carmichael could produce immediately for whoever takes him.


Pierre Jackson, PG, Baylor: Jackson is the prototypical combo guard that I just expounded with Gilbert Arenas. He was the first player since Jason Terry to lead the BCS conference in scoring and assists. He has a compact frame, but packs it with elite explosiveness and quickness. He can get to his spots on the court at will, can pull up and has NBA range on his three ball. He has shown a predilection for doing too much with the ball at times, and defense does serve as his most glaring weakness, but he could become an instant offense threat off the bench for the Wizards.

I've taken a little less interest in him once I got onto Carmichael but Mike will be a nice player off the bench.

Mike Muscala, F/C, Bucknell: He's on NBA radars all year, but really jumped onto the scene after his 25 point, 14 rebound performances against Missouri. Since then, he's had very little trouble navigating through a C.J. McCollum-less Patriot League. There's a chance he creeps into the first round as teams have warmed up on him due to his size and multi-faceted offensive repertoire. He can put the ball on the floor, has good range out to 18 feet and has shown a developed back-to-the-basket game. He's also a plus rebounder and got to the line frequently despite doing most of his work on the perimeter. He doesn't have much upside, but his polish offensively could make him out to be a solid rotational big in this league.

CCJ boy.

Nate Wolters, PG, South Dakota State: He took the country by storm with his scoring, but it was the way he cleverly attacked defenses that has him poised to be a potential third guard on an NBA team. He has a penchant for reacting to how defenses are playing him. He understands angles, sucks in defenses and knows how to get his teammates easy opportunities to score. I generally try to stay away from NBA comparisons, but I liken him a lot to Jeremy Lin, who like Nate is an average athlete that needs to get stronger in order to finish effectively at the rim.

The Wizards are listening and I am very confident they have considered the right group of guys.

Can't wait until draft night.

I have a real good feeling the Wizards are right on the verge of being a serious, top-3 or 4 eastern seed, with a young core.

I think we are in the minority here CCJ. Of course, it will depend on a lot of factors like health and what other team do for moves, but yeah, they could be there.

One thing to keep in mind is Wall. If he really did turn the corner like it looked like he did, then thats a game changer. We would now be in a position where teams would have to adjust to us finally. He was doing it all. Playing both offense and defense. Passing and scoring. And getting to the line a ton which is huge.

Add Beal lighting it up to that and they can be a handful for teams to deal with. We are talking teams needing to game plan to them and that start to open up lots of opportunities for other players. If Nene simply returns healthy, thats legit.

We finally have legit two man game that can initiate the offense with two young studs. It was just the year before that Wall would routinely get outplayed by the other teams PG. Flip that to him winning those match ups is a game changer.

This could be a huge break out year for Wall and Beal. Regardless of who we draft, the real story for next year will be centered around those two.

Wall finished the last two month averaging 21 pts 7.8 assists 4.7 rbs, 1.5 stls, 7.2 FTA
Beal 1/1/13 to 3/31/13 29 was 15.8 pts, .492 from 3, .463 FG, 2.4 assists, 3.9 rbs, 0.9 stls, 2.7 FTA

Wall also posted a 47 pt game against MEM, 37 against IND. Both down the stretch. Both wins.
Beals season high was only 29 pts. That young man is just getting started.

And keep in mind, as Wall was ramping up getting healthy, Beal was injured. They didn't get to play a ton with each other last year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That worked out for the tank to 8th-worst record, which on lottery night luckily turned into the third pick overall. Washington is picking third but they are way better than third-worst in the league.

Trading down could complete the transformation to Washington being competitive. Trading down to 9 puts them where they would have drafted. It also gives the a chance to shuffle the roster by adding quality players (including picks and veterans) while removing players best traded away. Addition by subtraction while adding fresh faces is a great way to transform the team.

[rockymac52]

Can we talk about Phil Pressey real quick? Obviously there's a good chance that we draft a PG with one of our 2nd round picks, and this year there's a solid handful of about 8 guys that might be on the board at 38 and would fill that need. However, Pressey tends to be on the lower end of that group, projecting to be taken in the 50s or possibly go undrafted. That means it'd likely be a stretch to take him at 38, but he could realistically be available at 54, allowing us to trade the 38th pick, draft and stash, or take a big man there.

Before I dive into it, I have to establish that I am somewhat biased, because I went to Mizzou for Phil's first 2 years, and I always think it'd be fun to see the Wizards draft a Mizzou player. However, it's worth noting that my bias with Pressey might actually work against him. Yes, I've seen him at his very best, and I am fully aware of all of the spectacular things he is capable of doing with a basketball, but on the other hand, I also am very aware of his weaknesses, many of which became evident this past season when he was thrust into an even bigger role, and for the most part, he failed.

For what it's worth, whenever Pressey was mentioned in the last 2 years on this board, I think I was pretty consistent in evaluating him, noting that he has considerable upside, but that he's got some serious flaws that led him to be overrated, and I was skeptical of his future NBA potential. After this disastrous junior season this past year, he fell from projected late 1st round pick, to projected late 2nd round pick/undrafted. It became pointless to really analyze him, and as such, most of you have stopped talking about him as well. But recently I came across a highlight video of Pressey that got me somewhat nostalgic, reliving all of the great things he's done in the last three years, and so I decided it was only fair that I reconsider him and give him a fair evaluation one last time.

Now that I've given him a second look, I'm more torn than ever. As a whole, he has his flaws, and I don't think he's going to become a star PG at the next level or anything like that. But I do believe that he could be overlooked this year, and as such, might be a solid option for us going forward. I think taking him at 38 is too much still, and he'd be a better pick at 54 if he's still available.

To his credit, Pressey was the starting PG that led one of the all-time most efficient offenses in college basketball in the 2012 Mizzou Tigers. However, Pressey was in many ways the one guy who was holding them back from being even more dominant offensively. This was in large part the result of a high turnover rate, and inexplicably inefficient transition possessions. Pressey passes the eye test in large part, in fact, he often showcases his elite ball-handling and passing skills, and he can appear very very promising to the untrained eye, as he did as a sophomore on that 2012 Mizzou team, leading to the designation of pre-season SEC Player of the Year last season. He got a little too much credit for that team's success, and his flaws were widely overlooked, partly because he passed the eye test so damn well. Seriously, check out some of his highlight reels on YouTube if you want to be wow-ed.

As far as how good he actually is/can be, there's a bit of a mixed bag. There's no denying that he's going to have issues defensively at the next level. That is pretty much a given for a 5'9" PG. However, there's also no denying that he gets after it defensively, and shows a lot of the skills you want to see in a great on-ball defender. But he had these skills in college, and even then, his lack of size proved to be a serious issue, especially on defense. As a result, it's pretty safe to say that he's going to be a liability defensively in the NBA.

However, his offense might be able to make up for that. His biggest criticism offensively is probably his turnovers, especially late in the game in crucial "clutch" situations. However, let's be real, as long as John Wall is still breathing, Pressey wouldn't be seeing any late-game minutes other than in blowouts, so his late-game turnovers wouldn't really be an issue. I don't have any facts to support the notion that his turnover rate increased substantially in late-game situations though, so I can't say for sure that it will matter. Even if his turnover rate is high regardless of the situation, that's not a good thing, but it's something that can improve over time.

He was also often criticized for his lack of a jump shot, but I think those criticisms are wildly off base. He had one of the most efficient mid-range jumpers in all of the NCAA, scoring .96 PPP (86th percentile). He wasn't nearly as efficient from 3, but the good news is that the 3 point shot will still be a legitimate threat in the NBA, because the kid can shoot from anywhere in the gym. He frequently pulled up (inexplicably, and to the annoyance of the fan base) from DEEP, well beyond the college 3 point line, and he sunk these shots with ease at times throughout his college career. So while his efficiency from 3 pointers might leave a little to be desired, at least he is capable of making 3s from the NBA line, and it would be reasonable to believe his efficiency on his long-range jumper could improve over time.

With Pressey, I see a viable option for our backup PG. Not a sure thing, but a guy I'd be happy to take a flyer on (which, with the 54th pick, we'd essentially be doing). I see a guy with a great mid-range jumper, a capable 3 point jumper, a guy who can score off the dribble, and a guy who can excel in the pick and roll game. The way he weaves in and out of the pick and roll reminds me of Tony Parker. That's where his elite ball-handling and passing skills really come into play. He also sees the court very well, and will rocket passes through the defense to find open shooters that you didn't even realize were there. He was also a great spot up shooter when he played off the ball, in a limited capacity. I can see him blossoming into that spark plug PG off the bench type role. He has shown an ability to be both a pass-first and shoot-first PG, and I like that flexibility going forward. It makes him a legitimate threat to opposing defenses.

There's also something to be said about his teammate's efficiency numbers with him at the point. They've been phenomenal. Kim English, Marcus Denmon, RiCardo Ratliffe, Mike Dixon, Laurence Bowers, and Alex Oriakhi all posted truly elite offensive efficiencies with Pressey at PG. That's not necessarily the result of Pressey's presence, but it might be.

I know I haven't really done a great job at selling him here, as I've focused on a lot of his weaknesses, but I hope you guys give him a look and let me know what you think. If we don't draft a PG at 38, I'd like to see us take a flyer on Pressey at 54 (or as an undrafted FA, if that's how it goes down).

[rockymac52]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MstX9ME_lMk

There's a collection of Pressey's highlights from this past season. Yes, the first two minutes are all from the game against UCLA, but that'll happen when you put up 19 points and 19 assists.

[Knighthonor]

For some decent backup players, maybe a combo guard to back up Wall and Beal off the bench, and a more skilled backup C/PF . Because that's where the wizard need depth at. If KS doesn't develop some extra skills, than he has to be a third. But I have faith in KS a bit.

[Ruzious]

Rocky, I think Pressey would be a great pick at 54. When he's on, he's spectacular. And if he'd just develop a somewhat consistent 3 point shot, he'd be a good backup - even with the up and down decision-making. I also like Myck Kabongo - if he slips - another spectacular passer who doesn't shoot well and takes too many chances. Pressey's quicker, while Myck is much longer.

[rockymac52]

Rocky, I think Pressey would be a great pick at 54. When he's on, he's spectacular. And if he'd just develop a somewhat consistent 3 point shot, he'd be a good backup - even with the up and down decision-making. I also like Myck Kabongo - if he slips - another spectacular passer who doesn't shoot well and takes too many chances. Pressey's quicker, while Myck is much longer.

Agreed. Kabongo is another guy I've had my eyes on. The mock drafts seem to indicate that Pressey and Kabongo are clearly a tier behind the likes of Jackson, Wolters, and Canaan.