Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition)

[Neon1]

My problem isn't his weight. I just don't wanna draft a guy at #2 who is really only a defensive player. There are other guys in the draft who can block shots. His injury sucked big time cause I was really looking forward to watching his offensive improvements throughout the year.

I'm very surprised at this assessment coming from you. I know you pay way more attention to detail then to categorize him as simply "can block shots". The guy does far more then that and had far more defensive impact then a guy that just "blocked shots".

If that is an actual assessment from you id ask you to actually watch him again and see if your assessment stays the same. If you really spent the time studying him like I know you do everyone else, you would brush it off as "he can block shots".

His Defense 3:25-7:00
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3ZFRmXo08[/youtube]

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

[Orlando Prodigy]

Some of you armchair scouts are ridiculous lol. Noel isn't even my favorite prospect this year but you're lying if you say he doesn't have the most potential in this draft

[Neon1]

However, it is worth noting that Noel's game will make him more injury prone. Feels weird having a guy's athletic ability as a potential negative though.

Look here everybody....an actual concern that actually has MERIT. Thank you so much, Mr jgosche.

[Noonskadoodle]

My problem isn't his weight. I just don't wanna draft a guy at #2 who is really only a defensive player. There are other guys in the draft who can block shots. His injury sucked big time cause I was really looking forward to watching his offensive improvements throughout the year.

I'm very surprised at this assessment coming from you. I know you pay way more attention to detail then to categorize him as simply "can block shots". The guy does far more then that and had far more defensive impact then a guy that just "blocked shots".

If that is an actual assessment from you id ask you to actually watch him again and see if your assessment stays the same. If you really spent the time studying him like I know you do everyone else, you would brush it off as "he can block shots".

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

Oh I know he does much more on the defensive end, I didn't say all HE does is block shots, I said there are other guys in the draft who can block shots who you don't have to use the #2 on.

My reservations against him is that at #2 overall I really don't want a guy who only impacts one end of the floor. I know he has the ability to become very very good defensively.

Watching him he has great instincts at staying down & not going for every head fake & that impressed the heck outta me. Cause most guys who block shots jump at everything. He will benefit from the NBA going smaller these days, because another concern I had was with him banging inside against these grown *** men that he will have to bang inside with. No more being able to camp in the lane as much as he used to with the no 3 secs on D in college.

[Orlando Prodigy]

You do know he will be a PF in the NBA, right?

[RYgoBOOM]

However, it is worth noting that Noel's game will make him more injury prone. Feels weird having a guy's athletic ability as a potential negative though.

Look here everybody....an actual concern that actually has MERIT. Thank you so much, Mr jgosche.

A.I's play style made him pretty injury prone too.....10/10 times i still take A.I though lol.

I think he will be fine as long as he doesn't go superman mode and try a million chase downs lol

[MellowRose]

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

Getting Noel over any other top prospect is like saying " I don't want a perfectly healthy player who has no history of serious injury. Instead, I want someone who has had a record of multiple serious injuries."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDe79qY6CSw[/youtube]

[jgosche]

However, it is worth noting that Noel's game will make him more injury prone. Feels weird having a guy's athletic ability as a potential negative though.

Look here everybody....an actual concern that actually has MERIT. Thank you so much, Mr jgosche.

But really, everybody knows the main concern about Noel is his haircut. Hi-top fades just have "hoodlum without work ethic" written all over them.

[BadMofoPimp]

To those that think Nerlens can only block shots... Well, they clearly didnt watch one Kentucky game this year. He's a defensive juggernaut. And his legs will get bigger. Hard to squat after an ACL injury... Give him a year or two to bulk up like Dwight did and then judge

Would i be 100% accurate if I were to say that he will continue on to be a defensive juggernaut on the NBA level against the likes of Howard, Bynum, and other superb physical specimens?

The guy that can't walk?

Niehter can Noel!?!?!?!

[TDJacksonville]

How can people bring up him being skinny when their are guys like Kevin Durant running train on the NBA?

Garnett? Keon Clark? Jeremy Evans?

So many skinny guys that didn't fall apart due to injury. To me he seems more like a wirey strong than a rail skinny with no muscle.

Kevin durant is a 6-10/6-11 SF. Noel is a PF/C.

You'd like your #2 overall pick to be a Keon Clark or Jeremy Evans? Really?

You really took that I wanted them to turn out like either of those 2 guys out of all that I said?



I am comparing body sizes and looks.........

you should with Regards to their Position. i mean Noel is going to be a BIG. he isnt going to be some SF/SG. hes pretty much locked in as a BIG. he is Skinny and not so big where it matters.

[Noonskadoodle]

You do know he will be a PF in the NBA, right?

Power Forwards: Average size was 6'10", 245 lbs

Centers: Average size was 6'11", 253 lbs.

Not a great difference at each position these days.

[Orlando Prodigy]

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

Getting Noel over any other top prospect is like saying " I don't want a perfectly healthy player who has no history of serious injury. Instead, I want someone who has had a record of multiple serious injuries."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDe79qY6CSw[/youtube]

What a dumb ass statement lol no offense

It's more like saying "we'll take the guy who has had ONE serious injury, because his recovery is going perfect and he has more potential than everyone else in the draft"

[I Rasharted]

I love how the draft is almost here and no one has a clue what's going to happen. Thursday's gonna be interesting.

[Orlando Prodigy]

I love Oladipo but he has a TERRIBLE offensive game yet some of you would make love to him if you had the chance. And that's coming from me who would still draft him and watched Indiana the past few years

[Neon1]

Oh I know he does much more on the defensive end, I didn't say all HE does is block shots, I said there are other guys in the draft who can block shots who you don't have to use the #2 on.

My reservations against him is that at #2 overall I really don't want a guy who only impacts one end of the floor. I know he has the ability to become very very good defensively.

Watching him he has great instincts at staying down & not going for every head fake & that impressed the heck outta me. Cause most guys who block shots jump at everything. He will benefit from the NBA going smaller these days, because another concern I had was with him banging inside against these grown *** men that he will have to bang inside with. No more being able to camp in the lane as much as he used to with the no 3 secs on D in college.

He has the potential to singlehandedly take your team leaps and bounds upwards in defense ratings and Defensive EFF. THAT is the type of impact a player like Dwight gave us on that end of the floor.

That is what is called a game changer, and he looks to be the only game changing presence in this entire draft. That is impact. Maybe it's not the pretty impact we like to see with flashy dunks, threes, and offense, but he above all players in this draft make the biggest singlehanded IMPACT.

[Orlando Prodigy]

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

Getting Noel over any other top prospect is like saying " I don't want a perfectly healthy player who has no history of serious injury. Instead, I want someone who has had a record of multiple serious injuries."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDe79qY6CSw[/youtube]

Your profile says you support Rose 100%. I'm sure you'd still take him ten times out of ten. Don't be hypocritical.

[Skin]

Some of you armchair scouts are ridiculous lol. Noel isn't even my favorite prospect this year but you're lying if you say he doesn't have the most potential in this draft

Are you not an armchair scout? If not, what separates your opinion?

I'll tell you why Noel doesn't have the most potential in this draft. His offensive potential is poor. His injury history is a risk. His body has a lot of growth to do.

That opinion you have about potential.... it gets guys fired.

I'll tell you what I believe. I believe potential is only realized when you have a player willing to put in the work to get there. So intangibles like character, motor, intelligence, background, values.... all of which are not easily or impossible to measure carry a lot of weight in my evaluation of prospects. Stat junkies don't like this. They would much rather latch on to a sparkling 3pt % and dunk highlights to form their opinions.

[MellowRose]

Saying you can just get another guy that blocks shots is like saying "I don't want ray Allen, we have JJ Redick or Kyle Korver who can *hit threes*.

Getting Noel over any other top prospect is like saying " I don't want a perfectly healthy player who has no history of serious injury. Instead, I want someone who has had a record of multiple serious injuries."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDe79qY6CSw[/youtube]

Your profile says you support Rose 100%. I'm sure you'd still take him ten times out of ten. Don't be hypocritical.

Rose is a proven super-star. Noel is not.

Coming out of college Rose didn't have any serious injury issues. Noel has a RECORD of SERIOUS injuries.

Don't see anything "hypocritical" about my philosophy here.

[Blue_and_Whte]

People need to stop. Noel is skinny as hell and Burke is small and the existence of players that resemble them dont change that fact. There are concerns about his frame and the ability to put on weight and they're legit concerns. The dude gets pushed around alot, and he's a putrid offensive player. He can't back people down at the college level and he has no jumper shot, (although it's obvious that he's working on it.) He should not try to score in the NBA unless it's put backs and thats without taking into consideration FT's.

At the same time his defensive abilities are undeniable and one could say one in a lifetime so does that alone make him BPA? He has to be the most difficult to figure out.

[Orlando Prodigy]

Some of you armchair scouts are ridiculous lol. Noel isn't even my favorite prospect this year but you're lying if you say he doesn't have the most potential in this draft

Are you not an armchair scout? If not, what separates your opinion?

I'll tell you why Noel doesn't have the most potential in this draft. His offensive potential is poor. His injury history is a risk. His body has a lot of growth to do.

That opinion you have about potential.... it gets guys fired.

I'll tell you what I believe. I believe potential is only realized when you have a player willing to put in the work to get there. So intangibles like character, motor, intelligence, background, values.... all of which are not easily or impossible to measure carry a lot of weight in my evaluation of prospects. Stat junkies don't like this. They would much rather latch on to a sparkling 3pt % and dunk highlights to form their opinions.

Never said I wasn't an armchair scout. Just saying some of you guys have ridiculous opinions. Dwight had a horrible offensive game too. Or are we forgetting all of those years?