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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1221 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:28 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
Woody Ball wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?


Very small, IMO. Not a great shooter (yet) and not a great slasher. The former will matter when you're building around a slashing point guard. The latter would be helpful to make him an elite guy, but it's not a precursor to being a very good player.

So any ideas for the best way to develop him to fit a long term wizard's goal? Thing he a future branch player or could be a key future starter?


Either. That's the beauty of it. He probably wouldn't start as a rookie, especially if we re-sign Webster and keep Ariza, which I expect will be the case. But he's definitely an option to become the starter if he earns it, either later this season, or several years down the line.

If Porter develops into a more ball dominant offensive option, then I think it's very possible that we keep him on the bench, or move Beal to the bench, so one of them could serve in the Ginobili/Harden 6th man role. No need to have all 3 on the court at the same time for long stretches. But that's only if Porter really takes that next step. If he's more of a Tayshaun Prince role player type, then he could start or come off the bench.
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Post#1222 » by dobrojim » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:31 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
tontoz wrote:

Might i suggest the filter?


my thinking was leading me in that direction...

Sure, but I said the same thing about the Honest trade, and look were it landed the wizards this year. But oh we'll, some people come to a forum but only want to hear people repeating things they believe in. No biggy


for the record you said you expected this crazy conspiracy to happen...for us to agree to
a horrible trade because then Stern (who's retiring IIRC) would give us the #1#1 in a franchise player year.

That's what you said you expected.

well, for one thing, if you believe that, then you should be in favor of it happening.
Sub-optimal for one year, then sky's the limit after that as far as the Wizards go.

But just thinking about why I might come here, it's to read the opinions of
generally knowledgeable people about something I'm interested in.
It's not that I mind reading well supported opinion that may not exactly mirror my own,
but you're like the guy on the corner selling/giving away newspapers proclaiming...IDK,
end of the world or like the LaRouchers claiming the queen of England was a drug dealer.
It's irrational fantasy generally brought forth with essentially no foundation as to how
or why something that outrageous could happen. A little more reality might go a long way.

It's like the end timers...if you really believe that stuff, then I would think your actual
behavior would reflect it to a greater degree....spend borrowed money like crazy since
you won't be having to pay it back. Stuff like that.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1223 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:38 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Again, if EG does something stupid in the draft its usually for a good reason, especially of the team that is benefiting from it is one of the teams in Stern's favor.

I expect number1 pick 2014 handed to the Wizards for helping Stern's team in favor of the year.
Aka Wizards get top three pick at least.


It is awesomely ironic to see someone be so naive as to believe in something so cynical.

Sorry for the awkward sentence.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but when has the NBA draft not had red flags of being rigged in shady ways.

Gil gun ==Number 1 Wall pick.
LeBane James== cav 1 pick.

Know I am not the only person that see these rigged patterns. Google it. NBA trying to deal the Hornets, they get top pick, and EG helps them with cap space and wins lotto the following year. Maybe those aren't connected, but maybe they are as well tho. Just saying.

Seem more naive to dismiss it without evidence that they don't do shady deals like this in the NBA. Can you prove they don't?


What rigged patterns? Why did Gun-gate trump the Decision? Why would Stern allow the Clippers - an LA market team trade away their 1st round pick to Cleveland - a city with 10% of the population of LA - and allow that pick to later become Kyrie Irving... then gift them the #4 pick as well.

The lack of "patterns" aside, the very fact that teams know that picks are rigged and go along with it is insane. The Knicks haven't had a #1 overall since Ewing in 1985. The Hawks haven't had a #1 overall since 1975. The Celtics haven't had a #1 overall since 1950. You think they're cool with the idea that Stern just gave Cleveland 3 number 1 picks in the last 10 years? I guess the "narrative" of Cleveland sports is more important than the #1, #7, and #8 media markets in the US. (DC is 9th, Cleveland 18th). San Antonio, OKC, and New Orleans are the 37th, 45th, and 52nd largest markets respectively and all 3 have had #1 picks more recent than New York. What a crazy conspiracy.

This doesn't even begin to implicate the legal ramifications of collusion that Stern faces or even the physical barriers that prevent actual rigging of a ping pong ball lottery selector.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1224 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:39 pm

rockymac52 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
Woody Ball wrote:
Very small, IMO. Not a great shooter (yet) and not a great slasher. The former will matter when you're building around a slashing point guard. The latter would be helpful to make him an elite guy, but it's not a precursor to being a very good player.

So any ideas for the best way to develop him to fit a long term wizard's goal? Thing he a future branch player or could be a key future starter?


Either. That's the beauty of it. He probably wouldn't start as a rookie, especially if we re-sign Webster and keep Ariza, which I expect will be the case. But he's definitely an option to become the starter if he earns it, either later this season, or several years down the line.

If Porter develops into a more ball dominant offensive option, then I think it's very possible that we keep him on the bench, or move Beal to the bench, so one of them could serve in the Ginobili/Harden 6th man role. No need to have all 3 on the court at the same time for long stretches. But that's only if Porter really takes that next step. If he's more of a Tayshaun Prince role player type, then he could start or come off the bench.

Ok. Could work if OP develops an offensive game.
He grew over the time, but how much more growing in skill is there for him? I concern if this was a fluke. Same concern about Ariza and Webster honestly.
But anyway, what positions you believe porter would be able to play in the NBA? Only SF?
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Post#1225 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:41 pm

I see Porter's weaknesses as:

- Lacks explosiveness, somewhat grounded, plays entirely below the rim.
- Very slender legs, has trouble finishing through contact.
- Not very quick, gathers himself to change directions, looks a little awkward running in the open court. Mediocre first step. Lateral movement might be an issue defending slashers.
- Awkward shooting mechanics limit his ceiling as a shooter, it would be very difficult and dangerous to try and change it at this point though IMO.
- Doesn't shoot well off the dribble.
- Is an awkward ball handler in general. Probably never going to be a quality slasher.

Most of Porter's weaknesses stem from him lacking the athleticism that top five picks traditionally have. He's got excellent height and length, but those are about the only physical attributes he has that won't be below average for his position.

His shooting with his feet set this season was very reliable. But his bad shooting mechanics keep me from feeling totally confident he'll be a knock down shooter in the NBA.

I think his ceiling as a scorer is somewhat limited because of those two reasons. The slashing is just never going to be a big part of his game. He's never going to be someone who regularly gets all of the way to the rim. But if he can get stronger to finish through contact better and turn his ability to shoot off the dribble into a strength, he can be a potent scorer anyway. He'll be like Beal, someone who can get his within the flow of the offense and do some secondary creation when the offense starts to stagnate.
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Post#1226 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:44 pm

W. Unseld wrote:Interesting non-Deng commentary from http://www.grantland.com:

No matter what roles Wall or Beal played (both came off the bench for a few games), the Wizards posted a point differential of plus-4.84, the equivalent of a 55-win team over a full season. And though a 25-game stretch isn’t something Washington can hang its hat on, it’s certainly an encouraging sign. That trio, combined with Nene and Emeka Okafor, also combined to form the league's most effective five-man unit that played at least 140 minutes together, per NBA.com.

Unlike some of the more desperate teams, Washington doesn’t necessarily need to hit a home run at the top of the draft, but to break through from mid-standings irrelevance, the Wizards probably have to avoid coming up empty. If the team can get an impact player with the third pick while also finding a competent backup point guard with one of its second-round picks, the Wizards have the opportunity to completely change the course of their franchise. No pressure, right?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -nba-draft


This just made me realize something. I knew this before, but I guess this is the first time I'm really analyzing the potential implications...

So we have this lineup of Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor that has been VERY VERY good. But, if we draft Porter (as most suspect), and re-sign Webster (as most suspect), how are the minutes divided? We've talked about this plenty before, and it's clear that there's a way to divide the minutes between Webster/Porter/Ariza, with all 3 players getting 20-26 MPG. But most of those scenarios involved Ariza/Porter sliding to be a small ball 4 at times, but mainly, for Webster to get most of his minutes as the backup SG.

Now, that works out, and makes sense, BUT, what does it mean for that killer starting lineup that we already have with Webster at the 3? Do we just abandon it? Do we only run with that group for 5-10 minutes per game tops? I'm concerned we'll just abandon that 5 man lineup for the most part, with Ariza/Porter subbing in there for Webster. That lineup should be pretty good too, although I don't think it will be AS GOOD as it was with Webster there instead spacing the floor and shooting lights out from the corner 3.

Worth considering...
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Post#1227 » by jivelikenice » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:44 pm

RockyMac...Do you really think Martell re-signs with Otto and Ariza on the roster? I doubt it unless we offer way more than anyone else. Why would he come hear to split the SF position with three guys? I think we trade Ariza and still re-sign Martell but I think its unrealistic to assume we keep all three considering our holes at stretch 4 and 3rd guard who can score....Plus this FO has already agreed to trade Ariza once before.
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Post#1228 » by Dark Faze » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:45 pm

Knighthonor wrote:@pro porter community, what are his liabilities for the Wizards?


Not better than Webster or Ariza at what they do best (defense, stretching floor with shooting), will have to learn how to defend the athletes at this level (though this is something everyone goes through), not going to be a guy who can create his own shot consistently in the beginning of his tenure here.

He'll get stronger and give us the best young defensive core in the league though, maybe closely matched by Charlotte if they have a Dipo/MKG combo.

I expect eventually he'll basically be the best of both worlds between Webster and Ariza--a healthy guy who makes smart, efficient plays while being able to stretch the floor like Webster while defending and getting out in transition like Ariza.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1229 » by Knighthonor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:45 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I see Porter's weaknesses as:

- Lacks explosiveness, somewhat grounded, plays entirely below the rim.
- Very slender legs, has trouble finishing through contact.
- Not very quick, gathers himself to change directions, looks a little awkward running in the open court. Mediocre first step. Lateral movement might be an issue defending slashers.
- Awkward shooting mechanics limit his ceiling as a shooter, it would be very difficult and dangerous to try and change it at this point though IMO.
- Doesn't shoot well off the dribble.
- Is an awkward ball handler in general. Probably never going to be a quality slasher.

Most of Porter's weaknesses stem from him lacking the athleticism that top five picks traditionally have. He's got excellent height and length, but those are about the only physical attributes he has that won't be below average for his position.

His shooting with his feet set this season was very reliable. But his bad shooting mechanics keep me from feeling totally confident he'll be a knock down shooter in the NBA.

I think his ceiling as a scorer is somewhat limited because of those two reasons. The slashing is just never going to be a big part of his game. He's never going to be someone who regularly gets all of the way to the rim. But if he can get stronger to finish through contact better and turn his ability to shoot off the dribble into a strength, he can be a potent scorer anyway. He'll be like Beal, someone who can get his within the flow of the offense and do some secondary creation when the offense starts to stagnate.

Well yeah and Beal was also sort of like this.

So his assists, how will they out weigh these? Although it seems he is getting criticism for his shooting, I must admit he did shoot well.
What's about his off the ball skills that can make Beal/Wall better at what they do best?

And on Defense, how will he add?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1230 » by fishercob » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:47 pm

I have a lot of respect for the work that Kevin Pelton does over at ESPN Insider.

Here is his latest piece and draft rankings.

Over the last four days leading up to the NBA draft, you're going to see a lot of numbers, some of them more important than others when it comes to predicting how players in their teens and early 20s will ultimately perform in the NBA. The most meaningful might be a simple one -- age.

No matter how you study the history of the draft, the results are clear: Younger players end up faring better than older ones. Even during their first seasons, younger rookies develop more compared to their college performance than older ones, a gap that grows as they continue to progress toward their peak.

Age isn't the most important factor in projecting NBA success -- how players have performed in the past is still more important -- but because we're comparing prospects at different stages of the development process, we can really only understand that performance in the context of age. That's the fundamental truth on which my draft projections are built.

I start by translating a player's college statistics to their NBA equivalents. That produces a per-minute rating, player win% (equivalent to PER), that projects how we can expect rookies to perform in the NBA next season. By adding age, I come up with a projection of how many Wins Above Replacement Player (WARP), on average, prospects will produce over their first five years -- the amount of time teams control a first-round pick between the four-year rookie contract and one year as a restricted free agent.

As with any statistical projection, the results are far from perfect. There's too much uncertainty about how any individual will develop to tell the difference between prospects whose projections are decimal points apart. But larger differences can be meaningful indicators of over- or undervalued players.

For more details on the process, as well as past draft ratings, check out the companion piece on Tuesday. If you just want this year's results, keep reading. I've ranked the NCAA players and a handful of international prospects among Chad Ford's top 30 based on their WARP projections, as well as the top 10 players outside this group who look like second-round steals.


Here are the rankings.

1. Noel
2. Porter
3. Caldwell-Pope
4. Zeller
5. McCollum
6. Lucas Nogueira
7. Burke
8. Bennett
9. Carter-Williams
10. Karasev
11. Adams
12. Rice
13. Larkin
14. Mitchell
15. Crabbe
16. Olynyk
17. Oladipo
18. Mclemore
19. Bullock
20. Canaan
21. Franklin
22. Hardaway
23. Len
24. Dieng
25. Snell
26. Plumlee
27. Muhammaed

No rankings b/c of lack sufficient data for Schroeder, Antetokounmpo and Ledo.

His second round steals feature names we have discussed here -- Wolters, Muscala, doc's guy Kazemi

Here are his snippets on a few of the guys who are ranked significantly above or below where the typical mocks and rankings have them or are otherwise noteworthy:

Noel (about whom I have expressed doubts):
Noel's WARP projection is a little on the low side for a No. 1 pick, but would have put him second behind Kentucky predecessor Anthony Davis in last year's draft. Noel's defensive potential is immense. In addition to the second-best translated block rate of anyone in the draft (only Jeff Withey rates better), Noel also generates a high number of steals for a post player. He joins three post players in my database with translated steal percentages of 2.0 or better: DeJuan Blair, Kenneth Faried and Greg Monroe. That's important because steal rate tends to be an indicator of quickness that translates at the NBA level.


Porter:
Given Noel's injury, Porter might be the surest thing in this year's draft. The Big East Player of the Year rates well across the board; his only statistical weakness (a category in which he's in the bottom 25 percent of past players at his position entering the NBA) is usage rate. Note that Porter, despite playing two years at Georgetown, is younger than freshmen Anthony Bennett and Shabazz Muhammad.


Noguieria:
For European players who played in the Spanish ACB, the best domestic league, or the continental Euroleague and EuroCup competitions, the translation process is the same except it involves players going both to and from the NBA. "Bebe" put up solid stats playing against grown-ups in the ACB. He blocked shots more frequently than Serge Ibaka did in the same league and projects to make nearly 55 percent of his 2-point shots.


Oladipo:
More than any other prospect, Oladipo is hurt by the emphasis on previous years. Based just on his junior year, Oladipo's WARP projection would crack the top 10. He was much less effective on offense his first two seasons, which has historically proven more indicative of NBA potential. Oladipo will be an impact defender either way, but he needs to contribute offensively to justify a top-five pick.


Mclemore:
McLemore's statistical profile reflects the conventional wisdom that he was too passive at Kansas. His translated usage rate (17.4 percent) is low for a top-10 pick, especially a shooting guard. Of greater concern is how rarely McLemore got to the foul line. And, for a player who rarely created his own shot, he was surprisingly prone to turnovers. As a result, McLemore's upside appears overstated.


Len:
If Len indeed goes No. 1 -- or anywhere in the top 10 -- it will be on the strength of scouting and not his performance. Len was ineffective in two years at Maryland, and while that's partially attributable to the system in which he played, Len has no such excuses for his poor rebounding. His low translated steal rate is also an enormous red flag -- no player in my database has ever come up with steals so infrequently. DeAndre Jordan and Ryan Anderson have been able to overcome similarly low steal rates, but Hasheem Thabeet has not.


My main takeaway is this is yet another source I trust extolling Porter's virtues. This will be a good draft if he slips to three and we nab him. Also, I really want to one of Len, Adams or Noguiera. I hope we can trade back up for someone who slips (likely one of the latter two). Nogueira's ranking/upside is clearly the best potential value compared to his purportedly likely draft position. Perhaps there's even more value there for the Wizards in having the young Brazillian tutored by Nene.
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Post#1231 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:48 pm

For what it's worth on Porter's ability to score off the dribble, his college stats were inconsistent at best. His freshman season, he was fantastic at scoring off the dribble, albeit in a limited capacity. But his sophomore season, he was very bad at scoring off the dribble. So you'll have to decide which year you believe.

As a freshman, his 1.529 PPP on shots off the dribble were 1st in the entire NCAA. Only 17 plays, but still. Very interesting.
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Post#1232 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:51 pm

jivelikenice wrote:RockyMac...Do you really think Martell re-signs with Otto and Ariza on the roster? I doubt it unless we offer way more than anyone else. Why would he come hear to split the SF position with three guys? I think we trade Ariza and still re-sign Martell but I think its unrealistic to assume we keep all three considering our holes at stretch 4 and 3rd guard who can score....Plus this FO has already agreed to trade Ariza once before.


I think Webster definitely re-signs, even with Porter and Ariza still on the roster. For this coming season, Webster can slide over to SG, where he's actually been better in his career. In the future, it's unlikely Ariza is brought back past this season, so there would be even more minutes opening up for Webster. Webster has stated he has no problem coming off the bench, and we should be able to get him a good 20-26 MPG either as a starter or off the bench. He's a team player, and he's smart enough to realize that even if he isn't starting, and the wings appear to be crowded with Porter and Ariza, that he'll still get his 20+ MPG that he's looking for. Webster will be back. No doubt in my mind. I think we keep Ariza as well, at least until the deadline, but I still think there's a decent chance we trade him this summer.
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Post#1233 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:53 pm

The things I like most about Porter are unteachable.

1.) Height & length
2.) Tremendous feel for the game in general. Within that,
- Tremendous offensive IQ and scoring instincts. Knows how to get to the FT line, knows how to move off the ball, knows how to facilitate teammates, unselfish.
- Good defensive IQ, good anticipation to force turnovers, good communicator and team defender, good at bothering shooters with his length
- Excellent rebounder for his position, has a nose for the ball.
3.) Outstanding motor and competitiveness, plays very hard but stays under control.
4.) Showed the ability to be "the guy" for GTown and elevated that team.
5.) Showed a definite ability to improve. Mature. "Gets it."
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Post#1234 » by stevemcqueen1 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:55 pm

rockymac52 wrote:For what it's worth on Porter's ability to score off the dribble, his college stats were inconsistent at best. His freshman season, he was fantastic at scoring off the dribble, albeit in a limited capacity. But his sophomore season, he was very bad at scoring off the dribble. So you'll have to decide which year you believe.

As a freshman, his 1.529 PPP on shots off the dribble were 1st in the entire NCAA. Only 17 plays, but still. Very interesting.


That's a tiny sample size. And he wasn't the featured offensive player as a freshman. If it were a strength, he would have gone to it more. I think it's a pretty clear weakness. But I think it's something he can certainly improve. It's a skill and you can work on skills.
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Post#1235 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:01 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:The things I like most about Porter are unteachable.

1.) Height & length
2.) Tremendous feel for the game in general. Within that,
- Tremendous offensive IQ and scoring instincts. Knows how to get to the FT line, knows how to move off the ball, knows how to facilitate teammates, unselfish.
- Good defensive IQ, good anticipation to force turnovers, good communicator and team defender, good at bothering shooters with his length
- Excellent rebounder for his position, has a nose for the ball.
3.) Outstanding motor and competitiveness, plays very hard but stays under control.
4.) Showed the ability to be "the guy" for GTown and elevated that team.
5.) Showed a definite ability to improve. Mature. "Gets it."


I totally agree. He's poised, smart, and plays the "right" way. I think his ability to play off-ball is immeasurable especially with Wall/Beal in tow. A guy who can play in between and knows where to go to maintain spacing is one of those "intangible" type things. Commentators said it about Ray Allen a bit during the finals. He doesn't just spot up at 3 and wait for things to happen. He reacts to the situation and moves about to a) still be in position to shoot and b) not crowd the ball handler yet still be open. He also has great awareness of where the lines are and is always in position. I think things like that though technically can be taught - isn't being taught and it's fantastic to see us targeting a player like Porter who plays so... fundamentally.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1236 » by sfam » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:07 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Again, if EG does something stupid in the draft its usually for a good reason, especially of the team that is benefiting from it is one of the teams in Stern's favor.

I expect number1 pick 2014 handed to the Wizards for helping Stern's team in favor of the year.
Aka Wizards get top three pick at least.


It is awesomely ironic to see someone be so naive as to believe in something so cynical.

Sorry for the awkward sentence.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but when has the NBA draft not had red flags of being rigged in shady ways.

Gil gun ==Number 1 Wall pick.
LeBane James== cav 1 pick.

Know I am not the only person that see these rigged patterns. Google it. NBA trying to deal the Hornets, they get top pick, and EG helps them with cap space and wins lotto the following year. Maybe those aren't connected, but maybe they are as well tho. Just saying.

Seem more naive to dismiss it without evidence that they don't do shady deals like this in the NBA. Can you prove they don't?

Can you prove that aliens haven't abducted people?

Can you prove that David Stern doesn't have a predilection for shtuping goats?

In anything other than religious battles, why would we ever want to use that as a basis for our discussion of whether something could be possible?
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Post#1237 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:10 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:The things I like most about Porter are unteachable.

1.) Height & length
2.) Tremendous feel for the game in general. Within that,
- Tremendous offensive IQ and scoring instincts. Knows how to get to the FT line, knows how to move off the ball, knows how to facilitate teammates, unselfish.
- Good defensive IQ, good anticipation to force turnovers, good communicator and team defender, good at bothering shooters with his length
- Excellent rebounder for his position, has a nose for the ball.
3.) Outstanding motor and competitiveness, plays very hard but stays under control.
4.) Showed the ability to be "the guy" for GTown and elevated that team.
5.) Showed a definite ability to improve. Mature. "Gets it."


I totally agree. He's poised, smart, and plays the "right" way. I think his ability to play off-ball is immeasurable especially with Wall/Beal in tow. A guy who can play in between and knows where to go to maintain spacing is one of those "intangible" type things. Commentators said it about Ray Allen a bit during the finals. He doesn't just spot up at 3 and wait for things to happen. He reacts to the situation and moves about to a) still be in position to shoot and b) not crowd the ball handler yet still be open. He also has great awareness of where the lines are and is always in position. I think things like that though technically can be taught - isn't being taught and it's fantastic to see us targeting a player like Porter who plays so... fundamentally.


+2. I also think Porter's ability to contribute on cuts to the basket will be crucial for us going forward. Other than transition, scoring off cuts to the basket is the most efficient play type category in the NBA. This past season the Wizards finished 28th in cut efficiency. That clearly needs to improve. Most cuts come from the PF and C, but the SF can get involved sometimes too, and Porter is the type of SF that is likely to get a lot of cuts at the next level. Playing off the ball alongside Wall and Beal will really help Porter excel and also help the Wizards as a whole in this regard.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1238 » by sfam » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:10 pm

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jivelikenice wrote:RockyMac...Do you really think Martell re-signs with Otto and Ariza on the roster? I doubt it unless we offer way more than anyone else. Why would he come hear to split the SF position with three guys? I think we trade Ariza and still re-sign Martell but I think its unrealistic to assume we keep all three considering our holes at stretch 4 and 3rd guard who can score....Plus this FO has already agreed to trade Ariza once before.


I think Webster definitely re-signs, even with Porter and Ariza still on the roster. For this coming season, Webster can slide over to SG, where he's actually been better in his career. In the future, it's unlikely Ariza is brought back past this season, so there would be even more minutes opening up for Webster. Webster has stated he has no problem coming off the bench, and we should be able to get him a good 20-26 MPG either as a starter or off the bench. He's a team player, and he's smart enough to realize that even if he isn't starting, and the wings appear to be crowded with Porter and Ariza, that he'll still get his 20+ MPG that he's looking for. Webster will be back. No doubt in my mind. I think we keep Ariza as well, at least until the deadline, but I still think there's a decent chance we trade him this summer.

Depends on his other offers. If Webster has a chance to start somewhere else, why would he return to DC. Draft Porter probably has an opportunity cost associated with losing Webster.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1239 » by rockymac52 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:13 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:RockyMac...Do you really think Martell re-signs with Otto and Ariza on the roster? I doubt it unless we offer way more than anyone else. Why would he come hear to split the SF position with three guys? I think we trade Ariza and still re-sign Martell but I think its unrealistic to assume we keep all three considering our holes at stretch 4 and 3rd guard who can score....Plus this FO has already agreed to trade Ariza once before.


I think Webster definitely re-signs, even with Porter and Ariza still on the roster. For this coming season, Webster can slide over to SG, where he's actually been better in his career. In the future, it's unlikely Ariza is brought back past this season, so there would be even more minutes opening up for Webster. Webster has stated he has no problem coming off the bench, and we should be able to get him a good 20-26 MPG either as a starter or off the bench. He's a team player, and he's smart enough to realize that even if he isn't starting, and the wings appear to be crowded with Porter and Ariza, that he'll still get his 20+ MPG that he's looking for. Webster will be back. No doubt in my mind. I think we keep Ariza as well, at least until the deadline, but I still think there's a decent chance we trade him this summer.

Depends on his other offers. If Webster has a chance to start somewhere else, why would he return to DC. Draft Porter probably has an opportunity cost associated with losing Webster.


Because Webster does not care if he starts, genuinely. He's a team player. He accepts his role, whatever that may be. Now, if there are other offers on the table that would pay him more money, then I think he might consider leaving. But I don't think he's going to get any offers that will pay him more than about $4 million per year, which is what we'd be offering him. The main point is that Webster genuinely does not appear to care if he starts or comes off the bench, which is a great sign.

Does drafting Porter decrease our odds of re-signing Webster? Yes, but it's only ever so slightly, IMO. We're re-signing Webster, IMO, no questions asked.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#1240 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:28 pm

fishercob, what did he say about Adams?

Also, does his system factor physical attributes (beyond those captured in statistical numbers)? Does the fact that Player X has a superior standing reach to Player Y make any difference?

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