Greg Oden to Miami?

[TheChosen618]

I don't want Oden in Miami. He's surely an upgrade over Center than most, but I don't trust his knees. I'm not sure if trusting his health is such a good idea. I would like for other options. I would rather see Oden to Cleveland all honesty. I would like to see him back in the league, but not for the price of a possible championship.

[aquaadverse]

That said, if Cleveland offer him a multi-year guaranteed deal close to the MLE--you go take that deal and whatever happens to your knees happens--you can live the rest of your life on that contract if you manage it right.

But at the same time, it's hard to know what Oden's goals are right now. He may really really just want to play basketball and have a career. It may not be about the money at this point. I mean you think about what he was, and what's been taken away from him--dude may just want to give himself the best chance possible to have a career.

Plus the culture down here is one of the best in the league.

I think if he meets with Riley the deal is pretty much done. Riley can sell anybody anything.

He's already got enough enough to live the rest of his life if he manages it properly. He got a total of $23M in salary from the Blazers plus whatever he picked up in endorsement money. I know he signed a deal with Nike prior to being drafted.

That doesn't mean money isn't the top priority, of course, But we aren't talking Norris Cole rookie contract net worth either. If he's looking at this next season as a paid rehab/career re-starter, Riley tossing out names like Ike Austin and Miami's recent record of keeping everyone but Wade healthy could get it done. We're the only team that had a guy with a new kidney make a comeback.

Probably blew right through that. Didn't Oden have a alcohol problem?

I still say he's about getting PAID but hopefully I'm wrong...would be a nice pickup/experiment.

Still has a net worth of $15M if you believe this:

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth ... net-worth/

He made $1.5M last year from his Portland buyout when he could have made much more signing with another team, instead of doing what he thought he needed to do for a better chance at resuming a career. Since it was a buyout, any salary would have been on top of it.

Might not mean anything, but it doesn't look like he desperate for cash.

[DivineFury]

I don't want Oden in Miami. He's surely an upgrade over Center than most, but I don't trust his knees. I'm not sure if trusting his health is such a good idea. I would like for other options. I would rather see Oden to Cleveland all honesty. I would like to see him back in the league, but not for the price of a possible championship.

The price of a championship? We aren't signing Howard, so it's either Oden or Dalembert as the best possible upgrades. Both are equally risky IMO. Oden is health, and Daly is attitude.

[plowking]

I don't want Oden in Miami. He's surely an upgrade over Center than most, but I don't trust his knees. I'm not sure if trusting his health is such a good idea. I would like for other options. I would rather see Oden to Cleveland all honesty. I would like to see him back in the league, but not for the price of a possible championship.

We had players like Howard who get no minutes sitting on the bench. Calm down, it won't cost us a championship. Its well worth the experiment. You might end up getting 7ppg and 7rpg in 15mpg from him. I'd take that.

[Sonny Carson]

I don't want Oden in Miami. He's surely an upgrade over Center than most, but I don't trust his knees. I'm not sure if trusting his health is such a good idea. I would like for other options. I would rather see Oden to Cleveland all honesty. I would like to see him back in the league, but not for the price of a possible championship.

We had players like Howard who get no minutes sitting on the bench. Calm down, it won't cost us a championship. Its well worth the experiment. You might end up getting 7ppg and 7rpg in 15mpg from him. I'd take that.

Yep. Not like Spo has to play him on back to back's either...

[greg4012]

If the market forces the HEAT to spend the full MMLE on one of the centers we're discussing, I go with Dalembert over Oden. Unless he comes with medical clearance and a great workout for Riley and Co., Oden is too much risk to tie up anything more than the vet min on.

My ideal, yet not likely, situation would be getting Dalembert and Dorrell Wright to split the MMLE.

[SWadeUP]

So signing Oden, and assuming he starts or becomes somewhat serviceable, does that force Spo to ditch small ball and go with a more traditional lineup?

rio
wade
james
Bosh
Oden?

I kinda want this to happen. We should have smoked Indiana. This lineup would do it.

[Sonny Carson]

So signing Oden, and assuming he starts or becomes somewhat serviceable, does that force Spo to ditch small ball and go with a more traditional lineup?

rio
wade
james
Bosh
Oden?

I kinda want this to happen. We should have smoked Indiana. This lineup would do it.

We kinda ditched the small ball lineup the moment UD started..

With that said..

If it gives the Heat the versatility to switch lineups if they may.

Against the Bulls/Pacers....Go Big.

Against the Knicks, OKC, etc.....Go Small.

[Slot Machine]

Oden is done as a starter, especially in our defensive system. The best we could hope from him would be 15-20 good minutes a game.

But yeah, I wouldn't use our MMLE on Oden.

[SWadeUP]

Oden is done as a starter, especially in our defensive system. The best we could hope from him would be 15-20 good minutes a game.

But yeah, I wouldn't use our MMLE on Oden.

Have you seen him play within the last year? How do you know that?

enlighten me.

[Slot Machine]

Oden is done as a starter, especially in our defensive system. The best we could hope from him would be 15-20 good minutes a game.

But yeah, I wouldn't use our MMLE on Oden.

Have you seen him play within the last year? How do you know that?

enlighten me.

Do you know what microfracture surgery is? Do you know how much it takes out of someone and can even completely ruin their career? Oden has had three microfracture surgeries. Additionally, he's had foot, leg, and other knee problems due to the fact that his legs aren't the same length. His body isn't built for basketball at this point. The best case scenario is what Walton did with the Celtics in '86 and even that's far-fetched.

I know it's fun to think about a healthy Oden dominating with us for the minimum but even if Oden somehow stayed healthy with us, his body won't allow him to be the same player he should've been or was with the Blazers.

[HeatDaChamps]

For people skeptical, we're not signing him to the MMLE, i would be against that. If we were to even use it, it would be for someone else. I will ONLY sign oden to a Min deal, for like 2 years. 2nd year, ill give him player option to sweeten the deal. So all his health questions go away, if he gets hurt, well....it didnt hurt us that much. He sits on the bench for two years or we release him and just pay up. I mean we paid Juwan the min two years for doing nothing too. If hes not willing to take that, then go elsewhere. He knows this is the best place he can revive his career. Being a solid contributor on a championship team.

[GreenHat]

That said, if Cleveland offer him a multi-year guaranteed deal close to the MLE--you go take that deal and whatever happens to your knees happens--you can live the rest of your life on that contract if you manage it right.

But at the same time, it's hard to know what Oden's goals are right now. He may really really just want to play basketball and have a career. It may not be about the money at this point. I mean you think about what he was, and what's been taken away from him--dude may just want to give himself the best chance possible to have a career.

Plus the culture down here is one of the best in the league.

I think if he meets with Riley the deal is pretty much done. Riley can sell anybody anything.

He's already got enough enough to live the rest of his life if he manages it properly. He got a total of $23M in salary from the Blazers plus whatever he picked up in endorsement money. I know he signed a deal with Nike prior to being drafted.

That doesn't mean money isn't the top priority, of course, But we aren't talking Norris Cole rookie contract net worth either. If he's looking at this next season as a paid rehab/career re-starter, Riley tossing out names like Ike Austin and Miami's recent record of keeping everyone but Wade healthy could get it done. We're the only team that had a guy with a new kidney make a comeback.

When you think you have a $100 mil coming in four years you blow through the 20 mil you have pretty quickly.

[GreenHat]

Oden is done as a starter, especially in our defensive system. The best we could hope from him would be 15-20 good minutes a game.

But yeah, I wouldn't use our MMLE on Oden.

Our defensive system is an interesting consideration. I would hope we would be able to adjust while Oden is in (if he ever makes it back to the court)

[GreenHat]

Oden with his injury history. Would be a fool not to take the most guaranteed money he is offered, and i'm sure his agent will be letting him know that every chance he gets. Most likely just using miami like every other free agent.

The worst was when Lebron, Bosh, Battier and Ray Allen "used" Miami as free agents. Oh and Mike Miller too.

Point still stands, more players will use miami then sign with us, and it's not very smart for one of the most injured players in history to pass on guaranteed money.

If you count every free agent that doesn't sign with Miami as "using Miami" then of course more players will "use Miami". We're always going to sign less than half of the available free agents.

Additionally most of the guys who "use Miami" are guys we lowball.

[Heat fan06]

If the market forces the HEAT to spend the full MMLE on one of the centers we're discussing, I go with Dalembert over Oden. Unless he comes with medical clearance and a great workout for Riley and Co., Oden is too much risk to tie up anything more than the vet min on.

My ideal, yet not likely, situation would be getting Dalembert and Dorrell Wright to split the MMLE.

Getting both would be amazing.

[HIF]

That said, if Cleveland offer him a multi-year guaranteed deal close to the MLE--you go take that deal and whatever happens to your knees happens--you can live the rest of your life on that contract if you manage it right.

But at the same time, it's hard to know what Oden's goals are right now. He may really really just want to play basketball and have a career. It may not be about the money at this point. I mean you think about what he was, and what's been taken away from him--dude may just want to give himself the best chance possible to have a career.

Plus the culture down here is one of the best in the league.

I think if he meets with Riley the deal is pretty much done. Riley can sell anybody anything.

He's already got enough enough to live the rest of his life if he manages it properly. He got a total of $23M in salary from the Blazers plus whatever he picked up in endorsement money. I know he signed a deal with Nike prior to being drafted.

That doesn't mean money isn't the top priority, of course, But we aren't talking Norris Cole rookie contract net worth either. If he's looking at this next season as a paid rehab/career re-starter, Riley tossing out names like Ike Austin and Miami's recent record of keeping everyone but Wade healthy could get it done. We're the only team that had a guy with a new kidney make a comeback.

When you think you have a $100 mil coming in four years you blow through the 20 mil you have pretty quickly.

And you'd know that because?

in fact it's documented that he didn't blow through 20m.

[Cloud765]

Oden is done as a starter, especially in our defensive system. The best we could hope from him would be 15-20 good minutes a game.

But yeah, I wouldn't use our MMLE on Oden.

Have you seen him play within the last year? How do you know that?

enlighten me.

Do you know what microfracture surgery is? Do you know how much it takes out of someone and can even completely ruin their career? Oden has had three microfracture surgeries. Additionally, he's had foot, leg, and other knee problems due to the fact that his legs aren't the same length. His body isn't built for basketball at this point. The best case scenario is what Walton did with the Celtics in '86 and even that's far-fetched.

I know it's fun to think about a healthy Oden dominating with us for the minimum but even if Oden somehow stayed healthy with us, his body won't allow him to be the same player he should've been or was with the Blazers.

That's a damn shame. The Blazers should be contracted for what is essentially ruining (or allowing the ruin of) two would-be superstars. Can you imagine a homegrown blazers big 3 of oden, roy and LMA? That medical staff needs a good shakeup.

[Alex Trevelyan]

Players and agents don't think this way, but the reality is Oden was paid a great deal of money he never earned in Portland. A financial consideration is always going to predominate, especially when a player appears to have a limited earnings potential going forward, but who in their right mind is going to pay Oden more than the vet's minimum? He hasn't played in 3-years. He's had multiple microfracture procedures and numerous other operations to correct a laundry list of series ailments in his short career. I never underestimate the stupidity of various NBA franchises, but who is going to give Oden any substantial guaranteed money?

At this point in his career he can probably be nothing more than a situational player good for 15-20 mpg, tops. If he's likely to catch on at all it's going to be with a team that can use him in that limited role, and teams with that luxury are probably contenders; teams that are already maxed out against the cap. And if you're going to go that route, might as well do so with us. The only other team I've seen his name linked to are the Cavaliers, is Dan Gilbert willing to overpay a major question mark just so he can keep him away from us? I don't think Gilbert is that petty.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Players and agents don't think this way, but the reality is Oden was paid a great deal of money he never earned in Portland. A financial consideration is always going to predominate, especially when a player appears to have a limited earnings potential going forward, but who in their right mind is going to pay Oden more than the vet's minimum? He hasn't played in 3-years. He's had multiple microfracture procedures and numerous other operations to correct a laundry list of series ailments in his short career. I never underestimate the stupidity of various NBA franchises, but who is going to give Oden any substantial guaranteed money?

At this point in his career he can probably be nothing more than a situational player good for 15-20 mpg, tops. If he's likely to catch on at all it's going to be with a team that can use him in that limited role, and teams with that luxury are probably contenders; teams that are already maxed out against the cap. And if you're going to go that route, might as well do so with us. The only other team I've seen his name linked to are the Cavaliers, is Dan Gilbert willing to overpay a major question mark just so he can keep him away from us? I don't think Gilbert is that petty.

A team that can't attract marquee free agents and needs to take a risk on someone. A team like phx, cha, cle, even a team like boston who is rebuilding, i can see them throw some money at oden.