Alex Kennedy On Millsap And Big Al

Post #1 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:34 pm

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The59Sound · Post #2 » by **The59Sound** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:11 pm

The idea that Paul Millsap and Earl Watson could find something to complain about with respect to their roles is mind-boggling.

Post #3 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:14 pm

true. but the same happened with Bell and Miles. what does it tell us when the players who get the most undue, undeserved credit have a problem with corbin?

reapaman · Post #4 » by **reapaman** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:21 pm

I don't know what Watson was complaining about but Millsap was reportedly upset because his minutes was cut from last year (crazy right?) and that he was randomly benched in some 4th quarters. I kept trying to explain to people that Corbin had to play Millsap a lot to get him to shut up, he had no choice if he wanted a stable environment.

Not a Corbin fan at all but Jazz FO (specifically KOC) put him in that unnecessary and pointless situation. At least fire KOC as executive to make up for it because he should not have a FO job of any kind, he doesn't deserve it.

red4hf · Post #5 » by **red4hf** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:46 pm

Jefferson is as good as gone...... And I can only hope Millsap follows him out the door.......

Post #6 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:52 pm

i have to disagree. millsap is in a contract year. if his causes any problems and create an unstable environment, it will just hurt his next contract. if he is played for as many minutes as he did against starters, it will also make him look bad, like he did this season. this season also hurt his next contract, especially after turning down 24M for 3 years. corbin should have played the best players who gave him the best chance of winning. in any team there will be disgruntled players over PT. yet somehow, for two years in a row, the most disgruntled players over PT where the players who should have played a lot less, yet got way too much credit and PT. CJ, Bell, Watson and Millsap, all sucked. all of them did not deserve the PT and credit they got, yet somehow they are the ones complaining.

corbin achieved the worse of the situation - he played too much players who didn't deserve it which hurt the team, yet they were the ones complaining. he might as well played the players who deserved PT and were better. the players who ended up complaining over their PT and role would have complained anyway.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #7 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:02 am

Sounds about right. I was sure the Jazz would trade Boozer or AK, but nothing. Then I was sure they would trade Millsap or Big Al, but nothing. And I am sure they will S&T Big Al or Millsap... so probably nothing.

Jazzfan154 · Post #8 » by **Jazzfan154** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:05 am

Let them walk or sign and trade one or both of them. But it is time to turn the team over to the youth.

KDBG · Post #9 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:16 am

reapaman wrote:I don't know what Watson was complaining about but Millsap was reportedly upset because his minutes was cut from last year (crazy right?) and that he was randomly benched in some 4th quarters. I kept trying to explain to people that Corbin had to play Millsap a lot to get him to shut up, he had no choice if he wanted a stable environment.

Not a Corbin fan at all but Jazz FO (specifically KOC) put him in that unnecessary and pointless situation. At least fire KOC as executive to make up for it because he should not have a FO job of any kind, he doesn't deserve it.

You hit the nail on the head. That's been my stance the whole time. I don't get why people don't understand the difficulty of keeping a professional locker room together. You can't just bench the highest paid players on your team. This isn't college or high school where you just play the best players regardless. Did you see how much drama there was when Pau got replaced in the starting lineup in LA? There are egos, money, and grown men involved. I also agree that I put the blame on KOC for putting Corbin in such an awkward position. I'm not a huge fan of Corbin either, but you also can't deny that he wasn't put into the most ideal position to succeed.

nghedman · Post #10 » by **nghedman** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:23 am

Wow, how time makes one forget. I can't believe someone thinks milsap doesn't deserve the time. Hearing this i think milsap might have a very valid point. Many times he was the best man on the floor for the jazz! And the crazy thing is when he wasn't.... it was mostly Jefferson.

One more thing, I don't want to watch the jazz lose! I hate it when the jazz lose! I hate it when people say play the young guys, if the young guys are not the best then they need to practice more. It makes no sense to play the second best player. Practise is held for a reason, and in fact they are playing guys better than them in practice so why do they need game time to play better players , fact is they don't and shouldn't.
I hope I never hear to play the young guys again! When I do it only makes me think has that person really thought about basketball or are they just jumping on a bandwagon.

The59Sound · Post #11 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:34 am

nghedman wrote: if the young guys are not the best

They are.

nghedman · Post #12 » by **nghedman** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:43 am

The59Sound wrote:
nghedman wrote: if the young guys are not the best

They are.

kanter and favors are better? You just lost a lot of credibility in my book. What jazz are you watching? ... The one in your dreams?

Winglish · Post #13 » by **Winglish** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:49 am

by The59Sound » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 pm

nghedman wrote:
if the young guys are not the best

They are.

Favors only.

It is unquestionable that Al Jefferson was better than Enes Kanter over the last two years. Kanter is still potential, and until he learns to avoid turnovers he has a gaping hole in his game that hurts the team every bit as much as Al's pick and roll defense. I'm sorry, but that is the blunt, absolute truth. People are going to get pukingly sick of seeing the ball slapped out of Kanter's hands! Only if Kanter cuts down on his turnover rate can he become the player we hope he can become. I agree that it's time to see what Kanter can do on a full time basis, though.

pickIBL · Post #14 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:58 am

Favors to me is a 5 man... but yea... the guy is ready to get turned loose big time next season.

Luigi · Post #15 » by **Luigi** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:02 am

nghedman wrote:Wow, how time makes one forget. I can't believe someone thinks milsap doesn't deserve the time. Hearing this i think milsap might have a very valid point. Many times he was the best man on the floor for the jazz! And the crazy thing is when he wasn't.... it was mostly Jefferson.

One more thing, I don't want to watch the jazz lose! I hate it when the jazz lose! I hate it when people say play the young guys, if the young guys are not the best then they need to practice more. It makes no sense to play the second best player. Practise is held for a reason, and in fact they are playing guys better than them in practice so why do they need game time to play better players , fact is they don't and shouldn't.
I hope I never hear to play the young guys again! When I do it only makes me think has that person really thought about basketball or are they just jumping on a bandwagon.

This is excellent perspective. We are all way too high on youth.

We're fixing to be the next baby bulls, and I doubt we draft someone like Rose after it all falls apart. Chandler, Curry, Hinrich, Deng looked great. They passed up great trades for them. Then they underachieved.

The59Sound · Post #16 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:03 am

Alec Burks over Marvin WIlliams? Hayward can play either position.

Post #17 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:05 am

favors and kanter are better than millsap. and millsap is not the highest paid jazz player - that is jefferson, who i think all agree should have been a starter.

KDBG · Post #18 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:37 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:favors and kanter are better than millsap. and millsap is not the highest paid jazz player - that is jefferson, who i think all agree should have been a starter.

If you were referring to me, I said that Millsap was one of the highest paid players. Not THE highest player. But that was my whole point, that all 4 bigmen deserved major minutes. That is why it was such an awkward position for Corbin to be in, no matter how incompetent of a coach he may be.

Post #19 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:54 am

KDBG wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:favors and kanter are better than millsap. and millsap is not the highest paid jazz player - that is jefferson, who i think all agree should have been a starter.

If you were referring to me, I said that Millsap was one of the highest paid players. Not THE highest player. But that was my whole point, that all 4 bigmen deserved major minutes. That is why it was such an awkward position for Corbin to be in, no matter how incompetent of a coach he may be.

wasn't referring to you. but to your point - most coaches are in awkward position. that's just part of the job. corbin is now the 9th longest tenured coach in the league. that means that most if not all coaches are in tough spots. corbin just handled it badly, and the team suffered because of it. millsap deserved minutes - but not as much as he got. and yet he still complained about it. so in that case, wouldn't you be better off starting favors anyway? millsap would complain either way, and favors was the better player with a more needed skill-set and tools (size, length , defense). of all the choices - corbin made the the worst one.

KDBG · Post #20 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:07 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
KDBG wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:favors and kanter are better than millsap. and millsap is not the highest paid jazz player - that is jefferson, who i think all agree should have been a starter.

If you were referring to me, I said that Millsap was one of the highest paid players. Not THE highest player. But that was my whole point, that all 4 bigmen deserved major minutes. That is why it was such an awkward position for Corbin to be in, no matter how incompetent of a coach he may be.

wasn't referring to you. but to your point - most coaches are in awkward position. that's just part of the job. corbin is now the 9th longest tenured coach in the league. that means that most if not all coaches are in tough spots. corbin just handled it badly, and the team suffered because of it. millsap deserved minutes - but not as much as he got. and yet he still complained about it. so in that case, wouldn't you be better off starting favors anyway? millsap would complain either way, and favors was the better player with a more needed skill-set and tools (size, length , defense). of all the choices - corbin made the the worst one.

He did handle it badly. But it was still an easy, avoidable situation for the FO. The FO should have traded at least one of Millsap or Big Al ages ago.