Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition)

[Noonskadoodle]

So nobody is a hockey fan?

Should have figured that down South...

LMAO

I'm up here in Mass, people are devastated right now, lol, me being originally from FL, its hard to get into, but, I watch it just to keep convos up here in bars.

I PROMISE YOU....7 years ago I was like ayyyy eff Hockey.....NOOOOOO this is my FAV team & I have POPPED CHAMPAGNE TWICE SINCE 2010!!!!

YOU GO DIE HARD HOCKEY & IT FEELS JUST AS GOOD.....DEF NOT a FAILURE as the MAGIC but I PROMISE...You LOVE hockey you gain so many FOLLOWERS/FOLLOWS....

[DiplomaticMagic]

The Wolves continue to try to move higher up in the draft to get their hands on Victor Oladipo. They're offering Derrick Williams, the No. 9 and the No. 26 pick to move up, but so far haven't found a taker. New Wolves GM Flip Saunders is enamored with Oladipo.

Uhhh why the hell are we not accepting this trade?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... ding-draft

[doct3r dr3]

I'm not the bledsoe aficionado by far and i've always been an eye test guy so i go with what i see and my gut and i did watch him in college. Basically he's more or less a slightly improved version of himself from kentucky and some might think that's alright but i'm not so sure man. He's always been athletic even back then, no change there. Shooting is still an issue and will always be an issue imo, decision making is an issue no change there either. Doesn't make anyone better and wasn't really a true point, no change there either.

What if I told you he shot better from damn near every location (including 3s)... than Jameer did this year.

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 .........Bledsoe......Nelson.........
At Rim     .580         .574
3-<10ft    .447         .429
10-<16ft   .340         .263
16ft-<3pt  .291         .322
3pt        .368         .341


[Orlando Prodigy]

The Wolves continue to try to move higher up in the draft to get their hands on Victor Oladipo. They're offering Derrick Williams, the No. 9 and the No. 26 pick to move up, but so far haven't found a taker. New Wolves GM Flip Saunders is enamored with Oladipo.

Uhhh why the hell are we not accepting this trade?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... ding-draft

We're essentially trading the first pick for Derrick Williams who isn't good, and the #9 pick. The 26th pick in this draft is worthless. I'd rather have an early 2nd rounder.

[Driguez]

So the new rumor according to OPP is we might take Zeller. Next, we are considering Lens Open the rumor floodgates, took long enough lol.

[pogiro]

The Wolves continue to try to move higher up in the draft to get their hands on Victor Oladipo. They're offering Derrick Williams, the No. 9 and the No. 26 pick to move up, but so far haven't found a taker. New Wolves GM Flip Saunders is enamored with Oladipo.

Uhhh why the hell are we not accepting this trade?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... ding-draft

I'm not for trading down. Especially if Bledsoe is on his way. We have a good number of promising young guys already. We need quality, not quantity.

[Neon1]

What if I told you he shot better from damn near every location (including 3s)... than Jameer did this year.

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 .........Bledsoe......Nelson.........
At Rim     .580         .574
3-<10ft    .447         .429
10-<16ft   .340         .263
16ft-<3pt  .291         .322
3pt        .368         .341


That's because Jameer had a far below the norm shooting season (for him) this year, while Bledsoe's shooting was very far above his norm.

Both will deviate back towards their career numbers, there are anomaly years (good and bad) in every players career where they deviate.

You cannot only go by a single season (unless its all you have), and completely ignore the past seasons.

[doct3r dr3]

What if I told you he shot better from damn near every location (including 3s)... than Jameer did this year.

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 .........Bledsoe......Nelson.........
At Rim     .580         .574
3-<10ft    .447         .429
10-<16ft   .340         .263
16ft-<3pt  .291         .322
3pt        .368         .341


That's because Jameer had a far below the norm shooting season (for him) this year, while Bledsoe's shooting was very far above his norm.

Both will deviate back towards their career numbers, there are anomaly years (good and bad) in every players career where they deviate.

You cannot only go by a single season (unless its all you have), and completely ignore the past seasons.

One player is also 23 and on an upward trajectory while the other is over 31 and on the decline...

EDIT: I feel I should say somewhere that it's strange I keep finding myself debating with you lately, because I think you're very insightful and tend to agree with what you have to say. Keep giving the McLemore-ites hell!

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

What about Comparison in shot attempts with those percentages?

[meatwad4343]

just on the wiretap. there was a deal on the table for the no 1 pick and 19 for lamarcus aldridge. the blazers weren't interested. looks like the cavs really want out of that pick. they must not like noel enough.

[Def Swami]

What about Comparison in shot attempts with those percentages?

Yep. Bledsoe only averaged one 3-point attempt per game.

[Def Swami]

just on the wiretap. there was a deal on the table for the no 1 pick and 19 for lamarcus aldridge. the blazers weren't interested. looks like the cavs really want out of that pick. they must not like noel enough.

That would have been a hell of a deal for the Cavs. I don't blame the Blazers for denying that one. I doubt there's a player as good as Lamarcus Aldridge in this draft.

[RickB-Orlando]

So nobody is a hockey fan?

Should have figured that down South...

LMAO

I gave it a shot in the early 2000's, but I just couldn't get into it.

i'm a hockey fan. just for the local team. the lightning.

I gave up on hockey when they decided it was a better idea to cancel a season than settle a lockout.

[thelead]

What if I told you he shot better from damn near every location (including 3s)... than Jameer did this year.

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 .........Bledsoe......Nelson.........
At Rim     .580         .574
3-<10ft    .447         .429
10-<16ft   .340         .263
16ft-<3pt  .291         .322
3pt        .368         .341


That's because Jameer had a far below the norm shooting season (for him) this year, while Bledsoe's shooting was very far above his norm.

Both will deviate back towards their career numbers, there are anomaly years (good and bad) in every players career where they deviate.

You cannot only go by a single season (unless its all you have), and completely ignore the past seasons.

Missing the big fella may be what led to those numbers for Jameer. His career numbers may have been inflated because he played with one of the best big men his whole career... He also isn't getting any younger.

[Neon1]

One player is also 23 and on an upward trajectory while the other is over 31 and on the decline...

But the guys comment wasn't about who is the better option moving forward, it was simply about him not being to shoot in literally ever season of his pro career.

A tiny 78 shot sample this season of 39.7 three point shooting means nothing when comparing it to his recent history. If he had shot that on a legit volume instead of a sample size so small that every shot and miss is dramatically moving his average.

NBA
32-116 .276
6-30 .200
31-78 .397
Career: 69-224 .308%

He hasn't become a true 40% shooter after being a 26% shooter (after 1st two years) in a single offseason. If I had to guess he falls back to around 32%-33% this next season if he gets up good number of attempts.

What I posted above is also why I don't trust Victor Oladipo's numbers. They are too far off his averages on a very small sample size.

[doct3r dr3]

What about Comparison in shot attempts with those percentages?

Yep. Bledsoe only averaged one 3-point attempt per game.

True, but he also played way fewer minutes per game. If you compare per 36 min:

Bledsoe: 13.2 FGA, 1.8 3PA
Nelson: 14.2 FGA, 6.5 3PA

For my money, I don't mind a guy heaving fewer threes and getting into the lane more. The proof of the efficiency advantage is in his superior eFG% (.473 compared to .470).

[Neon1]

Missing the big fella may be what led to those numbers for Jameer. His career numbers may have been inflated because he played with one of the best big men his whole career... He also isn't getting any younger.

That's possible, but I doubt it had that much effect. Just from watching the games Jameer's shot selection was highly questionable and kind of out of character for what we've seen. He just didn't care, and would pull up for crazy long threes completely outside of the offense.

[orlando1214]

So the new rumor according to OPP is we might take Zeller. Next, we are considering Lens Open the rumor floodgates, took long enough lol.

Yeah I just saw that, it's actually Andy Katz saying that. Here's his tweet.

Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 53m
And here is draft week curveball. Orlando had Cody Zeller in Monday and hasn't ruled him out at No. 2. Reach? Maybe. Magic casting wide net.


I HIGHLY doubt Hennigan would take Zeller with the 2nd pick, he's smarter than that. The Magic might have interest in him, but the only way I would see them taking him is if they traded down. Still think this is just Katz reaching after he saw Zeller was working out for the Magic today. Probably nothing more than Hennigan and his crew doing their homework.

[bigdogdylan5]

So the new rumor according to OPP is we might take Zeller. Next, we are considering Lens Open the rumor floodgates, took long enough lol.

I cant believe what I was reading there

[Neon1]

EDIT: I feel I should say somewhere that it's strange I keep finding myself debating with you lately, because I think you're very insightful and tend to agree with what you have to say. Keep giving the McLemore-ites hell!

It's nothing. Just good back and forth debates and insight from other perspectives. We all learn from each other everyday.