S&T Josh Smith to HOU

radtech · Post #1 » by **radtech** » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:19 pm

Al Hortford is the primary post scorer and the now the most recognizable player on this team. HE commands the double team and effectively anchors the defense as well. But he is playing mostly of out position by playing center and defending most teams centers. A sign and trade of Josh Smith to HOU can net you Omer Asik, Thomas Robinson, maybe Terrance Jones or your pick of another young player, and a future number one pick.

The cons of course if you are trying to get Dwight Howard. Just look at the Lakers one season with Howard and Pau Gasol and see how they were a mismatch. Both need the ball in the paint to dominate but they usually clog the lane if anyone wanted to drive the lane. When they didnt have the necessary shooters on the floor it just got ugly with no spacing and both players just pounding the ball into the ground. Same could be true with Hortford and Howard. Howard for all his great talent still doesn't have a great go to move in the paint and still can't hit his free throws at a averaged rate. Another question is why doesn't he lead the league in rebounding? Kevin Love can barely jump over a can of Red Bull. So why does he get so many rebounds? Pure effort. Howard is the most physically center and yet doesn't always rebound.

Why did it work for the Heat, they had 2 players who can break down any defenders and a Bosh who was just happy to play some defense and score a little bit when Wade and James felt like passing. They were able to play a more open, fast break style, and attacking the rim game.

You can still sign a top free agent and still contend in the Eastern Conference. And with 2 picks in the first round you can develop your own "big 3" instead of buying them.

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:07 am

There is so much wrong with everything you've said.

radtech wrote: Another question is why doesn't he lead the league in rebounding? Howard is the most physically center and yet doesn't always rebound.

Dwight Howard has led the league in rebounding 5 times in the last 6 years. Including this year. And last year.

parson · Post #3 » by **parson** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:58 am

Jamaaliver wrote:There is so much wrong with everything you've said.

radtech wrote: Another question is why doesn't he lead the league in rebounding? Howard is the most physically center and yet doesn't always rebound.

Dwight Howard has led the league in rebounding 5 times in the last 6 years. Including this year. And last year.

He meant rebounding on Tuesdays in March after All You Can Eat Lobster Night at Lobster House.

(Oops.)

Post #4 » by **dms269** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:59 am

Horford and Howard would more than work because both are different types of big men. Horford is better with being able to float out of the paint and hit that mid-range jumper. Dwight must have the ball in the paint.

Like what was said before, Dwight led the league in rpg and 2as 2nd in total rebounds.

If you expect Atlanta to draft 2 hall of fame caliber players with their two picks you are mistaken. Developing a big 3 requires luck, something that Atlanta doesn't have much of.

tcorbin · Post #5 » by **tcorbin** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:31 am

Howard and Gasol would have worked well, it was D'Antoni's system that was the problem. Howard and Horford in the Spurs system would be scary good.

parson · Post #6 » by **parson** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:32 am

But if we can create an organization of intelligent, hard-working and prepared men and women, we'll make our own luck. I like the 1st 2 steps: GM and coach. If the rest of the team can measure up, we're on our way. It's really amazing how the owners seem to have opened their collective eyes.

Post #7 » by **dms269** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:26 am

I think the real question is who is this Al Hortford?

LarsV8 · Post #8 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:52 pm

radtech wrote: A sign and trade of Josh Smith to HOU can net you Omer Asik, Thomas Robinson, maybe Terrance Jones or your pick of another young player, and a future number one pick.

parson · Post #9 » by **parson** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:48 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
radtech wrote: A sign and trade of Josh Smith to HOU can net you Omer Asik, Thomas Robinson, maybe Terrance Jones or your pick of another young player, and a future number one pick.

Don't worry, I'm sure on YOUR board we're offering Smith AND Horford for Royce White.

Besides, in order to get the salary exchange the way you'll need it, it would have to be Asik +. But please consider that if we were the only thing standing between y'all and getting Dwight Howard, I imagine we'd ask for a pretty penny, doncha think?

LarsV8 · Post #10 » by **LarsV8** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:00 pm

Thomas Robinson is the only thing standing in the way of a max deal for Dwight.

We have multiple offers for him.

I can understand the slight homerism in trade proposals, but I literally spit out my drink when I read that, because I think he is completely 100% serious.

parson · Post #11 » by **parson** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:20 pm

It would have been clearer if I'd added that Josh Smith is considered an enticement for getting Howard. If you wanted Smith and Howard, you'd have to clear much more salary, around $17 - $20 million. Sorry for being imprecise.

I also note that the OP has a different point than the one I'm making. I just haven't considered getting Howard while trading Smith to y'all. In all my thoughts, it's been SNTing Smith IF YOU GOT HOWARD. Sorry.

Still, with that caveat, my point still makes sense, if you want Smith to go with Howard, you'll have to clear a lot of salary, starting with Asik.

parson · Post #12 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 7:31 pm

Recent buzz from Jason McLaed's tweets:

Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA 2h

Biggest issue im told is HOU expects/needs value for Lin, not just a salary dump. ATL won't give that with Teague their pg of choice.
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Jason McLaed Jason McLaed ‏@InsiderJayNBA 2h

Lin wouldn't be part of deal going to ATL if deal is worked out, plan to keep Teague. 3rd team/diff filler/or lower Smith salary needed.

Earlier, I asked for a link for the Smith-to-HOU talk. This is the guy who broke the story. HOU wants us to SNT Smith for Asik and Lin (the rest of the details are in negotiations). The sticking point is HOU's insistence that Lin goes with Asik. Now, we read they actually want value for Lin, so we're looking for a 3rd team to take Lin. Good luck with that.

Sounds like HOU is trying to pretend they want Smith, but can't have him because they can't dump Lin. "Gee, Dwight, we tried. Sign here."

Post #13 » by **dms269** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 8:59 pm

Good to see that Ferry is refusing to take on Lin, especially when he has a better option in Teague who he can just bring back.

Post #14 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 9:31 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:Good to see that Ferry is refusing to take on Lin, especially when he has a better option in Teague who he can just bring back.

Ferry had better play his cards right, other teams have already expressed interest in Asik.

He's already failed to acquire value for Josh Smith once.

parson · Post #15 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:39 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:Good to see that Ferry is refusing to take on Lin, especially when he has a better option in Teague who he can just bring back.

Ferry had better play his cards right, other teams have already expressed interest in Asik.

He's already failed to acquire value for Josh Smith once.

Well, if he'd taken the direction you wanted at the deadline, we wouldn't have this opportunity, would we? So, he's played his cards right so far. You want "value;" I want a Center. Taking anything, especially the PHI deal, would hinder our attempt at getting what matters, which is, for us, a Center.