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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#621 » by Tayswagzzz » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:59 am

gp123 wrote:Vuci
Noel,
Tobes
Hark,
Bled.

Not to shabby of a core there, especially if we can draft/throw money at a FA guard in 2014.

I'm almost more intrigued by our second pick -- management appears to find good value in scouting so who knows what sleeper rob has his eye on.


I love this lineup lol..it should be very exciting..and hopefully bad enough to tank one more season..which I'm sure it will. Because the following season, I guarantee we'll be a playoff team.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#622 » by Skin » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:04 am

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rcklsscognition wrote:Why is this Bledsoe thing a "draft-day trade". Are we overlooking something obvious there?

Would make more sense to go down after july 1 if CP is signing there at that time.

The whole trade just does not seem like a reasonable trade.

I'm really against this trade the way it is currently constructed.

Hoping that this is all smoke and mirrors by LAC to try and get someone to up that "bid"

Well the one thing we do know is that Henny keeps his lips tight.

The only news we ever hear that is remotely accurate comes from the other side of Henny's bargaining table. So this is very likely a ploy by LAC to make sure they are covered in making sure they get the best offers for Bledsoe and that they need to come soon.

My bet is that the deal is more like Afflalo and Moore for Bledsoe and Butler.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#623 » by pogiro » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:06 am

Including Nicholson and a 1st rounder just does not seem like a move Hennigan would make. #1, he drafted Nicholson. #2, he's got to have some confidence in his drafting ability, that he can find another Bledsoe-like prospect in the draft. That's just too many assets to give up for an unproven prospect, even as promising as I think he is. #3, we can sign Bledsoe in a couple of years and not have to give up anything.

Plus, we have the leverage in this trade. We're not desperate to get Bledsoe now. Our window is years away. The Clippers' window is now, and CP3 isn't signed quite yet. They need a deal ASAP more than we do. I can stomach trading them Afflalo and a protected pick. I think the fear of trading Nicholson and him turning into a good player is going to keep Hennigan from shipping him out.

Afflalo has better trade value than J.J. We're not in a rush to trade him because we're afraid of him leaving for nothing. And the next team doesn't have to be afraid of him leaving at the end of the season. He's locked in on a reasonable contract. There's no friggin way Hennigan will ship much more than him for Bledsoe. No friggin way.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#624 » by Skin » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:07 am

Tayswagzzz wrote:
gp123 wrote:Vuci
Noel,
Tobes
Hark,
Bled.

Not to shabby of a core there, especially if we can draft/throw money at a FA guard in 2014.

I'm almost more intrigued by our second pick -- management appears to find good value in scouting so who knows what sleeper rob has his eye on.


I love this lineup lol..it should be very exciting..and hopefully bad enough to tank one more season..which I'm sure it will. Because the following season, I guarantee we'll be a playoff team.

The ironic thing is, we could get Bledsoe ourselves in 2014. lol.

We could probably ship AA off to Minnesota for 26 if we really wanted to. We shouldn't be in desperation mode to get rid of AA's contract so much that it's worth giving up Nicholson and a future first. Crazy.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#625 » by fendilim » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:07 am

I'm all for acquiring Bledsoe in return for AA and Nicholson, but adding a 1st isn't what I want, especially a pick next yr, regardless if its the Nuggets or Knicks pick. It simply doesn't make sense for us.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#626 » by Greenraida » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:10 am

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rcklsscognition wrote:Why is this Bledsoe thing a "draft-day trade". Are we overlooking something obvious there?

Would make more sense to go down after july 1 if CP is signing there at that time.

The whole trade just does not seem like a reasonable trade.

I'm really against this trade the way it is currently constructed.

Hoping that this is all smoke and mirrors by LAC to try and get someone to up that "bid"

Well the one thing we do know is that Henny keeps his lips tight.

The only news we ever hear that is remotely accurate comes from the other side of Henny's bargaining table. So this is very likely a ploy by LAC to make sure they are covered in making sure they get the best offers for Bledsoe and that they need to come soon.

My bet is that the deal is more like Afflalo and Moore for Bledsoe and Butler.


excellent point. IN HENNY WE TRUST!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#627 » by woosah » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:12 am

If no one gave a better offer when it was just AA for Bledsoe & Butler, then why would they offer more now that it is AA, 2015 1st and Nicholson? That doesn't make sense.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#628 » by OrlDave » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:13 am

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Skin wrote:Keep preachin' doc! Half this board loves BMac.


It was like 90%, I think some are starting to make the switch though.


Where on earth are you guys getting this idea ? Look at the poll thread. That was created right around the lottery (before Oladipo's rise) and the board was pretty much split between Ben, Nerlens and Trey. Now a ton of guys have swapped to the Victor bandwagon. Also what does it matter? Our opinions won't effect who Rob drafts. I'll support whomever he deems right for the team.

On a side note since Cody has been tossed about, it seems completely possible we could take Victor at two and trade for the nine and get Cody. The Orlando Hoosiers.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#629 » by silent1900 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:16 am

I'm starting to get that "I'm about to get kicked in the nuts" feeling that has surrounded our previous few draft days...hopefully it is just flashbacks.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#630 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:19 am

pogiro wrote:Including Nicholson and a 1st rounder just does not seem like a move Hennigan would make. #1, he drafted Nicholson. #2, he's got to have some confidence in his drafting ability, that he can find another Bledsoe-like prospect in the draft. That's just too many assets to give up for an unproven prospect, even as promising as I think he is. #3, we can sign Bledsoe in a couple of years and not have to give up anything.

Plus, we have the leverage in this trade. We're not desperate to get Bledsoe now. Our window is years away. The Clippers' window is now, and CP3 isn't signed quite yet. They need a deal ASAP more than we do. I can stomach trading them Afflalo and a protected pick. I think the fear of trading Nicholson and him turning into a good player is going to keep Hennigan from shipping him out.

Afflalo has better trade value than J.J. We're not in a rush to trade him because we're afraid of him leaving for nothing. And the next team doesn't have to be afraid of him leaving at the end of the season. He's locked in on a reasonable contract. There's no friggin way Hennigan will ship much more than him for Bledsoe. No friggin way.

Man i so agree with this, why are people disregarding Nicholson so much man? he has so much potential, if he can get his defense on point and bulk up you're looking at a starter quality player. Dude can basically score anytime he wants one on one and the most amazing thing to me is he hasn't even shot a 3 all season even though he's a great 3 pt shooter, imagine if he hits 1 or 2 of those a game? he could be one of the toughest covers. This is a laughable trade man, can't believe we're in talks to give up all these assets for just bledsoe alone basically. He's going to be a restricted FA soon how much are we willing to pay to see if he can reach his potential?

I'm warming up to Bledsoe BUT not at that price man, it's too damn high
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#631 » by rcklsscognition » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:21 am

People inside the league have expressed concern over Andrew's gait and age and how it could hamper his development.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#632 » by Skin » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:26 am

silent1900 wrote:I'm starting to get that "I'm about to get kicked in the nuts" feeling that has surrounded our previous few draft days...hopefully it is just flashbacks.

:lol: And1.... I got that same feeling, but I'm preaching with everything I can to reason against this silly rumor. :lol:
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Post#633 » by Howard Mass » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:26 am

I have no probs with the proposed deal except throwing in that future 1st in the deal and we do not even know which one.

If The Magic do get Bledsoe, I hope they do not overpay him.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#634 » by Skin » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:27 am

rcklsscognition wrote:People inside the league have expressed concern over Andrew's gait and age and how it could hamper his development.

Tim Duncan has a gait and age.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#635 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:27 am

rcklsscognition wrote:People inside the league have expressed concern over Andrew's gait and age and how it could hamper his development.

could be but remember he's not one of those kids that has been playing ball since they were in the crib he didn't pick up a basketball until like his junior year in high school, i think he's scratching the surface but that's just my view
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#636 » by jgosche » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:27 am

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Greenraida wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Why is this Bledsoe thing a "draft-day trade". Are we overlooking something obvious there?

Would make more sense to go down after july 1 if CP is signing there at that time.

The whole trade just does not seem like a reasonable trade.

I'm really against this trade the way it is currently constructed.

Hoping that this is all smoke and mirrors by LAC to try and get someone to up that "bid"

Well the one thing we do know is that Henny keeps his lips tight.

The only news we ever hear that is remotely accurate comes from the other side of Henny's bargaining table. So this is very likely a ploy by LAC to make sure they are covered in making sure they get the best offers for Bledsoe and that they need to come soon.

My bet is that the deal is more like Afflalo and Moore for Bledsoe and Butler.

We can hope, anyways.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#637 » by pogiro » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:28 am

rcklsscognition wrote:People inside the league have expressed concern over Andrew's gait and age and how it could hamper his development.


Does he really need to develop much more? I'm actually pretty happy with where he is at. His offense is pretty mature already. I'm not really expecting him to be a starter, not to say I don't think he could. But players like him really solidify the bench and I see him getting near starters minutes, as is. Experience and the fact he's a cerebral player is what's going to develop his game. Not his gait and youth, or lack there of.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#638 » by tiderulz » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:30 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Giving up the Nuggets/Knicks pick next year is nothing to me. If there is a pick, that's the one I'm offering.


giving up a pick in a loaded draft? you trade away the Lakers pick or Philly's, not next years.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#639 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:36 am

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Coach_McGuirk wrote:Kevin Love - F/C - Timberwolves

The Cavs offered the top pick in the draft, Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters for Kevin Love, according to ESPN.com.
It's an interesting package, but it's not going to be enough to pry one of the league's best power forwards. The Cavs aren't really tied to any specific player with the first overall pick, so it makes a lot of sense that they would try and deal it. Even though Love is coming off a disastrous year, shooting 35.2 percent from the field in only 18 games, he still has top-five fantasy upside


I'm not sure I could turn that down if I was Minnesota.

Nah, Love is easily the best player in that crop. He's a legit all-star in the game. The Wolves are in good shape as long as they stay healthy. No need to break it up. None of those players coming from Cleveland will reach Love's ceiling.

But, damn the Cavs want out of that pick bad.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition 

Post#640 » by kasedafk_1 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:36 am

wow, if we get Bledsoe and draft Oladipo, Noel or BMAC our team is gonna be athletic as hell! So much more exciting then watching a team full of non athletic 3 point shooters. I cant wait for thursday.

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