Trade Idea Thread II

[Bensational]

:nonono: why the hell would clipps deal BG to Cleveland? The hell?

to help clear room to sign Dwight outright, and to get back a nice asset at the same time.

instead of doing a Griffin + Bledsoe for Howard deal (which LAL say they won't do anyway), you do a Griffin + Butler deal, sign Howard outright, keep Bledsoe for another deal, and come away with the #1 pick on top of that.

Where do you guys get this strange notion that we want to get rid of Blake? Dude, even if we do want Dwight we won't do it at the expense of Blake. The rumors come from outside LA because it seriously doesn't come from our organization. "Sources" Broussard and many others have said that it is "possible" to do so not saying that we are actually looking into it!!

Even if CP wanted to play with Dwight, the new CBA will screw them over and they'll probably just stay pat in the teams their in. To us fans, Blake is very valuable and, some would argue, even more valuable than CP.

Tbh If CP manages to get with Dwight it won't be with us and it will be with a team that's been stripped bare bones. So please no more of this Blake going somewhere else crap it's just getting annoying as hell -__-

i'm just throwing out the trade idea. i don't think the Clippers will move Blake, he's too much of a money maker for them. besides, it would take way too much effort to clear room to be able to sign Dwight outright.

my guess is that Dwight and Paul end up together in Houston. either LAL or LAC accept a package of Lin + Asik in a s&t, or some other team will help them clear those pieces, and then they'll just sign both outright.

a Blake/Bledsoe tandem is a solid backup plan, though.

[Waider]

:nonono: why the hell would clipps deal BG to Cleveland? The hell?

Maybe they won't Sir, but if CP3 says get me Doc/KG/Dwight then I think it is the only move that makes sense for them. They get to screw the Lakers, they get a young asset to develop with a championship calibre team & enough cap space to sign 2 close to max FA's.

I'm honestly of the opinion that if the Clippers sit on their hands & only bring in a new coach CP3 walks. I like the Clippers (I am a fan of another team however), I want them to be successful. But maybe you'd rather see Sportscenter dunks over a Championship game at home? If Blake is your best player (as good as he is) you are not winning a Championship.

But just my opinion, hope you guys have an A+ offseason. All the best.

[Quake Griffin]

^^^
you guys are a dime a dozen and annoying as hell at that.


no Clipper fan here is under any illusion when it comes to Griffin and we don't need fans of other teams who don't watch all 82 games (like we do, evidenced by our game threads), telling us what they think of Griffin.

it's like you all believe we're lying to ourselves...crossing our fingers and hoping Griffin works out. As long time fans, we deserve the benefit of the doubt.....


AND WE DEFINITELY DESERVE to not have to see any more bullish** about highlight dunks over substance/ championships.

[Waider]

^^^
you guys are a dime a dozen and annoying as hell at that.


no Clipper fan here is under any illusion when it comes to Griffin and we don't need fans of other teams who don't watch all 82 games (like we do, evidenced by our game threads), telling us what they think of Griffin.

it's like you all believe we're lying to ourselves...crossing our fingers and hoping Griffin works out. As long time fans, we deserve the benefit of the doubt.....


AND WE DEFINITELY DESERVE to not have to see any more bullish** about highlight dunks over substance/ championships.

Didn't watch all 82 regular season games but would have watched 50+ on League Pass as well as your playoff loss in its entirety. I have always liked the Clippers, I guess because I hate the Lakers & want you guys to be better than them, this year was great to see that come to fruition. And I love Chris Paul.

I'm confused by your comments (when I say confused, just want to make sure I am reading them right);

"no Clipper fan here is under any illusion when it comes to Griffin"

&

"it's like you all believe we're lying to ourselves...crossing our fingers and hoping Griffin works out. As long time fans, we deserve the benefit of the doubt....."

Are you saying Clippers fans realise Blake is flawed & you can't win with him as the #1 or even #2 option? I'm not saying that, that's just how it read to me????

I COME IN COMPLETE PEACE & as a fan of a team who won't be competitive next year (Celtics) I hope the Clippers swing for the fences & win it all. Just tried to offer an NBA fans perspective on how you could do it.

All the best. Good luck to your team.

[mttwlsn16]

^^^
you guys are a dime a dozen and annoying as hell at that.

Preach it Quake!

[ClipperDomination]

I think Victor Oladipo would be an absolute perfect fit for the Clippers. Would something like Bledsoe + #25 to the Bobcats for #4 + filler be considered fair?

[QRich3]

If the Boston deal goes through and we manage to keep Bledsoe and Butler, what would you think about turning them into Varejao? we'd need another center to give Garnett some rest and he's probably the best available guy for that job.

I've just seen on the GB a rumor about the Cavs and the Bobcats trading their picks, so how about something like this:

Clippers In: Varejao
Clippers Out: Butler, Bledsoe
Cavaliers In: Michael Kidd Gilchrist, #4 pick
Cavaliers Out: Varejao, #1 pick
Bobcats In: Bledsoe, Butler, #1 pick
Bobcats Out: Michael Kidd Gilchrist, #4 pick

I'm not sure the Bobcats need Bledsoe at all, having Kemba there, so any other 3rd team that can help the trade would be ok, cause the Cavs have no use for Bled either. Maybe we can even extract some more value out of the deal, like a late 1st or a 2nd.

I just feel a lot more confortable if we use Bledsoe as trade bait to strengthen our front court than if we do it to improve our perimeter, where I'd be fine having Green and Crawford to cover all the SG minutes.

[Det the Threat]

I don't see the Bobcats ever trading MKG just to trade up three spots in this draft and add a guy at the only other position(point guard) their pretty solid at.

Also, if I'm the Clippers, I wouldn't ever give up Butler's expiring and Bledsoe for an injury waiting to happen called Anderson Varejao.

[Ranma]

With Doc onboard, I'd like to see what he can do with Bledsoe, but if the team still feels the need to trade him in an attempt to "upgrade", I'd rather go after a someone like Shabazz Muhammad in the draft over getting Aaron Afflalo. I like AA too, but to me, he is not worth giving up Bledsoe. EB should easily be worth a top-five pick in this weak draft, which has no consensus #1 overall pick yet and names like Trey Burke considered as the best PG prospect and Ben McLemore falling down draft boards. If Muhammad is not who the Clippers' scouting staff is high on, then I am genuinely curious who are atop their draft board.

I remain hopeful that a straight-up swap of DJ-for-KG can be accomplished after some time to show that both team still want to make the deal even after the Doc transaction is already finalized or with the help of the NBPA lobbying. However, if that fails and a three-team trade is necessary to further convince Stern, then I propose the following general construction of a trade with salary cap filler to be adjusted accordingly:


- Clippers receive Kevin Garnett
- Boston receives Josh Smith (signed-and-traded to reunite with AAU buddy Rondo)
- Atlanta receives DeAndre Jordan

[ejftw]

If Indiana wants to dump Gerald Green to the point they would attach #23 with him, would a deal of Hill's contract for G. Green and the pick be favorable?

Could package 23 & 25 to move up, or make sure we get two solid role players, since that is what most of this draft is.

[madmaxmedia]

With Doc onboard, I'd like to see what he can do with Bledsoe, but if the team still feels the need to trade him in an attempt to "upgrade", I'd rather go after a someone like Shabazz Muhammad in the draft over getting Aaron Afflalo.

The main driver behind trading Bledsoe is not to upgrade, but because otherwise they would likely lose him next offseason to free agency.

But yeah, it would be interesting to get someone like Muhammad. I'm fine with Afflalo though. I'm a UCLA alum and wasn't super smitten by Muhammad this year.

[madmaxmedia]

I would still like Garnett most of all. He's a stopgap due to age, OTOH DJ may be a 'stopgap' due to time left on his contract. I think having BG alongside him will keep KG fresher over the course of a season.

I get the whole deal with the player/coach trade thing, but at some point Stern has to let it go. The biggest criteria is going to be the language in the paperwork, not what's being discussed in the media.

In addition, does this mean CONCURRENT trades cannot be discussed between 2 teams, as well as CONTINGENT trades? Because if the Clippers and Celtics submit one deal first that has no language regarding it being contingent on another trade, what more can you do? Seems sort of ridiculous to me (of course the Clippers got the benefit of a veto'd deal with CP3, this time the shoe is on the other foot.)

It will be rather sad if KG were to choose retirement at this stage in his career (not wanting to be part of a rebuild, when he could have had 1-2 seasons left with a playoff contender. That's the worst part of it IMO, not whether the Clippers actually get him or not.

[tranjSAIC]

I think Victor Oladipo would be an absolute perfect fit for the Clippers. Would something like Bledsoe + #25 to the Bobcats for #4 + filler be considered fair?

God no, Bledsoe is still considered unproven. I think the highest pick Bledsoe and 25 gets you is around 8-12 range.

[tranjSAIC]

If the Boston deal goes through and we manage to keep Bledsoe and Butler, what would you think about turning them into Varejao? we'd need another center to give Garnett some rest and he's probably the best available guy for that job.

I've just seen on the GB a rumor about the Cavs and the Bobcats trading their picks, so how about something like this:

Clippers In: Varejao
Clippers Out: Butler, Bledsoe
Cavaliers In: Michael Kidd Gilchrist, #4 pick
Cavaliers Out: Varejao, #1 pick
Bobcats In: Bledsoe, Butler, #1 pick
Bobcats Out: Michael Kidd Gilchrist, #4 pick

I'm not sure the Bobcats need Bledsoe at all, having Kemba there, so any other 3rd team that can help the trade would be ok, cause the Cavs have no use for Bled either. Maybe we can even extract some more value out of the deal, like a late 1st or a 2nd.

I just feel a lot more confortable if we use Bledsoe as trade bait to strengthen our front court than if we do it to improve our perimeter, where I'd be fine having Green and Crawford to cover all the SG minutes.

Cavs get to much in this deal, MKG and 4th pick for only Varejao and moving down 3 spots? Varejao could be worth it but the guy is always hurt. I highly doubt his value brings back a pick/player worthy of top 5.

[QRich3]

Yeah that was based on a rumor I saw on the GB, I just added the Clippers part. Don't really care about the Bobcats or MKG, the 3rd team could be changed to any other team in the league that would give them an aseet they want for Bledsoe.

It doesn't matter now though, I proposed this to have a competent backup to KG so he could be fresh for the playoffs. With KG not happening, I'd rather keep Bled or trade him for a veteran wing and gamble on DJ as a full time center, with a veteran minimum backup like Dalembert, O'Neal or similar.

[azncorruptedo17]

well... we're going to have to trade eb before the deadline or lose him for nothing...

[QRich3]

Or you know, we can keep him and make him our full time 2nd guard.

Even if we didn't, think what every other contender in a major market would do. Do you see the Lakers or the Knicks just renouncing the rights of one the most coveted young guards in the league cause they don't want to pay him 6 or 7 million dollars? cash is gonna be coming in if we are contenders and it seems DTS has realised it's ok to invest a lot of money in the team if it's gonna double the profit, so I don't know why everybody just assumes we won't re-sign him. every other team does re-sign their players even if they're not interested in keeping them long term, you don't just lose an asset for the sake of it. Look at what the Nuggets did with Nene for instance.

[azncorruptedo17]

i think you're looking at it without anything else in consideration.

would we be able to afford him? he'll most likely net 8-10mil contract as RFA. can we match that? If so, what does that leave us with in the players we can afford to sign in FA?

I don't mind him being a fulltime 2, if he can actually be consistent. I was one of the few that actually said he's probably one of our best picks in a long time when he got drafted and others didn't. he was, if i remember correctly, 60+% spot up 3pt shooter in college, can he get back to that level? If so, keep him. He was primarily a 2 in college with wall being the PG anyway.

Our 2014 Salary if we end up keeping DJ + EB (matching an offer) + CP3:
CP3 = 20mil
DJ = 11.5mil
BG = 17mil
EB = 8-10mil
JC = 5.4m
WG = 1.5
MW = 1.2 (qualifying offer)

that's like 60mil already just from those players... someone has to go, that's the only way it'll work.

[QRich3]

We can always match offers for restricted free agents, even if it takes us over the luxury cap, if you mean if it's possible by the CBA.

We are not gonna be players on free agency anymore. We are gonna be paying 20+ million a year for Paul and 15+ for Blake, if we want to have a competitive team around them we are gonna be over the cap each and every year. That means the only way we're gonna be able to improve the team is gonna be by trade, draft and exceptions, so keeping players of value, like Bledsoe, is gonna be essential.

Free agency is not a good way to improve a team anyway, unless you luck out and get a max player (which we won't be able to, as we already have 2). You're always required to overpay to get a good player.

[PG3]

Magic trade
Glen Davis
Aaron Afflalo

Clippers trade
Caron Butler
Eric Bledsoe
Willie Green

Big Baby will be a valuable asset off the bench. Afflalo will be our starting SG