Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

[Ruzious]

Didn't know Minnesota was offering Derrick Williams, the 9th and 26th pick to move up. That's a lot to give up to get Oladipo.

Yep, and I'd take that in a heartbeat. There are guys that should be there at 9 and 26 that in addition to Williams, would likely solve our issues at 3, 4, and backup Point, or developmental Center etc. I'd much rather do that than a conservative Porter pick, or to some extent, a risky Bennett pick. More often than not in the NBA, several pieces for one piece trades never ever work for the team getting "several pieces," but in a draft this crappy, I'd rather have multiple shots at getting a starter caliber player, than simply forcing the pick to land one solid caliber starting player, or admittedly risky upside player.

Hmm... 9, 26 and Williams. That'd be interesting. There's an outside chance that Bennett or Zeller could be there at 9. At 26, the UNC small forward could be there - ol' whatshisname.

[TGW]

Bleh...I'd pass on that Derrick Williams trade. He just doesn't excite me as a player anymore. The #26 doesn't interest me either...that's the type of pick that can be bought outright.

[Dat2U]

Bleh...I'd pass on that Derrick Williams trade. He just doesn't excite me as a player anymore. The #26 doesn't interest me either...that's the type of pick that can be bought outright.

This.

[Soup's Uncle]

I remember Soup. Are you really his uncle?

Soup was the nickname of a Bullet many years ago that tried to perfect the running one-hander from twenty feet out. Needless to say he didn't last very long.

I did not know that.

[Ruzious]

Bleh...I'd pass on that Derrick Williams trade. He just doesn't excite me as a player anymore. The #26 doesn't interest me either...that's the type of pick that can be bought outright.

Agreed on Williams - though there's still potential there, but if a Bullock or Withey is there at 26, that's good cheap labor for 4 years. And you know the Wiz aren't going to buy a pick. Basically, it depends on who's there at 9.

[tontoz]

Over the last few weeks Mclemore has seen his stock decline steadily, at least in part due to things Dat was talking about months ago.

He does seem to exaggerate at times when he differs with the ESPN crew. He has valid reasons for his differing views most of the time, the question is how much weight to give those issues.

[The Consiglieri]

Didn't know Minnesota was offering Derrick Williams, the 9th and 26th pick to move up. That's a lot to give up to get Oladipo.

Minisota is jsut weird right now, they turned down an offer of, #1, Waiters, and Thompson for love. not saying tis a great deal but its not a bad one

They want a shooter badly, very badly. I think they're being kind of silly in that Oladipo's evidence as a great shooter is weird, low usage, not evident in his freshman and sophomore seasons, and as such, isn't a lead pipe lock like Klay Thompson's shooting was, or Beals (even if it was spotty for 2.5 months to start at Florida), but they love him and view him as the cure for their last major issue in the back court. They figure they are fine in the front court for the most part, and with Rubio and Oladipo in the backcourt would improve radically and fast. So giving up a piece that isn't essential, plus an extra pick isn't a big deal to lock in two needs, d, and a quality hard working shooter with inside and outside athleticism.

It does make sense. They don't need Thompson, or Noel. Not sure why they aren't interested in Waiters though.

[Deivy202]

Bleh...I'd pass on that Derrick Williams trade. He just doesn't excite me as a player anymore. The #26 doesn't interest me either...that's the type of pick that can be bought outright.

I disagree. I feel that if we got williams we can see how he is at SF or even backing up nene-ne at PF while he is still young he has alot of potential and even improved last year. Also we can still get there 9th pick and be able to draft a good player.

The 26th pick can be used for a SG or a C while we have two 2nd rounders left. I think we need more depth lets face it if nene or okefor or any of our starters our out it will be a repeat of last years seasons so depth depth depth is what I would recommend in what we should do while we also can potentially end up getting players that can play down the stretch for us.

[The Consiglieri]

Didn't know Minnesota was offering Derrick Williams, the 9th and 26th pick to move up. That's a lot to give up to get Oladipo.

Yep, and I'd take that in a heartbeat. There are guys that should be there at 9 and 26 that in addition to Williams, would likely solve our issues at 3, 4, and backup Point, or developmental Center etc. I'd much rather do that than a conservative Porter pick, or to some extent, a risky Bennett pick. More often than not in the NBA, several pieces for one piece trades never ever work for the team getting "several pieces," but in a draft this crappy, I'd rather have multiple shots at getting a starter caliber player, than simply forcing the pick to land one solid caliber starting player, or admittedly risky upside player.

Hmm... 9, 26 and Williams. That'd be interesting. There's an outside chance that Bennett or Zeller could be there at 9. At 26, the UNC small forward could be there - ol' whatshisname.

I think Zeller's landing spot is 7, 10-12, or apparently if rumors are to be believed #4 and Charlotte. So we'd have a shot at him there.

If we did that deal my targets would be:

#9
1. McCollum: One of the 2-3 guys most likely to jump from below top 5 rated to, "why didn't we pick him, ----!" territory
2. Karasev not married to that, but I really like what I hear.
3. Zeller-very good stretch 4 option
4. Muhammad-I think he's gonna be much better than everybody here thinks.
5. Olynyk-Guaranteed role at next level, should be good to very good at what he does well.
6. McLemore (or Burke) if they fall as I think they might

#26
1. Tony Mitchell: like McCollum, a guy many will be shaking their heads at missing in retrospect.
2. J. Franklin: really intriguing talent.
3. R. Ledo: racing up the boards.
4. G. Rice Jr: hidden value
5. R. Gobert: long term investment on potential huge return (much wiser than a Miles Plumlee, "we'll just have our bust, thank you," selection with zero upside and a low floor).

Bonus: T. Snell or a free falling Muhammad

[sfam]

The problem is that Webster has zero reliability due to injury history and that Ernie literally tried to trade Ariza so it's not like his long term prospects here are locked in whatsoever.

EG trying to bring in Caron was just mind-numbing.

Between people trying to justify that move and people trying to justify Bennett gaining twenty pounds prior to draft night I've learned that people will literally argue in defense of anything.

It's one thing I love about this board--all the differing opinions...but boy oh boy.

We can only aspire to be as objective in our arguments as you are.

[sfam]

Bennett would surely be a make or break pick for EG. If Bennett flops EG would be history, especially if Porter is successful.

I'm beginning to doubt EG's actions have much impact whether he is gone. He should be gone at the end of this extension - correction- he should already be gone. How much worse could Porter/Bennett be for him than Vesely?

[sfam]

Didn't know Minnesota was offering Derrick Williams, the 9th and 26th pick to move up. That's a lot to give up to get Oladipo.

Yep, and I'd take that in a heartbeat. There are guys that should be there at 9 and 26 that in addition to Williams, would likely solve our issues at 3, 4, and backup Point, or developmental Center etc. I'd much rather do that than a conservative Porter pick, or to some extent, a risky Bennett pick. More often than not in the NBA, several pieces for one piece trades never ever work for the team getting "several pieces," but in a draft this crappy, I'd rather have multiple shots at getting a starter caliber player, than simply forcing the pick to land one solid caliber starting player, or admittedly risky upside player.

Hmm... 9, 26 and Williams. That'd be interesting. There's an outside chance that Bennett or Zeller could be there at 9. At 26, the UNC small forward could be there - ol' whatshisname.

If Bennett or Zeller would be there, I'd do this and then try to package DWill, and our 26 to move up again. Would love to come out with Bennett/Zeller and Dieng, and perhaps an Erick Green.

[sfam]

Yep, and I'd take that in a heartbeat. There are guys that should be there at 9 and 26 that in addition to Williams, would likely solve our issues at 3, 4, and backup Point, or developmental Center etc. I'd much rather do that than a conservative Porter pick, or to some extent, a risky Bennett pick. More often than not in the NBA, several pieces for one piece trades never ever work for the team getting "several pieces," but in a draft this crappy, I'd rather have multiple shots at getting a starter caliber player, than simply forcing the pick to land one solid caliber starting player, or admittedly risky upside player.

Hmm... 9, 26 and Williams. That'd be interesting. There's an outside chance that Bennett or Zeller could be there at 9. At 26, the UNC small forward could be there - ol' whatshisname.

I think Zeller's landing spot is 7, 10-12, or apparently if rumors are to be believed #4 and Charlotte. So we'd have a shot at him there.

If we did that deal my targets would be:

#9
1. McCollum: One of the 2-3 guys most likely to jump from below top 5 rated to, "why didn't we pick him, ----!" territory
2. Karasev not married to that, but I really like what I hear.
3. Zeller-very good stretch 4 option
4. Muhammad-I think he's gonna be much better than everybody here thinks.
5. Olynyk-Guaranteed role at next level, should be good to very good at what he does well.
6. McLemore (or Burke) if they fall as I think they might

#26
1. Tony Mitchell: like McCollum, a guy many will be shaking their heads at missing in retrospect.
2. J. Franklin: really intriguing talent.
3. R. Ledo: racing up the boards.
4. G. Rice Jr: hidden value
5. R. Gobert: long term investment on potential huge return (much wiser than a Miles Plumlee, "we'll just have our bust, thank you," selection with zero upside and a low floor).

Bonus: T. Snell or a free falling Muhammad

If CJM is there at #9, he would have to be the pick. He'd be worth trading back for. I doubt he lasts till #9 though.

[Knighthonor]

http://t.basketball.realgm.com/realgm/# ... d9d0eacca5

Oh crap

[tontoz]

Bennett would surely be a make or break pick for EG. If Bennett flops EG would be history, especially if Porter is successful.

I'm beginning to doubt EG's actions have much impact whether he is gone. He should be gone at the end of this extension - correction- he should already be gone. How much worse could Porter/Bennett be for him than Vesely?

The guys drafted immediately after Vesely were

BB
Knight
Walker
Jimmer
Thompson

Not exactly an strong group there, especially given that 3 of them were pgs. Granted they are all better than Ves by far but it isn't like we missed out on much.

[Soup's Uncle]

EG should be gone from the Jan pick, and the #5 trade for Miller & Foye. Other GMs probably foam at the mouth when they talk to him. Salivating thinking that they can fleece us.

[stevemcqueen1]

Guys like him? He played 3/4's of one college season, and his coach raves about his positive attitude, willingness to work, and to fill whatever role he's asked to play in. What is a "guy like him".

Guys like him - players that pound their chests after a big dunk or a hitting a jumper and don't bother expending a lick of energy and effort on defense.

Players that don't have the desire and pride to compete as hard on the other end of the court.

Those are players like him, the Jamison's of this world.

Wtf this is pure nonsense, and I know nonsense.

[sfam]

There's chatter that an espn phoenix affiliate has talked to an insider who says Wall is lobbying for Bennett.

Pre-draft Internet chatter at its finest.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think to a certain extent the anti-Bennett crowd, at least if they reason the way I
have been on AB, is dismissing his elite-ness in ball handling and scoring inside
partly because while it may still be decent or above average at the next level, the fact that
he is a tweener and that he succeeded in college based on physicality
(he does have a pro body, except for length, an important characteristic)
but that he will have much greater difficulty in doing those same things
in the NBA where there are lots of big strong fast guys as well as great
team schemes for defending the interior.

I certainly won't root for him to fail if he is our pick
(I'm not a Republican, sorry couldn't resist)
but would be somewhat more anxious about what he might end up
doing for us.

This is a generic criticism that applies to every prospect. Every propsect will have to adjust to the jump in competition.

[wake20]

Part of me wants to draft Oladipo if he's there at 3 (Noel 1, McLemore 2), and then flip him to MIN for DWill, 9 and 26 if a guy we really like is available at 9, which could definitely happen. If not, I love Oladipo regardless of our needs because he could easily be the best player coming out of the draft.