According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

jmajew · Post #161 » by **jmajew** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:25 pm

RoseTheFuture22 wrote:If he really wants out I'm surprised they didn't take the Cavs deal, the longer they wait the less teams will be willing to deal for him without promising an extension

They didn't take Cavs deal because they want a proven player in the deal.

NZB2323 · Post #162 » by **NZB2323** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:26 pm

If Aldridge wants to go to Chicago, that should give us some leverage.

I wouldn't trade Noah for Aldridge, but I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him.

Rose
Butler
Deng
Aldridge
Noah

This team would be a nightmare for Miami, and every other team in the NBA.

dice · Post #163 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:26 pm

boozer defensive ppp (synergy): .85, aldridge: .86 (advantage boozer)
boozer oppt efg% (82games): .472, aldridge: .521 (huge advantage boozer)
RAPM defense: aldridge: 2.2, boozer: -0.2 (big advantage aldridge)
rebounding: big advantage boozer
a/to: wash
scoring: wash

why are we wanting aldridge again?

Red Larrivee · Post #164 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:26 pm

Too bad Mirotic isn't an asset, since he only wants to play in Chicago or L.A. Otherwise, Mirotic + Deng would seem like enough.

If I'm Portland, I'd definitely hold out for Noah.

RoseTheFuture22 · Post #165 » by **RoseTheFuture22** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:27 pm

Woody Allen wrote:I'm not sure if I believe that Aldridge wants out that badly. Portland has a nice young core and max cap space (if they get rid of #10 pick and Meyers Leonard, which is very doable), which makes me wonder why they are not in the Dwight Howard rumors more often.

I don't think so either, they have the ROTY, Batum looks like he's entering his prime, Mathews is a great 3rd or 4th option. All they are really missing is a defensive minded center and some depth. Plus Portland generates a decent amount of buzz when the team is winning

KiLleRInStiNcT7 · Post #166 » by **KiLleRInStiNcT7** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:27 pm

NZB2323 wrote:If Aldridge wants to go to Chicago, that should give us some leverage.

I wouldn't trade Noah for Aldridge, but I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him.

Rose
Butler
Deng
Aldridge
Noah

This team would be a nightmare for Miami, and every other team in the NBA.

Oh yeah thats a title no doubt. I like it.

KissedByaRose1 · Post #167 » by **KissedByaRose1** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:27 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Too bad Mirotic isn't an asset, since he only wants to play in Chicago or L.A. Otherwise, Mirotic + Deng would seem like enough.

If I'm Portland, I'd definitely hold out for Noah.

They'll be holding out for awhile then because there's no way we deal him. Thank God.

dice · Post #168 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:28 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him

absolute insanity. three good pieces out the door for a mediocre player :-?

Bulls69 · Post #169 » by **Bulls69** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:28 pm

Jimmy Forums wrote:There's got to be something to this. We knew via Ralph long ago that LMA was wanting to come here. I think it was Stein a couple days ago who listed Deng, Aldridge, and Danny Granger as possible movers on draft day. My first thought was that LMA and Deng came from the same rumored deal.

We have to get this done. LMA is the game changer we've been waiting for.

We have legit scorer Rose needs in Aldrige but the elephant in the room what about Boozer?

Jimmy Forums · Post #170 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:28 pm

Bulls69 wrote:
KiLleRInStiNcT7 wrote:I figured out whats happening... Cleveland gets Deng, Portland lands #1, Bulls get Aldridge. See you Thursday.

You have to move Carlos in order for this work to anyone because you are paying him big bucks to come off the bench.

1) That's the outline of the deal I'm expecting to see.

2) We can amnesty Boozer. Use the space for JR Smith.

dice · Post #171 » by **dice** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:28 pm

KiLleRInStiNcT7 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:If Aldridge wants to go to Chicago, that should give us some leverage.

I wouldn't trade Noah for Aldridge, but I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him.

Rose
Butler
Deng
Aldridge
Noah

This team would be a nightmare for Miami, and every other team in the NBA.

Oh yeah thats a title no doubt. I like it.

it's the same damn team we have now minus a bench. you're giving up significant future prospects to get worse. for god's sake

Jimmy Forums · Post #172 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:29 pm

Bulls69 wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:There's got to be something to this. We knew via Ralph long ago that LMA was wanting to come here. I think it was Stein a couple days ago who listed Deng, Aldridge, and Danny Granger as possible movers on draft day. My first thought was that LMA and Deng came from the same rumored deal.

We have to get this done. LMA is the game changer we've been waiting for.

We have legit scorer Rose needs in Aldrige but the elephant in the room what about Boozer?

Just responded to one of your other posts about this. We amnesty him.

KiLleRInStiNcT7 · Post #173 » by **KiLleRInStiNcT7** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:31 pm

dice wrote:
KiLleRInStiNcT7 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:If Aldridge wants to go to Chicago, that should give us some leverage.

I wouldn't trade Noah for Aldridge, but I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him.

Rose
Butler
Deng
Aldridge
Noah

This team would be a nightmare for Miami, and every other team in the NBA.

Oh yeah thats a title no doubt. I like it.

it's the same damn team we have now minus a bench. for god's sake

LOL no way! Aldridge is a baller! He's also very clutch. He's money from 15 feet. You gotta be smoking.

Post #174 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:31 pm

dice wrote:boozer defensive ppp (synergy): .85, aldridge: .86 (advantage boozer)
boozer oppt efg% (82games): .472, aldridge: .521 (huge advantage boozer)
RAPM defense: aldridge: 2.2, boozer: -0.2 (big advantage aldridge)
rebounding: big advantage boozer
a/to: wash
scoring: wash

why are we wanting aldridge again?

How is scoring a wash when Boozer is posting career lows in TS and is clearly aging? And his volume is a bit lower? And his efficiency is a bit lower? And his TO's are a bit higher?

You can show me any stat you want regarding Boozer versus Aldridge's defense, but be prepared to be laughed at if you think it indicates that Boozer is in the same territory as Aldridge on that end. Aldridge's biggest problem is his weak defensive rebounding-- something we should have an abundance of, especially if we move Booz for Hump.

Bulls69 · Post #175 » by **Bulls69** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:31 pm

dice wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:I would trade Taj, Charlotte's pick and Mirotic for him

absolute insanity. three good pieces out the door for a mediocre player

No way the Bulls move Mirotic he is one of the future pieces that Pax's loves.

ryannik09 · Post #176 » by **ryannik09** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:32 pm

BrooklynBulls wrote:
dice wrote:boozer defensive ppp (synergy): .85, aldridge: .86 (advantage boozer)
boozer oppt efg% (82games): .472, aldridge: .521 (huge advantage boozer)
RAPM defense: aldridge: 2.2, boozer: -0.2 (big advantage aldridge)
rebounding: big advantage boozer
a/to: wash
scoring: wash

why are we wanting aldridge again?

How is scoring a wash when Boozer is posting career lows in TS and is clearly aging? And his volume is a bit lower? And his efficiency is a bit lower? And his TO's are a bit higher?

You can show me any stat you want regarding Boozer versus Aldridge's defense, but be prepared to be laughed at if you think it indicates that Boozer is in the same territory as Aldridge on that end. Aldridge's biggest problem is his weak defensive rebounding-- something we should have an abundance of, especially if we move Booz for Hump.

Ill post this again, this is from John Hollinger.

Aldridge has achieved full-fledged stardom as something of a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki, a jump-shooting big man who can generate lots of high-percentage shots with few turnovers. He doesn't do it as well as Nowitzki, obviously, which is why Aldridge doesn't have an MVP or a championship ring, but he is darned effective. Aldridge averaged 23.9 points per 40 minutes last season, third best among power forwards, while ranking in the top 15 at his position in true shooting percentage and turnover ratio. That's some serious efficiency.

Aldridge shot 42.2 percent on jumpers outside 10 feet and went to that weapon a lot, taking nearly 10 a game; only three players, including Nowitzki, attempted more on the season. In addition, Aldridge shot a sizzling 52.1 percent from 3 to 9 feet, the second-best mark in the league -- an area where the league average is just 37.5 percent -- and made 68.4 percent in the basket area.

Meanwhile, Aldridge is a vastly underrated defensive player. He doesn't put up huge block or steal totals, but his length and mobility make him a good pick-and-roll and low-post defender. He has also developed a very good strip move against opposing post players. Synergy rated him among the league's top power forwards last season, and the Blazers gave up 7.8 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. The only quibble is that he could be a more effective defensive rebounder given his size. He is only average for a power forward and well below average for a center.

Post #177 » by **Rerisen** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:32 pm

The Blazers want Joakim Noah in return

Yep, keeping Omer Asik sure would have crippled the Bulls. :nonono:

Bulls69 · Post #178 » by **Bulls69** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:33 pm

Jimmy Forums wrote:
Bulls69 wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:There's got to be something to this. We knew via Ralph long ago that LMA was wanting to come here. I think it was Stein a couple days ago who listed Deng, Aldridge, and Danny Granger as possible movers on draft day. My first thought was that LMA and Deng came from the same rumored deal.

We have to get this done. LMA is the game changer we've been waiting for.

We have legit scorer Rose needs in Aldrige but the elephant in the room what about Boozer?

Just responded to one of your other posts about this. We amnesty him.

No way the Bulls amnesty Carlos Jerry is too cheap for that.

Keller61 · Post #179 » by **Keller61** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:34 pm

I think LMA is an upgrade over Boozer because he isn't a defensive liability and his offense is a little better. He isn't a great rebounder, though, so I wouldn't trade Noah for him. Our biggest advantage over Miami is our rebounding. We would probably need to include Boozer in a deal somehow for it to work. Maybe it is more realistic to go after LMA next summer when Boozer gets amnestied.

Jimmy Forums · Post #180 » by **Jimmy Forums** » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:35 pm

Bulls69 wrote:
Jimmy Forums wrote:
Bulls69 wrote:
We have legit scorer Rose needs in Aldrige but the elephant in the room what about Boozer?

Just responded to one of your other posts about this. We amnesty him.

No way the Bulls amnesty Carlos Jerry is too cheap for that.

Uhhh, no. If we get LMA, Boozer is gone. Reinsdorf has said that he'll pay for a winning team. If we're making a move for Aldridge, that would represent Reinsdorf aggressively going for a championship. The Boozer amnesty and Aldridge trade go hand-in-hand.