According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

[Chi town]

Always wanted LMA over T2 in the draft. He's been really good.

My questions are the future of Niko if we go all in for LMA. Niko doesn't have any value because he only wants to play for the Bulls.

I also dont' think LMA puts us over the top and makes us better than MIA. We need 3pt shooting and LMA doesn't do that. He is basically what Boozer should have been which is still not enough IMO. I'd rather have Love than LMA too. NIko may go to MIN to play with his boy Rubio.

[dice]

boozer defensive ppp (synergy): .85, aldridge: .86 (advantage boozer)
boozer oppt efg% (82games): .472, aldridge: .521 (huge advantage boozer)
RAPM defense: aldridge: 2.2, boozer: -0.2 (big advantage aldridge)
rebounding: big advantage boozer
a/to: wash
scoring: wash

why are we wanting aldridge again?

How is scoring a wash when Boozer is posting career lows in TS and is clearly aging? And his volume is a bit lower? And his efficiency is a bit lower? And his TO's are a bit higher?

why you cherry pick stats to suit your lame argument is beyond me. you cite TOs but conveniently leave out assists. you note boozer's career low in TS% while ignoring aldridge's TS% being near his career low. you ignore boozer's MUCH better career TS%. you ignore the 3 season sample size, where aldridge's scoring and TS efficiency are only marginally better than the crap booz has produced

so i ask again: why is ANYBODY high on lamarcus aldridge?

lamarcus is better than tyrus. we get it. let's not try to correct a mistake from the past by f***ing up our future

[Jimmy Forums]

I think LMA is easily an upgrade over Boozer because he isn't a defensive liability and his offense is a little better. I wouldn't trade Noah for him, though. We would probably need to include Boozer in a deal somehow for it to work. Maybe it is more realistic to go after LMA next summer when Boozer gets amnestied.

How much better LMA is than Boozer isn't even worth discussing. It's not even close. Aldridge-Noah gives us the best starting frontcourt in the league.

[chadrucf]

Ill post this again, this is from John Hollinger.

Aldridge has achieved full-fledged stardom as something of a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki, a jump-shooting big man who can generate lots of high-percentage shots with few turnovers. He doesn't do it as well as Nowitzki, obviously, which is why Aldridge doesn't have an MVP or a championship ring, but he is darned effective. Aldridge averaged 23.9 points per 40 minutes last season, third best among power forwards, while ranking in the top 15 at his position in true shooting percentage and turnover ratio. That's some serious efficiency.

Aldridge shot 42.2 percent on jumpers outside 10 feet and went to that weapon a lot, taking nearly 10 a game; only three players, including Nowitzki, attempted more on the season. In addition, Aldridge shot a sizzling 52.1 percent from 3 to 9 feet, the second-best mark in the league -- an area where the league average is just 37.5 percent -- and made 68.4 percent in the basket area.

Meanwhile, Aldridge is a vastly underrated defensive player. He doesn't put up huge block or steal totals, but his length and mobility make him a good pick-and-roll and low-post defender. He has also developed a very good strip move against opposing post players. Synergy rated him among the league's top power forwards last season, and the Blazers gave up 7.8 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. The only quibble is that he could be a more effective defensive rebounder given his size. He is only average for a power forward and well below average for a center.

Quoting Hollinger isn't going to be very convincing. He's not well respected around here.

[RoseTheFuture22]

The people who criticize Aldridge's offense probably don't actually watch him play. I've owned him in fantasy 2 of the last 3 seasons and seen him play plenty of games, the difference between he and Boozer isn't close.

This season with Stotts(Mavs assistant) tried to play him like Dirk and while he is a good shooter, he isn't on the same level as Dirk(I'm not sure anyone is). Its a slightly similar situation to Bosh in Miami but Aldridge has a much higher volume and his shots are much more difficult due to being the attention of all defenses. He can score in the post just fine, he just took a lot less shots from there last year. Defensively he's gotten a little better every year, you want him to be better because of his size but this is where Thibs could maybe bring him to even an above average defender.

[Jimmy Forums]

Ill post this again, this is from John Hollinger.

Aldridge has achieved full-fledged stardom as something of a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki, a jump-shooting big man who can generate lots of high-percentage shots with few turnovers. He doesn't do it as well as Nowitzki, obviously, which is why Aldridge doesn't have an MVP or a championship ring, but he is darned effective. Aldridge averaged 23.9 points per 40 minutes last season, third best among power forwards, while ranking in the top 15 at his position in true shooting percentage and turnover ratio. That's some serious efficiency.

Aldridge shot 42.2 percent on jumpers outside 10 feet and went to that weapon a lot, taking nearly 10 a game; only three players, including Nowitzki, attempted more on the season. In addition, Aldridge shot a sizzling 52.1 percent from 3 to 9 feet, the second-best mark in the league -- an area where the league average is just 37.5 percent -- and made 68.4 percent in the basket area.

Meanwhile, Aldridge is a vastly underrated defensive player. He doesn't put up huge block or steal totals, but his length and mobility make him a good pick-and-roll and low-post defender. He has also developed a very good strip move against opposing post players. Synergy rated him among the league's top power forwards last season, and the Blazers gave up 7.8 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. The only quibble is that he could be a more effective defensive rebounder given his size. He is only average for a power forward and well below average for a center.

Quoting Hollinger isn't going to be very convincing. He's not well respected around here.

That scouting report is over a year old, too. He stopped updating those once he left for Memphis.

[KiLleRInStiNcT7]

Are you people seriously comparing Boozer and Aldridge? Aldridge is younger and will show up in the 4th quarter.

[KissedByaRose1]

Noah is a better and more valuable basketball player than Aldridge so even if we had kept Asik I don't think I'd let Noah go.

Bobcats Pick
Deng
#20
Future 1st

Is more than enough for a player that is on a rebuilding team and stated he wants to come here.

[pylb]

Deng to Cleveland.
Boozer to Brooklyn.
LMA to Chicago.
Humphries, Thomas Robinson, #1 pick, #20 pick, Charlotte pick and Mirotic rights to Portland.

This probably doesn't work.

[Pnjguy]

Too bad Mirotic isn't an asset, since he only wants to play in Chicago or L.A. Otherwise, Mirotic + Deng would seem like enough.

If I'm Portland, I'd definitely hold out for Noah.

when has a european player ever not jump at the chance to play in the NBA? He may say that, but he's not going to stay in Europe his whole career.

[BrooklynBulls]

boozer defensive ppp (synergy): .85, aldridge: .86 (advantage boozer)
boozer oppt efg% (82games): .472, aldridge: .521 (huge advantage boozer)
RAPM defense: aldridge: 2.2, boozer: -0.2 (big advantage aldridge)
rebounding: big advantage boozer
a/to: wash
scoring: wash

why are we wanting aldridge again?

How is scoring a wash when Boozer is posting career lows in TS and is clearly aging? And his volume is a bit lower? And his efficiency is a bit lower? And his TO's are a bit higher?

why you cherry pick stats to suit your lame argument is beyond me. you cite TOs but conveniently leave out assists. you note boozer's career low in TS% while ignoring aldridge's TS% being near his career low. you ignore boozer's MUCH better career TS%. you ignore the 3 season sample size, where aldridge's scoring and TS efficiency are only marginally better than the crap booz has produced

so i ask again: why is ANYBODY high on lamarcus aldridge?

I'm not cherry picking anything. Aldridge isn't as good a passer as Boozer, and I don't care about that because he's still a very capable passer and we already have a great frontcourt passer in Noah. I ignore Boozer's career TS because he's just not that player anymore and if he was, I wouldn't want Aldridge. I do not ignore the 3 season sample size, I in fact address it. He's marginally more efficient, at a higher scoring rate, and a lower turnover rate. The things he cannot give us are well-covered by other Bulls players. The things he CAN give us, in isolation scoring, easy range out to 20 feet, the ability to play Center against a fair amount of matchups, age, health...we CANT get from our current, bald Power Forward.

How do you NOT see the appeal? Even if you don't personally like Aldridge as a player, which is fine, is it FLABBERGASTING, as you claim it to be, that posters would think he's a good fit?

[chadrucf]

Are you people seriously comparing Boozer and Aldridge? Aldridge is younger and will show up in the 4th quarter.

Posts the information to back your argument. Is he really a more impactful player in the 4th quarter? They come out relatively even overall, so even if that was true, he'd be worse than Boozer for 3 of 4 quarters.

[mj234eva]

why you cherry pick stats to suit your lame argument is beyond me.

You should ask yourself that very question, because you do it often. Then if you don't agree with some advance stat one posts, you question its legitimacy.

[jumpmanjay]

Not saying whether or not I fully endorse this...but...it's possible-

Noah for LMA

Boozer and picks for TRob and Asik.

Rose
Jimmy
Deng
LMA
Asik

Is that better than

Rose
Jimmy
Deng
Boozer
Noah

? Looks more balanced at first glance...Houston would get some more cap space as well as Howard buddy Boozer.

Edit: they don't gain cap space. Non-starter, sorry.

[chadrucf]

Deng to Cleveland.
Boozer to Brooklyn.
LMA to Chicago.
Humphries, Thomas Robinson, #1 pick, #20 pick, Charlotte pick and Mirotic rights to Portland.

This probably doesn't work.

Too much for Portland; not enough for Cleveland.

[SpongeWorthy]

Can there be any doubt at this point that Tom Thibodeau will turn anyone with adequate foot speed and size and will accept hard coaching into a plus defender?

[PMONSTER]

The Blazers want Joakim Noah in return

Yep, keeping Omer Asik sure would have crippled the Bulls.

I just don't understand why they............. forget it

[blumeany]

Maybe Rose wants Aldridge, and not Boozer. (For those arguing the difference).

[KiLleRInStiNcT7]

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[PMONSTER]

Can there be any doubt at this point that Tom Thibodeau will turn anyone with adequate foot speed and size and will accept hard coaching into a plus defender?

There shouldn't be