According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

[pylb]

Mirotic will be solid and maybe better than Bargs, but don't get your hopes up thinking he's better than Gallinari.

[weneeda2guard]

Mirotic will be good...2 time mvp in the best euroleague....bulls know he will be good, he's not bargnani imo

I don't think he is either I'm just saying he's not a proven NBA asset and Kevin Love is. I think its crazy so many people are so hell bent on holding onto Jimmy Butler. I love him too but if it's for a legit #2 option see ya.

i think a lot of us as bulls fans speak with our hearts and not our heads

we fall in love with our players and over value them, and think every other team is supposed to do the same

im sorry but jimmy butler might be a sean elliot type at best. thinking he will develop into dwayne wade is delusional. we could lose jimmy in a deal, pick up tony allen and not lose 1 step

[Magilla_Gorilla]

As is usual for cases like this - Aldridge has suddenly been transformed by this board into the best PF since Karl Malone.* Aldridge is a very nice player, and I's love to have him on this team - but he is not a transcendent talent, and he is not a better player than Noah. Additionally Noah plays a more valuable (and harder to fill) position.

The point is to play Aldridge next to Noah, not in place of him.
















Clearly I am hyperbolizing, but you get the point.

[dmk08]

As is usual for cases like this - Aldridge has suddenly been transformed by this board into the best PF since Karl Malone.* Aldridge is a very nice player, and I's love to have him on this team - but he is not a transcendent talent, and he is not a better player than Noah. Additionally Noah plays a more valuable (and harder to fill) position.

The point is to play Aldridge next to Noah, not in place of him.
















Clearly I am hyperbolizing, but you get the point.

Agree 100%. The LMA trade does not look good to me if Noah isn't on the court with him. To me that's the whole point.

[mschmidt64]

You want to wait 3 years for a Harrison Barnes-level player?

With other pieces, yes. I think Barnes is going to end up being an 18 ppg wing.

The disconnect is our perceived value of Aldridge. I'd rather have him than Kevin Love.

Apparently so because I view him as inferior to Love.

[Mech Engineer]

I just don't understand the constant undervaluing of the Bulls players. Off-course, they have faults in their games but this LMA led team couldn't beat out a self-destructing/old/injured team like the Lakers for the 8th spot while a Derrick Rose less team with a little more health could have been a top 3 seed.

Thibs is great but there is something going on with the players who execute his schemes. The bottom-line is there is no way the Bulls should be giving up Noah even in a moment of weakness.

[Indomitable]

Mirotic will be good...2 time mvp in the best euroleague....bulls know he will be good, he's not bargnani imo

I don't think he is either I'm just saying he's not a proven NBA asset and Kevin Love is. I think its crazy so many people are so hell bent on holding onto Jimmy Butler. I love him too but if it's for a legit #2 option see ya.

I agree

[xpmar9x]

Not sure what's been said... i've been off the grid for the day and half, and don't feel like reading 76 pages.

Could we work a 3-way deal w/ Cleveland?

Chi gets: LMA & Matthews
Cle gets: Deng & Rip
Por gets: Waiters, Taj, #19, & Bobcats Pick

Cleveland goes with McLemore or Oladipo #1 (Irving-#1-Deng-TT-Varejo). Portland has at worst a lineup of: Lilliard-Waiters-Batum-Taj-Leonard w/ only $28.9 mil in guar salaries & #10, #19, #39, #40, and #45. They can opt to also go out and spend on a big name FA.

Bulls now have:
Rose - Hinrich - Teague
Matthews -
Butler -
Alridge -
Noah -

w/ #20 & #49. Lots of options & would HAVE to amnesty Boozer.

[Just_Bullz]

If i'm Portland, no way i don't ask for Noah if i'm trading with the Bulls.

If i'm Chicago, no way i trade Noah for LMA as i want them to play together.

Thus, no trade will happen between Bulls and Blazers.

[Indomitable]

Not sure what's been said... i've been off the grid for the day and half, and don't feel like reading 76 pages.

Could we work a 3-way deal w/ Cleveland?

Chi gets: LMA & Matthews
Cle gets: Deng & Rip
Por gets: Waiters, Taj, #19, & Bobcats Pick

Cleveland goes with McLemore or Oladipo #1 (Irving-#1-Deng-TT-Varejo). Portland has at worst a lineup of: Lilliard-Waiters-Batum-Taj-Leonard w/ only $28.9 mil in guar salaries & #10, #19, #39, #40, and #45. They can opt to also go out and spend on a big name FA.

Bulls now have:
Rose - Hinrich - Teague
Matthews -
Butler -
Alridge -
Noah -

w/ #20 & #49. Lots of options & would HAVE to amnesty Boozer.

I wish we had kept Asik because we could then afford to move Noah

[The Force.]

As is usual for cases like this - Aldridge has suddenly been transformed by this board into the best PF since Karl Malone.* Aldridge is a very nice player, and I's love to have him on this team - but he is not a transcendent talent, and he is not a better player than Noah. Additionally Noah plays a more valuable (and harder to fill) position.

The point is to play Aldridge next to Noah, not in place of him.

I disagree and think it's a relative scenario based on who is a better fit for which team. If you swapped Noah and LMA do you think Portland would be better? Would Chicago be worse?

LMA fills a a gaping hole on this team, and possesses a skill-set that's harder to find that Noah's. Of course, this is only my opinion.

[Ice the knees]

I just don't understand the constant undervaluing of the Bulls players. Off-course, they have faults in their games but this LMA led team couldn't beat out a self-destructing/old/injured team like the Lakers for the 8th spot while a Derrick Rose less team with a little more health could have been a top 3 seed.

Thibs is great but there is something going on with the players who execute his schemes. The bottom-line is there is no way the Bulls should be giving up Noah even in a moment of weakness.

I don't see it as undervaluing. I see it as what is known.

We have guys who are injury prone and struggle in the playoffs. They are good, but they are definitely not without their flaws.

The same goes for just about every player. There is always a weakness.

This is just the nature of trade talk. You know what you have and you know what you want. It's not undervaluing Deng to bring up how injured/poor of a shooter he is when talking about moving him for LMA. It's just something that has to be discussed. Same with Noah and his injuries and penchant for some really really bad games

FWIW I don't want to ship off Jo

[xpmar9x]

Not sure what's been said... i've been off the grid for the day and half, and don't feel like reading 76 pages.

Could we work a 3-way deal w/ Cleveland?

Chi gets: LMA & Matthews
Cle gets: Deng & Rip
Por gets: Waiters, Taj, #19, & Bobcats Pick

Cleveland goes with McLemore or Oladipo #1 (Irving-#1-Deng-TT-Varejo). Portland has at worst a lineup of: Lilliard-Waiters-Batum-Taj-Leonard w/ only $28.9 mil in guar salaries & #10, #19, #39, #40, and #45. They can opt to also go out and spend on a big name FA.

Bulls now have:
Rose - Hinrich - Teague
Matthews -
Butler -
Alridge -
Noah -

w/ #20 & #49. Lots of options & would HAVE to amnesty Boozer.

I wish we had kept Asik because we could then afford to move Noah

No, we could then trade Asik for LMA.

LMA isn't worth Noah, it's that simple.

[RoseTheFuture22]

I just don't understand the constant undervaluing of the Bulls players. Off-course, they have faults in their games but this LMA led team couldn't beat out a self-destructing/old/injured team like the Lakers for the 8th spot while a Derrick Rose less team with a little more health could have been a top 3 seed.

Thibs is great but there is something going on with the players who execute his schemes. The bottom-line is there is no way the Bulls should be giving up Noah even in a moment of weakness.

Not exactly fair, the west is a lot more difficult and Portland's guys 6-10 were probably as bad as anyone else in the league(I believe they were bottom of the league in bench scoring).

That being said I would not want to trade Noah for him either, but I would be willing to give up Jimmy and whatever else Portland wants.

[Proven_Winner]

As is usual for cases like this - Aldridge has suddenly been transformed by this board into the best PF since Karl Malone.* Aldridge is a very nice player, and I's love to have him on this team - but he is not a transcendent talent, and he is not a better player than Noah. Additionally Noah plays a more valuable (and harder to fill) position.

The point is to play Aldridge next to Noah, not in place of him.

I disagree and think it's a relative scenario based on who is a better fit for which team. If you swapped Noah and LMA do you think Portland would be better? Would Chicago be worse?

LMA fills a a gaping hole on this team, and possesses a skill-set that's harder to find that Noah's. Of course, this is only my opinion.

I thought about this and I truly think if the blazers had Noah they would probably be in the playoffs because noah is more of a leader than Aldridge and it shows in his emotion and play. Jo may not always give u 20 and 10 but when you need him the most jo could go off for 30 just of hustling.

[Chitownbulls]

If you lose Noah, next year you go after Marcin Gortat....he's takes Noah place and plays great. Plus he's cheaper

But for the record, I want rose aldridge an noah together if possible.

Bulls could be thinking this....

Rose
Top SG FA (boozers amnesty money), nate rob
Butler
Lma, Mirotic
Gortat, #20 pick Plumlee

Deng ends up walking or we try to get a pick or something out of him...bulls could also offer a guy like Greg Monroe a huge contract and see if detriot matches it

[MalikJoakim24]

Yes

Me too.

Maybe Jimmy, Taj, Rip, #20, Char pick can get them to bite. It'd take a lot to get it done.

i would not give up jimmy for anything tbh

Don't overrate players.

[Mech Engineer]

I just don't understand the constant undervaluing of the Bulls players. Off-course, they have faults in their games but this LMA led team couldn't beat out a self-destructing/old/injured team like the Lakers for the 8th spot while a Derrick Rose less team with a little more health could have been a top 3 seed.

Thibs is great but there is something going on with the players who execute his schemes. The bottom-line is there is no way the Bulls should be giving up Noah even in a moment of weakness.

Not exactly fair, the west is a lot more difficult and Portland's guys 6-10 were probably as bad as anyone else in the league(I believe they were bottom of the league in bench scoring).

That being said I would not want to trade Noah for him either, but I would be willing to give up Jimmy and whatever else Portland wants.

They won 33 games with a Rookie of the year. They had plenty of talent to win more on paper(Batum, Aldridge, Lillard, Matthews). All these guys will be looked upon as the guys the Bulls need except for Lillard who can be better than their counterparts on the Bulls.

The thing is most of these guys are good but not worth giving up everything from a 45-50 win roster. I am sure many people will say Batum>Deng, Matthews>Butler, Aldridge>Noah(in terms of talent). I understand you need to give something to get someone good. But, selling the farm is also foolish. The point is if you are trying to win now, selling the farm basically sets you back at some other position.

[DJhitek]

As an aside, I too value Kevin Love more because of his special ability to space the floor.

Love is also one dimensional and injury-prone.

So is Noah, so as we consider the fact we are splitting hairs when talking about three legitimate All-Stars and who fits let's assume neither Love or Aldridge are available and all of this is moot.

[Chitownbulls]

Jimmy taj rip 20 an charlotte pick is really interesting....Bulls still would have noah rose LMA an Mirotic coming over. Just sign a SG with Boozers amnesty money....could work

Rose
FA next summer
Deng or other free agent next summer
LMA, mirotic
Noah