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tensai wrote:If the bulls are not giving up Noah for LMA which is to be expected, prepare to lose both the rights to Mirotic and the bobcats pick.
And remember how much some of you wanted Bosh back in 2010? IMO, LMA is better than Bosh.
Indomitable wrote:dmk08 wrote:Chitownbulls wrote:Mirotic will be good...2 time mvp in the best euroleague....bulls know he will be good, he's not bargnani imo
I don't think he is either I'm just saying he's not a proven NBA asset and Kevin Love is. I think its crazy so many people are so hell bent on holding onto Jimmy Butler. I love him too but if it's for a legit #2 option see ya.
I agree
bledredwine wrote:Aldridge is a proven bonified ass kicker who sticks it to the elite PFs in the league and is clutch as well.
bledredwine wrote:Oh my god people are overrating Jo. He's awesome defensively and on the boards, bit we have such a gaping hole on offense esp in the post that for us, LMA>>>Jo. It's so rare to find a PF as offensively talented as LMA and with Thibs, our defense will be great no matter what. But if we landed LMa, offensive coldspells would be birtually unheard of. Think about Rose, Jimmy, LMA, Deng, Taj? That's dangerous! Of course Bulls should try to trade less first or wait if they're confident in landing better (k love) in the future. I love Jo, but he's not going to age as well as LMA esp given LmAs rare skillset and even ability to hit the three. It's rare that you land a player like him. Jo is great but in the past we've been fine without him in the lineup. Take LMA off the blazers, watch them suck all season. Other thing of course is Jos nice contract, but good offense>good defense and Aldridge is a proven bonified ass kicker who sticks it to the elite PFs in the league and is clutch as well.
Chitownbulls wrote:Aldridge vs Bulls this year...
28pts 8reb 2blks 14-23 60% fg!!!!
18pts 13reb 6-14fg 6-8ft
He dominate us....if you guys haven't seen much of LMA...go check out his game logs...he's an easy all star. BEAST
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Just throwing chit against the wall:
CHI: LaMarcus Aldridge
BRK: Carlos Boozer
POR: Kris Humprhies, Jimmy Butler, Thomas Robinson, CHA 1st, Future 1st
We keep Mirotic and we part with Gibson at some point in the future in a trade for a SG/SF.
bledredwine wrote:Oh my god people are overrating Jo. He's awesome defensively and on the boards, bit we have such a gaping hole on offense esp in the post that for us, LMA>>>Jo.
Former Roy wrote:bledredwine wrote:Aldridge is a proven bonified ass kicker who sticks it to the elite PFs in the league and is clutch as well.
Yep
I've seen LA treat Tim Duncan like he was not AT ALL a future HOF'er
He BEASTS in the west...imagine what he'd do in the east all season long
20 & 10 easy
kulaz3000 wrote:People need to quit the crap with slotting LaMarcus at the 5 spot, because he won't play it, at least not willingly. The Blazers played a 6'8 guy at the 5 spot, so LaMarcus wouldn't complain about being bruised down there for crying out loud. Let's be real, as good as he is offensively he is a soft big man, arguably softer than Carlos, y'all need to know that.
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Chitownbulls wrote:Oh my god people are overrating Jo. He's awesome defensively and on the boards, bit we have such a gaping hole on offense esp in the post that for us, LMA>>>Jo.
You do realize that nearly all of LMA's offense comes off of an 18 foot jumpshot - right?
Not only is Noah the better defender, and rebounder (by a significant margin), he's also the better passer and much better C.
LMA is significantly better than Noah at taking the least efficient shot in basketball.
coldfish wrote:DJhitek wrote:coldfish wrote:http://hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx
Sort by attempts from 16-23 feet. You will find, for the entire NBA, its:
1. Lamarcus Aldridge 7.3
2. Derozan 5.8
We have been over this with Luol at great length. That's an awful shot. Its losing basketball. When Deng was doing it, he didn't lead the entire NBA in doing it by almost 20% either. That stat is nuts and its why his scoring efficiency is so low. At 41%, teams are probably begging him to take it too. 77% were assisted, meaning that he is just hanging out there waiting for a catch and shoot.
Aldridge doesn't have 3p range and he doesn't have good percentages or volumes closer to the hoop either. Its only directly at the rim where his percentage goes up.
If Aldridge plays on Chicago like he did in Portland, I'm not sure he improves the offense at all. . . . . and there are people willing to give up Noah for him !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
The grass isn't always greener.
I understand the notion for these type of statistics, but you are comparing apples and oranges. Aldridge is a guy we can dump the ball into on one side of the floor and he can generate offense on his own. Just because it's from 15-17 feet doesn't mean he is less effective.
I'm not understating Noah's impact, but we wouldn't lose that much defensively. As much credit as we give Noah, he can never stay healthy, doesn't generate enough offense for himself and that won't ever change. It's not a ridiclulous statment to say Noah for Aldridge is a even deal.
On offense, LMA makes about 41% of those long shots. That means on average, he generates 0.82 points per attempt, which by definition means it is less effective. There are times where guys are called to take that shot as a bailout and in that case, a shot is better than no shot. However, the fact that he is getting assisted almost 80% of the time from that range shows that he is camping out there.
As far as Noah, people are underestimating his defensive impact. Thibodeau requires his big men to act like free safeties who run the defense. They call out assignments to their teammates. When you see Bulls players flying around on defense, its probably because a big man told them to. Noah said it took him some time to pick the assignments up. I can only assume that it would be the same with LMA.
Beyond that, Noah is quick. He might be the quickest 7 footer in the NBA. Given that the whole layered defense is predicated on big man help, this is really important to the defense.
I'll summarize it this way. Everyone wants to beat Miami. Miami features two slashers in Wade and Lebron that the Bulls specialize in stopping on the interior. If you harm Chicago's ability to perform help defense, you are going to have to have a massive increase in offense to make up for it and beat Miami. LMA, the way he plays now, isn't a massive upgrade in offense.
Note: I'm not saying no to LMA. I'm just trying to point out that he isn't a superstar. He is an upgrade, but if the price is too high, which it probably is, I think a trade actually dampens the Bulls' future.
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Chitownbulls wrote:Oh my god people are overrating Jo. He's awesome defensively and on the boards, bit we have such a gaping hole on offense esp in the post that for us, LMA>>>Jo.
You do realize that nearly all of LMA's offense comes off of an 18 foot jumpshot - right?
Not only is Noah the better defender, and rebounder (by a significant margin), he's also the better passer and much better C.
LMA is significantly better than Noah at taking the least efficient shot in basketball.
kulaz3000 wrote:People need to quit the crap with slotting LaMarcus at the 5 spot, because he won't play it, at least not willingly. The Blazers played a 6'8 guy at the 5 spot, so LaMarcus wouldn't complain about being bruised down there for crying out loud. Let's be real, as good as he is offensively he is a soft big man, arguably softer than Carlos, y'all need to know that.
Chitownbulls wrote:Magilla_Gorilla wrote:bledredwine wrote:Oh my god people are overrating Jo. He's awesome defensively and on the boards, bit we have such a gaping hole on offense esp in the post that for us, LMA>>>Jo.
You do realize that nearly all of LMA's offense comes off of an 18 foot jumpshot - right?
Not only is Noah the better defender, and rebounder (by a significant margin), he's also the better passer and much better C.
LMA is significantly better than Noah at taking the least efficient shot in basketball.
Ummm I never said that...you must have changed the name there buddy
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Magilla_Gorilla wrote:Chitownbulls wrote:Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
You do realize that nearly all of LMA's offense comes off of an 18 foot jumpshot - right?
Not only is Noah the better defender, and rebounder (by a significant margin), he's also the better passer and much better C.
LMA is significantly better than Noah at taking the least efficient shot in basketball.
Ummm I never said that...you must have changed the name there buddy
Sorry about that - I fixed the original.