According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

[Shill]

This isn't some standstill jumpshooter. If you closeout, he can take you to the basket with a full head of steam and finish. He can post you up. He can face you up. He can hit turnaround jumpers. He can get to the line. He's an underrated passer.

If he is all of those things - I have to wonder why his TS% is average at best and piss poor in comparison to other F/C.

Of the 78 F/C that avg'd 10 points per game - LMA was 55th in TS%

His efficiency isn't great because he doesn't draw a ton of fouls. Although efficiency is important, I give more weight to guys who are shot-makers. Aldridge is around 50% for his career.

He gets buckets.

[Former Roy]

The #7 from Sac or the #8 from Det seem to be the logical moves to aquire but can Deng get it done? He could still leave either of those teams next year and without a pick to show for it.

Not sure anything can happen their either unless their willing to overpay.

[dice]

Aldridge true field goal percentage and raw field goal percentages are great. Where is this notion coming from he isn't efficient? Every single year he has been consistently efficient.

TS% is where it's at, buddy

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Deng, Gibson and the Charlotte pick is a fair deal.

OKC received Kevin Martin (expiring like Deng, lesser player), Jeremy Lamb and the 12th pick in a weak draft.

I agree that Deng doesn't fit with portland, but he can be flipped for a top 10 pick this year.

I believe your proposal is more than fair.

This is no longer a big man league. It's now a guard/wing league where a player like Harden is a more valuable player than Aldridge.

[Chitownbulls]

LMA in the east is a all star every year. He's in the west playing against good bigs every night.

You keep saying this, but I'm not sure its true. Does the West really have the East outclassed in bigs anymore? I guess I'd need to give it some thought, but that isn't something I would have assumed.

Lopez
Chandler
Noah
Taj (you are talking about who he goes against, and Taj's defense is elite)
KG
Bynum
Bosh
Drummond
Monroe
Sideshow Bob
Hibbert
West
Sanders
Horford
Vucevic

The East's bigs are pretty good.

Howard
Asik
Duncan
Dirk
Griffin
Cousins
Ibaka
Bogut
Z-Bo
Marc Gasol
Davis
Love
Jefferson

That's pretty good too, but I'm not seeing a difference that is noteworthy at all. Particularly when you consider defense, which represents "who Aldridge would be going up against."

I think the west has more talented bigs. And I guess my main point is in the west...you have Blake griffin, Duncan, Marc gasol, Dwight, love, dirk all overlooking a guy like Aldridge in the all star game. In the east, the only real all stars are bosh, kg (going to be done soon), Lopez, maybe Hibbert an Horford but with the Bulls likely being a top team in the east, I can see them rewarding LMA much more than the other guys.

[DRoseCantStop]

Sounds like we got a haterrrrr.

Arguments are better when you respond to the content, not the poster.

The fact is the Aldridge is not a very efficient shooter. His value comes from taking a lot of shot versus making a high percentage. You could argue his efficiency would improve on the Bulls, or that his other strengths outweigh this weakness, but simply ignoring the fact isn't productive.

Arguments are pointless when you're in here 24-7 complaining about the same thing.

[BahamaBull]

A fair deal for the Blazers would be Butler+Gibson+CHA Pick...I know we need to work on salaries but centered around these 3 assets...Of course I would love to trade Deng instead but from a Blazers perspective this makes much more sense...

[aaqubed]

Deng, Gibson and the Charlotte pick is a fair deal.

OKC received Kevin Martin (expiring like Deng, lesser player), Jeremy Lamb and the 12th pick in a weak draft.

I agree that Deng doesn't fit with portland, but he can be flipped for a top 10 pick this year.

But that is the Bulls job to find the team now for Deng and not Portland's. The Blazers don't owe the Bulls anything, they don't need to take on Deng when they have Batum.

Any chance NO would be interested in Deng for Robin Lopez and the #6 pick? Lopez, Taj, #6, and #20 for Aldridge would be a very good return. For NO, it makes some sense because then they have their starting lineup of Vazquez, Gordon, Deng, Anderson and Davis.

[coldfish]

41% is also due to many isolation plays and contested jumpers as portland just flat out sucks. anyone saying aldridge isnt good is just ignorant and flat out wrong

About 80% of his long jumpers are assisted, meaning that they weren't iso's.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Aldridge isn't good. He is good. He isn't great though and what Portland wants for him is the type of package great players get.

.......

Random comment about Noah. Aldridge has two years left on his deal. Noah has only one more than that. Noah isn't going to like being in Portland any more than Aldridge. Maybe less. Given his history, he would probably be more vocal about it.

If I was Portland, I'm not sure I would even want Noah given the situation with LMA. Trading a disgruntled player for an even more disgruntled player isn't too smart. That is, unless you can get more than that.

How many people here would trade
Noah, Charlotte pick and Butler for LMA

It was never stated that Portland would just take Noah for Portland. They just wanted him included in the deal. That's why this discussion is rather pointless. What Portland wants for LMA and what Chicago is willing to give are soooooo far apart that its a fruitless discussion.

[Red Larrivee]

That's not LMA against everyone though. He plays less aggressive, more soft and shoots more Js vs other teams.

So wonder why he goes so hard vs us. Hard to say it would be our defense. Maybe LaMarcus has liked the idea of the Bulls for a while. Self showcase...

Or maybe he's a really good basketball player?

Since 2010-11, Aldridge's averages vs. the top teams in the East:

(25 games)
Miami: 25.2ppg, 8.8rebs, 51.6%fg
Chicago: 29.8ppg, 9.2rebs, 57.2%fg
Boston: 19.2ppg, 7.6rebs, 50%fg
Indiana: 20.2ppg, 8.6rebs, 42.4%fg
New York: 19.0ppg, 10.2rebs, 42.4%fg

Not as high against Indiana and New York, but those numbers overall are pretty good. Keep in mind all of this is as the focal point of the defensive concern.

[Chitownbulls]

Sounds like we got a haterrrrr.

Arguments are better when you respond to the content, not the poster.

The fact is the Aldridge is not a very efficient shooter. His value comes from taking a lot of shot versus making a high percentage. You could argue his efficiency would improve on the Bulls, or that his other strengths outweigh this weakness, but simply ignoring the fact isn't productive.

We also have to remember, he's the main option in Portland, he is the guy they looked to, to make difficult crunch time shots, he also gets double teamed quite a bit. I don't have a problem with his eff because I think that would improve on a bulls team.

Pick an roll DRose an LMA allllll dayyyyyy

[Ralphb07]

His TS% isn't bad though, He is a career mid 50. He is a jump shooting PF. IMO he is an ideal 2nd scorer. Rose and LMA is a nice 1-2 punch. You add shooters at the 2 & 3 and that is a squad.

[Shill]

Aldridge true field goal percentage and raw field goal percentages are great. Where is this notion coming from he isn't efficient? Every single year he has been consistently efficient.

TS% is where it's at, buddy

TS% doesn't tell the entire story.

Guys like Corey Maggette and Kevin Martin have great TS% because they're crafty foul-drawers, but they struggle to get buckets when it counts.

Rose and Aldridge are a bit similar in that regard. They play the game clean, and don't do a lot of the cheesy stuff to get to the line.

I'd like to see a little more of that from both of them, but not total reliance on tactics to boost efficiency.

[BuffaloBull]

This isn't some standstill jumpshooter. If you closeout, he can take you to the basket with a full head of steam and finish. He can post you up. He can face you up. He can hit turnaround jumpers. He can get to the line. He's an underrated passer.

If he is all of those things - I have to wonder why his TS% is average at best and piss poor in comparison to other F/C.

Of the 78 F/C that avg'd 10 points per game - LMA was 55th in TS%

It's because two main factors: 1) he doesn't get to the foul line a whole lot per shot (the tradeoff being, he turns it over less) and 2) he's ceding the paint and being a secondary cutter/offensive rebounder. Look at the Synergy stats. Hickson got 18.5% of his offense off of cuts and 17.7% of off O rebounds.

the problem we've had in Chicago with our bigs is that both Boozer and Noah need cuts and o boards to be efficient scorers, not to mention our wings like Deng and Jimmy who also want to go there. There is only so much cutting space and o-rebound opportunity to go around, so trading some of that for a guy who can hit a jumpshot well (even if it isn't a high efficiency shot) and can post, ought to make it easier on things. It's hidden efficiency. His low turnover rate vs his usage (8.9% to 26.5) is also very valuable and adds up because that's more offensive rebound opportunites per offensive possession versus a higher turnover guy like Boozer (12.3% on 25.8).

[Chitownbulls]

That's not LMA against everyone though. He plays less aggressive, more soft and shoots more Js vs other teams.

So wonder why he goes so hard vs us. Hard to say it would be our defense. Maybe LaMarcus has liked the idea of the Bulls for a while. Self showcase...

Or maybe he's a really good basketball player?

Since 2010-11, Aldridge's averages vs. the top teams in the East:

(25 games)
Miami: 25.2ppg, 8.8rebs, 51.6%fg
Chicago: 29.8ppg, 9.2rebs, 57.2%fg
Boston: 19.2ppg, 7.6rebs, 50%fg
Indiana: 20.2ppg, 8.6rebs, 42.4%fg
New York: 19.0ppg, 10.2rebs, 42.4%fg

Not as high against Indiana and New York, but those numbers overall are pretty good. Keep in mind all of this is as the focal point of the defensive concern.

Red your racking up AND1's from me man...keep it up

[Red Larrivee]

what difference does skillset make when you don't put the ball in the hole consistently enough? basketball is not an artistic endeavor

At this point, you're going to be hard-pressed to find a high volume, uber-efficient scoring power forward that we can realistically obtain without giving up something big. Kevin Love might fit that bill the closest, but if they ask for Noah we'll be having this same conversation about how he's "not that good."

[Shill]

This isn't some standstill jumpshooter. If you closeout, he can take you to the basket with a full head of steam and finish. He can post you up. He can face you up. He can hit turnaround jumpers. He can get to the line. He's an underrated passer.

If he is all of those things - I have to wonder why his TS% is average at best and piss poor in comparison to other F/C.

Of the 78 F/C that avg'd 10 points per game - LMA was 55th in TS%

It's because two main factors: 1) he doesn't get to the foul line a whole lot per shot (the tradeoff being, he turns it over less) and 2) he's ceding the paint and being a secondary cutter/offensive rebounder. Look at the Synergy stats. Hickson got 18.5% of his offense off of cuts and 17.7% of off O rebounds.

the problem we've had in Chicago with our bigs is that both Boozer and Noah need cuts and o boards to be efficient scorers, not to mention our wings like Deng and Jimmy who also want to go there. There is only so much cutting space and o-rebound opportunity to go around, so trading some of that for a guy who can hit a jumpshot well (even if it isn't a high efficiency shot) and can post, ought to make it easier on things. It's hidden efficiency. His low turnover rate vs his usage (8.9% to 26.5) is also very valuable and adds up because that's more offensive rebound opportunites per offensive possession versus a higher turnover guy like Boozer (12.3% on 25.8).

Good post.

Aldridge would be a fantastic fit for the Bulls.

I understand it comes down to value, but we aren't selling this farm for him (ie including Noah), we gotta pull the trigger.

[Former Roy]

I believe LA could help Rose post his first 20-10 season in the L which would quite possibly prompt him to his 2nd MVP this season upcoming.

EVERYBODY should be availible EXCEPT D-Rose & our coach (since folks trying to trade for hc's now )

How is Rose/Aldridge/Mirotic not the best core of any going forward in the entire NBA? Only clear duo/trio that could be close is Harden/Howard/14-15 FA. I love Durant but I believe this is the season Derrick surpasses.

I'm sure I'm getting excited for nothing though. At the end of the day, they won't trade Joakim. They're not about that life.

[LobosJordan]

what difference does skillset make when you don't put the ball in the hole consistently enough? basketball is not an artistic endeavor

At this point, you're going to be hard-pressed to find a high volume, uber-efficient scoring power forward that we can realistically obtain without giving up something big. Kevin Love might fit that bill the closest, but if they ask for Noah we'll be having this same conversation about how he's "not that good."

It's because they don't want to find that player.

[Shill]

what difference does skillset make when you don't put the ball in the hole consistently enough? basketball is not an artistic endeavor

At this point, you're going to be hard-pressed to find a high volume, uber-efficient scoring power forward that we can realistically obtain without giving up something big. Kevin Love might fit that bill the closest, but if they ask for Noah we'll be having this same conversation about how he's "not that good."

And I'll be one of the "not that good" constituents.

Love is great, but he has no go-to move. If you need Love to get you a bucket, how does he do it?

He's not good in the post, he's not good from midrange, and he's not good off the bounce.

He's a very good three-point shooter and foul-drawer (partly due to his prowess on the offensive boards).

Again, Love is a great player. I just think Aldridge is a better fit.