According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

[LobosJordan]

If we wait until the end of time to get a Lebron or KD, we'll ultimately waste our window. I'd like to see us take a stab at one of those guys (Love, Aldridge, etc) and see what happens. To be great, we need to take a risk. Miami took one when they gutted their roster to free up enough space to bring in all three

the difference is that miami was going after a legit haul. LMA is decidedly NOT that

i've said it before and i'll say it again: building a poor man's heat team with lesser "stars" only locks us into second tier status. just like the knicks did. the only chance we have to beat the heat is to pound them inside and get great point guard play. ideally you get some three point shooting to play off derrick (martell webster would be a nice addition)

trading away our advantages to get a so-called "star" in LMA does not solve anything. given what would be required to obtain him, it would make the chicago bulls worse. it would reduce our chance of upsetting miami. i'm all for making good trades. this would not be one of them. now if kevin love becomes available? much more interesting situation

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

[TheStig]

I really can't see us trading Noah for Aldridge. I really can't see us trading Noah in a deal unless its part of a deal for a real star. Aldridge isn't that and won't be that. I'd be willing to do a deal centered around Deng and Gibson for Mathews and Aldridge. Obviously we would have to add something else but that would be deal I'd look for.

The only way I can see Noah being in this deal is if the Rockets are trying to dump Asik after they get Howard.

[Former Roy]

I really can't see us trading Noah for Aldridge. I really can't see us trading Noah in a deal unless its part of a deal for a real star. Aldridge isn't that and won't be that. I'd be willing to do a deal centered around Deng and Gibson for Mathews and Aldridge. Obviously we would have to add something else but that would be deal I'd look for.

The only way I can see Noah being in this deal is if the Rockets are trying to dump Asik after they get Howard.

A star like WHO? The FO already wouldn't give him up for Carmelo, whom do you wish to attain from parting with Noah?

[dice]

If we wait until the end of time to get a Lebron or KD, we'll ultimately waste our window. I'd like to see us take a stab at one of those guys (Love, Aldridge, etc) and see what happens. To be great, we need to take a risk. Miami took one when they gutted their roster to free up enough space to bring in all three

the difference is that miami was going after a legit haul. LMA is decidedly NOT that

i've said it before and i'll say it again: building a poor man's heat team with lesser "stars" only locks us into second tier status. just like the knicks did. the only chance we have to beat the heat is to pound them inside and get great point guard play. ideally you get some three point shooting to play off derrick (martell webster would be a nice addition)

trading away our advantages to get a so-called "star" in LMA does not solve anything. given what would be required to obtain him, it would make the chicago bulls worse. it would reduce our chance of upsetting miami. i'm all for making good trades. this would not be one of them. now if kevin love becomes available? much more interesting situation

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

the idea is to build on 2011, not blow it up. overreaction is the surest way to fall out of contention. throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks is the isiah thomas method

[Jimmy Forums]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

[Kingjju4]

I kind of like Sacramento as the 3rd team involved.

Bulls In: LMA
Bulls Out: Gibson / Deng / 2015 pick

Sac In: Deng / Gibson
Sac Out: Cousins, 2013 1st round 7th pick

Portland In: Cousins, Sac's 7th round pick, Bulls 2015 pick
Portland Out: LMA

[mschmidt64]

I agree, Red. If we wait until the end of time to get a Lebron or KD, we'll ultimately waste our window.

Not if you keep refreshing that window by preserving big time future assets like Mirotic and a future top-10 Charlotte pick. Look at San Antonio. They have built a nice group around 30+ assets in Duncan and Parker. Rose can be the same.

[chadrucf]

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

Without even discussing the merits of that season as an example of what that method entails, you cannot use one season's result to make a broader comment about the team's viability or the viability of an entire team building philosophy. Your argument has too many faults and counter-examples to mention.

[dice]

I really can't see us trading Noah for Aldridge. I really can't see us trading Noah in a deal unless its part of a deal for a real star. Aldridge isn't that and won't be that. I'd be willing to do a deal centered around Deng and Gibson for Mathews and Aldridge. Obviously we would have to add something else but that would be deal I'd look for.

The only way I can see Noah being in this deal is if the Rockets are trying to dump Asik after they get Howard.

A star like WHO?

kevin love?

The FO already wouldn't give him up for Carmelo

which looks smarter with each passing year

[TheStig]

I really can't see us trading Noah for Aldridge. I really can't see us trading Noah in a deal unless its part of a deal for a real star. Aldridge isn't that and won't be that. I'd be willing to do a deal centered around Deng and Gibson for Mathews and Aldridge. Obviously we would have to add something else but that would be deal I'd look for.

The only way I can see Noah being in this deal is if the Rockets are trying to dump Asik after they get Howard.

A star like WHO? The FO already wouldn't give him up for Carmelo, whom do you wish to attain from parting with Noah?

I would have traded him for Melo but that was back when we had Asik. Melo is clearly on a different level from Aldridge. I would want a real star for Noah. A top 20 player.

[DRoseCantStop]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Love it.

[LobosJordan]

the difference is that miami was going after a legit haul. LMA is decidedly NOT that

i've said it before and i'll say it again: building a poor man's heat team with lesser "stars" only locks us into second tier status. just like the knicks did. the only chance we have to beat the heat is to pound them inside and get great point guard play. ideally you get some three point shooting to play off derrick (martell webster would be a nice addition)

trading away our advantages to get a so-called "star" in LMA does not solve anything. given what would be required to obtain him, it would make the chicago bulls worse. it would reduce our chance of upsetting miami. i'm all for making good trades. this would not be one of them. now if kevin love becomes available? much more interesting situation

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

the idea is to build on 2011, not blow it up. overreaction is the surest way to fall out of contention. throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks is the isiah thomas method

Losing Luol Deng and Taj Gibson isn't blowing up anything. The core is Rose and Noah. I bet you were somebody in 95 who said, We won a lot games without Jordan!! We don't need to make any moves at all. Why blow it up?

[chadrucf]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Both trades are way too good for Chicago. You think Deng is worth more than the #1 pick this year?

[otwok]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Why does Cleveland do that?

No way is Deng worth the 1st and 31st.

[aaqubed]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Cleveland's not trading the #1 for Deng.

[bullslas]

I kind of like Sacramento as the 3rd team involved.

Bulls In: LMA
Bulls Out: Gibson / Deng / 2015 pick

Sac In: Deng / Gibson
Sac Out: Cousins, 2013 1st round 7th pick

Portland In: Cousins, Sac's 7th round pick, Bulls 2015 pick
Portland Out: LMA

And why does Sac do that? Let's get real guys.

[JackFinn]

While LaMarcus' scoring efficiency is a little below league average, Boozer is no longer the efficient monstrosity he was in Utah. LaMarcus' inferior rebounding to Boozer is made up for by his superior defense.

Most importantly, Carlos was assisted on 72% of his shots year before last. With LaMarcus it's 53%, confirming the eye test. He would fill a hugely gaping need for us. I still would rather have a guy like Kevin Love, but I would be ecstatic with LaMarcus. Also, I seriously doubt we're getting LaMarcus before the season starts if they rejected a #1 pick for him.

I don't use last year as indicative of what Boozer will do next year, because it's obvious that Derrick's absence hurt him. Both his assisted shots and efficiency went down.

[Jimmy Forums]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Why does Cleveland do that?

No way is Deng worth the 1st and 31st.

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd. He makes Cleveland a playoff team immediately, and could be the best player available to them.

1 and 31 is also a step down from the 1 and 19 they offered for Aldridge, so that seems proportionate.

[chadrucf]

I kind of like Sacramento as the 3rd team involved.

Bulls In: LMA
Bulls Out: Gibson / Deng / 2015 pick

Sac In: Deng / Gibson
Sac Out: Cousins, 2013 1st round 7th pick

Portland In: Cousins, Sac's 7th round pick, Bulls 2015 pick
Portland Out: LMA

That's really bad for Sacramento. Cousins is a star player with attitude problems.

[RastaBull]

If we wait until the end of time to get a Lebron or KD, we'll ultimately waste our window. I'd like to see us take a stab at one of those guys (Love, Aldridge, etc) and see what happens. To be great, we need to take a risk. Miami took one when they gutted their roster to free up enough space to bring in all three

the difference is that miami was going after a legit haul. LMA is decidedly NOT that

i've said it before and i'll say it again: building a poor man's heat team with lesser "stars" only locks us into second tier status. just like the knicks did. the only chance we have to beat the heat is to pound them inside and get great point guard play. ideally you get some three point shooting to play off derrick (martell webster would be a nice addition)

trading away our advantages to get a so-called "star" in LMA does not solve anything. given what would be required to obtain him, it would make the chicago bulls worse. it would reduce our chance of upsetting miami. i'm all for making good trades. this would not be one of them. now if kevin love becomes available? much more interesting situation

I totally get your point, and agree that LMA is not nearly equal to Miami's "legit haul". The rests of your points certainly valid too.

As someone who isn't overly optimistic about LMA nad really taking a minute to pay attention to his flaws/shortcomings...I would like your take in a comparison of LMA and Bosh. They kinda seem very similar in "star" level too me (thinking of Bosh leading up to Miami signing). Best player on small market team, puts up very goo scoring stats on page, regarded as softer bigs, never showed they can carry their teams far at all. What do you think? Which do you think would be suited as MORE of a second scorer/option (understanding from your previous posts you likely don't believe either could best fill that void).