According to Mike McGraw, Aldridge wants the Bulls

[The Explorer]

Noah should definitely not be dealt. The Bulls have a decided advantage over Miami in rebounding, and he's the biggest reason why. You don't give that up unless its for a top player in the league. The Bulls have to exploit Miami's weakness as much as possible. Aldridge helps in paint scoring and shot creation, so you give up some combination of Deng Boozer Cha pick, Mirotic, Gibson. None of those guys exploit Miami's weaknesses the way a Noah/Aldridge frontcourt would.

That being said, even if they get Aldridge (doubtful), they still need a lot of help in 3pt shooting and would need to acquire a few pieces for perimeter shooting.

[chadrucf]

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd.

It has already been reported that the was nothing to the Deng for #1 or #3 picks. And he's certainly not worth either.

[LobosJordan]

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

Without even discussing the merits of that season as an example of what that method entails, you cannot use one season's result to make a broader comment about the team's viability or the viability of an entire team building philosophy. Your argument has too many faults and counter-examples to mention.

This team failed as currently constructed. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Not only did it fail in 2011. It has failed to stay healthy the past two seasons. It has been a total failure in two aspects. What don't you understand?

[otwok]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

Why does Cleveland do that?

No way is Deng worth the 1st and 31st.

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd. He makes Cleveland a playoff team immediately, and could be the best player available to them.

1 and 31 is also a step down from the 1 and 19 they offered for Aldridge, so that seems proportionate.

Then I think our values of Deng are different. Deng would be a one year rental for the Cavs, they aren't trading away a #1 for a rental that isn't even going to alter their franchise in a significant way. Most likely, they get Deng and then he opts for wrist surgery before training camp missing a junk of the season.

[SpinninHouse]

If we wait until the end of time to get a Lebron or KD, we'll ultimately waste our window. I'd like to see us take a stab at one of those guys (Love, Aldridge, etc) and see what happens. To be great, we need to take a risk. Miami took one when they gutted their roster to free up enough space to bring in all three

the difference is that miami was going after a legit haul. LMA is decidedly NOT that

i've said it before and i'll say it again: building a poor man's heat team with lesser "stars" only locks us into second tier status. just like the knicks did. the only chance we have to beat the heat is to pound them inside and get great point guard play. ideally you get some three point shooting to play off derrick (martell webster would be a nice addition)

trading away our advantages to get a so-called "star" in LMA does not solve anything. given what would be required to obtain him, it would make the chicago bulls worse. it would reduce our chance of upsetting miami. i'm all for making good trades. this would not be one of them. now if kevin love becomes available? much more interesting situation

First off, we tried your method and it failed unequivocally. Second of all, if we make a trade involving Deng, Mirotic, and the Charlotte pick -- we'd only be losing one core piece. And the core piece (Luol) hasn't been the same since he tore his ligament. And the production Luol gave us the second half of 2012 and the majority of 2013 would be significantly less than a guy like Aldridge or Love.

You have to roll the dice if Luol is the only core piece we're giving up. He'll walk next year anyways in all likelihood.

[Former Roy]

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd. He makes Cleveland a playoff team immediately, and could be the best player available to them.

1 and 31 is also a step down from the 1 and 19 they offered for Aldridge, so that seems proportionate.

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I have some Green Dwarf, Sour Smurf, KushBerry & Sour Diesel....what do YOUUU have?

[Jimmy Forums]

Then I think our values of Deng are different. Deng would be a one year rental for the Cavs, they aren't trading away a #1 for a rental that isn't even going to alter their franchise in a significant way. Most likely, they get Deng and then he opts for wrist surgery before training camp missing a junk of the season.

That's where we differ. I think Cleveland is Deng away from Deng being willing to resign. It'll take care of itself.

[jmajew]

How about this:

Bulls get: LMA, Wesley Matthews,
Cavs get: Deng and #10
Portland gets: Boozer, Asik, #1, #19
Houston gets: Mirotic

Bulls: Rose, Matthews, Butler, LMA, Noah, Gibson, Hinrich, Teague, & #20
Cavs: Irving, Waiters, Deng, Thompson, Varejao, Zeller, Gee, #10
Portland: Lilliard, #1 (Mclemore), Batum, Boozer, Asik, #19
Houston: Gets cap room to sign Howard and the perfect cheap 4 to play next to him in the future.

[SpinninHouse]

Noah should definitely not be dealt. The Bulls have a decided advantage over Miami in rebounding, and he's the biggest reason why. You don't give that up unless its for a top player in the league. The Bulls have to exploit Miami's weakness as much as possible. Aldridge helps in paint scoring and shot creation, so you give up some combination of Deng Boozer Cha pick, Mirotic, Gibson. None of those guys exploit Miami's weaknesses the way a Noah/Aldridge frontcourt would.

That being said, even if they get Aldridge (doubtful), they still need a lot of help in 3pt shooting and would need to acquire a few pieces for perimeter shooting.

Agreed. Aldridge might be the better player but Noah brings more to the table than just on-court production. He's pretty close to being irreplaceable.

[Kingjju4]

I kind of like Sacramento as the 3rd team involved.

Bulls In: LMA
Bulls Out: Gibson / Deng / 2015 pick

Sac In: Deng / Gibson
Sac Out: Cousins, 2013 1st round 7th pick

Portland In: Cousins, Sac's 7th round pick, Bulls 2015 pick
Portland Out: LMA

That's really bad for Sacramento. Cousins is a star player with attitude problems.

Exactly. Attitude problems and wants a max contract. Do they want to continue to live with that? Although, I feel they should get something else out of the deal.... or maybe this allows them to keep Tyreke.

[Jimmy Forums]

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd. He makes Cleveland a playoff team immediately, and could be the best player available to them.

1 and 31 is also a step down from the 1 and 19 they offered for Aldridge, so that seems proportionate.

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I have some Green Dwarf, Sour Smurf, KushBerry & Sour Diesel....what do YOUUU have?

Had some Blue Dream come through last week. This week...I'm not sure what it is, but it smells a lot like lemons.

[Eduardo]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

So cleveland is trading their number 1 pick for deng AND moving down in the 2nd round? LOL iv seen it all. You're pretty much saying deng is worth more than the 1st round pick. you're overvaluing deng way too much.

[Former Roy]

Lol what? Yes he is. Deng is definitely worth 1 overall this year and a move back in the 2nd. He makes Cleveland a playoff team immediately, and could be the best player available to them.

1 and 31 is also a step down from the 1 and 19 they offered for Aldridge, so that seems proportionate.

..

I have some Green Dwarf, Sour Smurf, KushBerry & Sour Diesel....what do YOUUU have?

Had some Blue Dream come through last week. This week...I'm not sure what it is, but it smells a lot like lemons.

Super Lemon Haze is floating around right now..

or it could be OG OGRE

[chadrucf]

We already tried your method. In 2011, and it failed.

Without even discussing the merits of that season as an example of what that method entails, you cannot use one season's result to make a broader comment about the team's viability or the viability of an entire team building philosophy. Your argument has too many faults and counter-examples to mention.

This team failed as currently constructed. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Not only did it fail in 2011. It has failed to stay healthy the past two seasons. It has been a total failure in two aspects. What don't you understand?

We haven't seen the current team actually compete. You cannot say this team will consistently have injury issues. You are being reactionary.

How can you say that one team failing in one season is an indictment on an entire team building philosophy? Do you not care about the implications of that statement?

[red222]

Chris Haynes of CSNNW.com reports that Portland Trail Blazers All-Star forward LaMarcus Aldridge wants to see improvement made around him on the roster and is interested in a trade if the moves aren't made.

Does Aldridge want out of Portland? Yes and no, a source close to the 6-10 forward informed CSNNW.com. If Portland doesn't have plans to drastically improve its roster in time for the 2013-14 NBA season, Aldridge would prefer to be moved, and his first choice would be Chicago, the source said.

The source also said Aldridge wouldn't mind being dealt to the Dallas Mavericks to play in his hometown with the rising belief Dallas has a shot at Dwight Howard. Or to the Los Angeles Clippers, if a scenario such as that makes sense for the Clippers.

However, if Portland doesn't make the necessary adjustments Aldridge sees fit, he will come back to Portland and fulfill his contractual obligation and he won't be a problem, the source said.

"LaMarcus loves Portland," said the source. "He spent seven years there and grew as a man. Him going back is a possibility and he knows that. He's a professional, it wouldn't be an issue."
http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/6/27/44 ... e-to-bulls

[Jimmy Forums]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

So cleveland is trading their number 1 pick for deng AND moving down in the 2nd round? LOL iv seen it all. You're pretty much saying deng is worth more than the 1st round pick. you're overvaluing deng way too much.

Let me tell you something, Squidward.

I will never respond to you.

[Eduardo]

I've got a feeling this is roughly what we're gonna see.

Cleveland in: Luol Deng, #49
Cleveland out: #1, #31

Portland:
Taj Gibson, rights to #1 (Alex Len), Rip Hamilton, $1 million (for the buyout, as well as evening the salaries), #31, the rights to our pick whichever year we get the CHA pick (you guys like what I did there?), and the rights to our 1st-rounder the year after that too.

aka Portland in: Taj, #1, #31, two future firsts, and Rip.
Portland out: Aldridge, #10

Chicago in: Aldridge, #10
Chicago out: Deng, Taj, Rip, #49, 2 future 1st-rounders (one of which is the worse of two picks)

#20 on the side with Houston for Thomas Robinson.

Amnesty Boozer.

So cleveland is trading their number 1 pick for deng AND moving down in the 2nd round? LOL iv seen it all. You're pretty much saying deng is worth more than the 1st round pick. you're overvaluing deng way too much.

Let me tell you something, Squidward.

I will never respond to you.

the true question is, why trade deng for the #1 when we can trade him for kevin love straight up?

[LobosJordan]

Without even discussing the merits of that season as an example of what that method entails, you cannot use one season's result to make a broader comment about the team's viability or the viability of an entire team building philosophy. Your argument has too many faults and counter-examples to mention.

This team failed as currently constructed. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Not only did it fail in 2011. It has failed to stay healthy the past two seasons. It has been a total failure in two aspects. What don't you understand?

We haven't seen the current team actually compete. You cannot say this team will consistently have injury issues. You are being reactionary.

How can you say that one team failing in one season is an indictment on an entire team building philosophy? Do you not care about the implications of that statement?

Because that one season was two years ago kid. Times have changed. Players aren't the same, and the Heat have won 2 titles. Please wake up and smell the coffee. This team had two seasons after they failed in 2011, and they failed both seasons to stay healthy. Three seasons with the same core players is more than enough to see if this team can
1. Stay healthy
2. Beat the Heat
How many more seasons do you want? Is this the season you make up your mind? Please do tell.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Nothing has happened in hours. All of these deals are dead.

[JackFinn]

You cannot say this team will consistently have injury issues. You are being reactionary.

I don't think that's reactionary anymore. Derrick failed to return this past year and was hobbled all year in 11/12. Kirk has had 3 straight injury plagued seasons now. Boozer, Noah, Deng, and Rip all have very long injury histories.