KG and Pierce to Brooklyn?

[165bows]

I'd do KG and Bass for Kris Humphries and an unprotected 2016 no. 1 draft choice.

We dump a salary and get a pick.

the trade works by ESPN trade checker

Use math, not the checker. It's busted right now.

Math?!!?

[chum]

I think there is something to be said about sending KG and Pierce to a good place. A lot of people are against trading them because of how it would effect the Celtics image throughout the league. Trading Pierce to Cleveland isn't exactly fair to Pierce. Giving him a shot at a title with KG in Brooklyn is, and it would show some goodwill throughout the league that the C's will take care of their veterans.

I would do this as long as the picks are unprotected, and especially if you can dump one of Terry or Lee. Sure the picks are likely to be late first rounders, but you never know. The Nets will have $60m tied up among Williams, Lopez, and Johnson in three years.

Really the greatest asset in this trade is how it sets up the tank next year.

[Justin33]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GwashNBAGlobe/status/350333337996505088[/tweet]

This DON'T AVOID THE FILTER - slart should never be quoted as a source

[ddb]

this trade is a nightmare. Nothing about is good. Even if they get Wiggins next year you still have Wallace for 2 more years who plays the same freakin position has Wiggins/Parker and a guy we already have in Green. I hate it. Nothing about this deal is good. late first round picks spread out over 5 years? ewww.

The expiring deal of Hump is simply offset by the garbage deal that Wallace has. Brooklyn HANDCUFFED themselves with the Wallace deal and EVERYONE across the league knew it the moment he signed the contract. Now Ainge wants to bail those bums out? DON'T DO IT. I can stand to see PP/KG return to the Garden once for a tribute video and standing ovation. I CANNOT deal with seeing them all season long

I don't think you are appreciating how limited Ainge's options really are. Wallace could easily return to form of a year ago and be a trade asset at the deadline or in the offseason.

maybe, but I doubt it. I'm just not a Wallace guy. I didn't like him in Sacto or anywhere else he's been. There's a reason he never sticks. teams are intrigued by his talent but then grow frustrated with his performance on the court.

[pp34thetruth_]

ESPN trade machine doesn't work properly.. Every impossible trade works.. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m23utus

typical high risk low reward move
i'd rather keep White than LeBron

[soxfan2003]

Guys pierce and Kg are 36 and 37 respectively . Stop expecting for other teams to give us they entire give us they entire good prospects and take on both lee and terry bad contracts. That's not happening. We are collecting assets that's what we are doing. I don't want josh smith here unless Dwight is coming with him.

Very few here are asking for teams to give us all their good prospects and take Lee and Terry and give us draft picks. All we're asking is not to take back Gerald Wallace's bad contract when we trade Pierce and KG for a couple first round picks. Nobody needs to take on our bad contracts or give us Brook Lopez for me to think we got a reasonable deal; I just don't want us to take their bad contracts in exchange for giving them two high quality veteran starters. It's not as if the Nets are doing us a favor by taking Pierce and KG off our hands. KG was an all star last season, and Pierce was an all star two seasons ago. They are genuinely good players and we shouldn't have to take back a horrendous contract to avail ourselves of them just to accumulate a few late first rounders.

Also, why are you resistant to Josh Smith coming but welcome Gerald Wallace with open arms? Josh Smith will probably only earn a few million more per year than Gerald Wallace, and he is three years younger and enormously better.

If Josh Smith went to the Celtics at a modest discount, some expect him to get 4 years 65 million and it could be as high as around 68 million. Other teams will probably be offering more. Remember Smith actually has the Joe Johnson contract as a reference point so I sort of think he wants huge dollars.

Wallace 3 years 30 million which is one year shorter and probably 7 million a year less. And taking on Wallace could get rid of Lee.

I'm not in favor of the Nets deal if all the picks are heavily lottery protected but I'd rather sign up for it then Josh Smith on a team not ready to seriously contend. In order to get Smith Boston would have to give up at least 1 first round pick.

If Ainge is trying to contend with Wallace its probably a very bad move but if he is trying to tank/rebuild with him on the team for 2-3 years, something fair to both sides could possibly be worked out if the Celtics call around looking for the best deal.

I want the best deal for KG/PP that makes then happy and gets the Celtics a reasonable return in the form of draft picks or perhaps first year nba players.

Ainge should certainly be calling around and find out what the best offer is.

[Justin33]

Since we seem to be sending out less salaries how big would the TPE potentially be

[AKFO]

Humphries, Wallace, Brooks, Shengelia, whoever they draft at 20, and their '14, '16, '18 firsts for Terry, KG, and Pierce should come pretty close salary wise.

[Frank Lucas]

I can't wait until we make a trade because this is driving me crazy. I really don't care what we get for Pierce and KG as long as it clear cap space and bring back some type of picks. It is time to turn the page folks. I'm not going to be upset over any return that we get as long as it gives up cap space and draft picks.

[AKFO]

If they are willing, I think we can actually maximize our return by dealing Pierce and KG to different teams.

of course you could.

the issue is, will garnett accept a trade somewhere if pierce isnt coming with him? im not sure.

Or we could send Pierce to a team that decides to buy him out for cap space, and then he can join Brooklyn for the mini mid

[soxfan2003]

I think there is something to be said about sending KG and Pierce to a good place. A lot of people are against trading them because of how it would effect the Celtics image throughout the league. Trading Pierce to Cleveland isn't exactly fair to Pierce. Giving him a shot at a title with KG in Brooklyn is, and it would show some goodwill throughout the league that the C's will take care of their veterans.

I would do this as long as the picks are unprotected, and especially if you can dump one of Terry or Lee. Sure the picks are likely to be late first rounders, but you never know. The Nets will have $60m tied up among Williams, Lopez, and Johnson in three years.

Really the greatest asset in this trade is how it sets up the tank next year.

Excellent post. 85% return on what a fair deal actually is PLUS making PP/KG happy is > then 110% return and ****** them off and ruining the Celtics image throughout the league for the next 6-7 years.

Ainge has to think about this. It really is a balancing act. I'm sure he knows it by how he handled the Rivers situation. The last thing Ainge wants is Rivers badmouthing the Celtics organization or KG/PP.

Antoine Walker or even (hypothetically) Rondo badmouthing the Celtics doesn't really hurt Boston at all but respected HOFers like PP and KG justifiably upset with not be good.

Ainge may be willing to accept a bit less since he knows that Wiggins/Parker and a top 5 pick next year will make up for the difference.

Obviously its his job to negotiate the best deal possibly under the circumstances and I'm convinced he is doing so.

The great news is this trade if consummated would give me much more reason to believe the Celtics are TANKING next year.

[soxfan2003]

If they are willing, I think we can actually maximize our return by dealing Pierce and KG to different teams.

of course you could.

the issue is, will garnett accept a trade somewhere if pierce isnt coming with him? im not sure.

Or we could send Pierce to a team that decides to buy him out for cap space, and then he can join Brooklyn for the mini mid

If that's possible its probably a better deal for the Celtics but could the Nets even sign PP to the MLE?.

[pp34thetruth_]

whats your take on this trade?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ksueom6

[Celts17Pride]

I can hear it now, Danny Ainge:

We were never close to any kind of a deal, it's my job as GM of the Celtics to take calls and listen to other teams. There was never anything close to a deal.

[165bows]

Since we seem to be sending out less salaries how big would the TPE potentially be

Good question.

KG 12.4
PP 15.3
Lee/Terry 5.2

Humphries 12
Wallace 10.1
Euro guys

Can't work it out exactly, but if all three go out, and the minimum amount comes back in, it could be as much as $7M. Might need someone to check that though.

[enzino]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mv38rky
my idea:
To Bos: humphries, 3 picks, cap relief
To Orl (which provides a large TPE): Lopez
To BN: #2, PP, KG, Terry

[FakeScreenName123]

Re: Afam's Trade Value Thesis



You just said this:

Furthermore , we shouldn't expect to get too much for them. If we take out Wallace , I do this dead in a heartbeat. Anyways since almost everyone keeps on mentioning on every deal we are involved in that this is a bad contract, what constitutes a bad contract on your eyes.

< Two weeks ago you said this:

hope danny ainge walks always and let the clippers be the clippers. What a Incompetent team from top too bottom. What an insulting offer. What has deandre Jordan done in his career for us to accept trading for him . Ainge should give the clippers till Wednesday to get real or simply walk away.

HA ha. We should take whatever the clips give us. So Should we accept a trade a Willie green, Caron butler for Kg doc and pierce too?

That is false. A overrated Jordan who can't shoot, all he does is dunk and dunk, plus he is owed 10 mil is not worth Kg, pierce, plus doc rivers. Either the clippers get real or ainge should walk away. I rather deal with the rockets than get Deandre Jordan the bust. Anyway what team do you rep?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1256199&start=405




So please, explain how KG/PP's trade value has dropped significantly OR how you have come to adjust your trade values towards "assests" OR defend this trade being better than the DeAndre Jordan trade.


Thanks.

[Justin33]

Since we seem to be sending out less salaries how big would the TPE potentially be

Good question.

KG 12.4
PP 15.3
Lee/Terry 5.2

Humphries 12
Wallace 10.1
Euro guys

Can't work it out exactly, but if all three go out, and the minimum amount comes back in, it could be as much as $7M. Might need someone to check that though.

Math is not my strong suit lol

[FlatearthZorro]

Honestly, I ain't a huge fan of the Nets, but Deron/Pierce/KG/Lopez/Average Joe should be at least good enough to go toe-to-toe with Miami and that's good enough for me.

[Celts17Pride]

from Gary Washburn:

The source added that the Celtics are in conversations with multiple teams about multiple players, meaning it could be an interesting draft night on Causeway Street.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... tics_blog/

Should be fun!