Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

[Knighthonor]

^^
I think the last time we tried to get a good group together to watch the NBA draft at a restaurant/bar was the year they made the trade for Jamison so we just cancelled it. So hopefully we don't have a repeat type thing this year.

I don't understand why there is so much Jamison bashing around here. He was very great player here in DC. Yeah he didn't go to the championship, but not all teams do that ether. Some HOFers never did that.

[stevemcqueen1]

The irony is that I find myself constantly arguing against the player I actually prefer because of the way the discussion of Porter and Bennett has formed and the fact that I find so many of the arguments against Bennett inaccurate and fallacious. It's exhausting. There is not a real dichotomy between Bennett and Porter. They share a lot of value. I don't buy that there must be mutually exclusive Bennett and Porter camps.

[thricethefun]

I think the argument that OP is not athletic enough has been refuted.

re Evan Turner - he's not been horrible. Just that Philly needed something
more than a 2nd/3rd option. Plus they really should have drafted a big
and there were 2 decent options there.

Guys who get paid to talk have to say something. Stuff like he's (OP)
is not good enough at any one thing sound to me like they are reaching.

I don't buy this at all. If you're drafting Porter with the hopes of him becoming an elite athlete you'll be disapointed. Porter is an average athlete that has really high BBIQ and a solid Jack of All Trades skillset. That's why you draft him.

There's a wide gulf between adequate athlete and elite athlete. Porter's not going to go out there and jam on people but it's not like he can't jump over a telephone book either. I fully expect Porter to be equally athletic - if not more, and equally skilled - if not more - than Josh Childress, Wilson Chandler, Chandler Parsons, Landry Fields, and a host of other SF's. The only red flag would be his weight.

I also think the "jack of all trades, master of none" moniker is unfair. He's a heck of a lot better at shooting 3's than just about anyone else in the draft. 42% on 3 shots a game makes him more dangerous from 3 than Bennet, Muhammed, and just about any other "natural scorer" out there.

42% on 3 point shots was a fluke season for him. He isn't gonna be nearly that good on 3's early on in his career. I'm expecting <33% from 3's from him tbh.

[Dat2U]

Ok, here it is. My final draft board. This is the one you want to bring up next year to humble me whenever I act like a smart ass

TIER ONE... Franchise level talents

The easiest tier to predict, lol.

TIER TWO... Very good starters, possible all-stars

1. CE Nerlens Noel ... Cross b/w Joakim Noah & Tyson Chandler. Freakish athleticism, explosive.
2. SF Otto Porter ... Do it all SF with cerebral game. Better upside than many suggest
3. SG Victor Oladipo ... Tony Allen with a better outside shot. Wade comparisons are way off base.

TIER THREE... Solid starters, top level 6th man types

4. FC Kelly Olynyk ... Possible steal of the draft. No recent comparables in draft relative to skill level/height
5. PF Cody Zeller ... David Lee'ish type PF. Productive, not quite the rebounder Lee is.
6. CE Alex Len ... Ideal physical profile for C. Broken foot gives concern. Will be good if he works at it.

TIER FOUR... Role players on good teams, starters on weaker teams. Guys that can fill out your rotation

7. PG Trey Burke ... Very skilled guard with outside shot. A winner. Not a great athlete tho at PG
8. SG Kentavious Caldwell-Pope ... Good shooter, excellent rebounder. A better version of Nick Young.
9. GF Jamaal Franklin ... potential draft steal if jumper is ok. Has length to play SF position.
10. CE Lucas Noguiera ... another potential draft steal. Performed well against quality overseas comp.
11. SG Ben McLemore ... potential draft bust if he doesn't handle the pressure well. Ballhandling is red flag.
12. PF Anthony Bennett ... A dreaded tweener. Offensive potential may be offset by defensive shortcomings.
13. SF Glen Rice Jr. ... A sneaky pick who dominated in the DLeague late in year like LeBron did in the NBA.

TIER FIVE... bench depth & promising developmental types

14. PG C.J. McCollum ... Not sold on his shooting. Had off years shooting the ball. That will all the difference.
15. PG Shane Larkin ... Best P&R player in the draft. Will look really good in Utah. Defense will be an issue tho.
16. PG Isaiah Canaan ... Potential steal. Very strong first three years. Tried to do too much last year.
17. PG Pierre Jackson ... Solid looking Isaiah Thomas (SAC) clone who should suprise some next year.
18. SF Giannis Antetokounmpo .... Boom or Bust. Reminds me of a young Boris Diaw.
19. SG Ricky Ledo ... Boom or Bust. Skilled 2 with legit size, shot & shot creation abilities. Not played since HS.
20. PG Michael Carter-Williams ... Don't like jumper or shot selection. Don't think he's particularly explosive.
21. CE Rudy Gobert ... Boom or Bust. Length creates havoc defensively but is incredibly raw for his age.
22. CE Gorgui Dieng ... Louisville prospects typically disappoint. But Dieng may have strength to be solid backup.
23. PG Dennis Schroeder ... Reminds me of a Darren Collison clone. Poor finisher at rim. Can get overwhelmed.
24. SF Sergey Karasev ... Can really shoot the rock... not sure what else he's bringing to the table.
25. PG Nate Wolters ... Ball skills are top notch. Athleticism isn't. Is he quick enough to play PG?
26. CE Jeff Withey ... Weak base means he might be nothing more than a shot blocker (a la) Jim McIIvaine
27. FC Mike Muscala ... Skilled but soft. Will need to learn to play with contact or he'll be overseas soon.
28. CE Steven Adams ... Raw as sushi. Awareness is not there. Appears to have bad hands but has ideal frame.

TIER SIX... Guys that will have a cup of coffee in the league but unless they improve their flaws, they'll be overseas sooner than later

29. SG Alex Abrines
30. PF Livio Jean-Charles
31. SG Erick Green
32. SG Allen Crabbe
33. PF Tony Mitchell
34. PF Elias Harris
35. PF Arsalan Kazemi
36. PF Ryan Kelly
37. PF D.J. Stephens
38. PF Richard Howell
39. SG Khalif Wyatt
40. SG Seth Curry
41. PF Andre Roberson

TIER SEVEN... Someone might draft 'em but I wouldn't

42. SG Archie Goodwin
43. SF Tony Snell
44. CE Mason Plumlee
45. SF C.J. Leslie
46. PG Ray McCallum
47. CE Colton Iverson
48. PF Erik Murphy
49. PF Trevor Mbakwe
50. PF Jackie Carmichael
51. SG Brandon Paul
52. SG Carrick Felix
53. SF James Southerland
54. SF Solomon Hill
55. PG Lorenzo Brown
56. PG Matthew Dellavedova
57. SF Deshaun Thomas
58. PF Kenny Kadji
59. SF Rodney Williams
60. PG Nemanja Nedovic

[Severn Hoos]

An auto porter serves a very important function in the auto industry, especially in a new-car dealership. The job description of an auto porter may differ from business to business. The porter assists with lot activity and transport and can support the detailer, other staff, mechanics or car washer, if needed. He must have a valid driver's license, as he will have to drive for many of his functions. Autocareertoday.net states that there is great opportunity for advancement in the auto retail industry. (Reference 1)

Job description of an Auto Porter.


See - he's good assist man and can drive too, what more could you want?

[jivelikenice]

Can we stop talking about Wes Johnson and Evan Turner.

Neither of those guys even comes close to being similar to Porter statistically. Turners stats were beyond mediocre for a #2 pick.

Turner better stats than Porter across the board. Did you even look at his numbers? He was the POTY and scored over 20 PPG with over 9 RPG and over 6 APG on 51% shooting with a 30 PER the year he was drafted. His sophomore numbers were better than Otto's too. He was a much better college player than Otto and a more highly thought of prospect.

Johnson had comparable stats too.

Regardless, both fell into the trap of being good at many things, great at none. They don't really have any skill or attribute that sets them apart giving them a general mismatch to exploit. They were drafted very high and were not capable of being a franchise building blocks while guys taken at 1, 3, and 5 were.

That's the fear with Porter. That he's not going to be a good enough scorer or facilitator to become a building block.

Johnson and Turner were also older when they came out. Johnson if I recall correctly transferred and was a late bloomer. These are terrible and unapplicable comps. The main concerns I read about Porter are he doesn't have much upside, can't create his own shot, and isn't athletic enough.

1. He's 19! How could anyone argue his upside when he's 19, avoided AAU ball, and grew so much as a player between his freshman and sophomore seasons?

2. There are more ways than playing ISO ball to create your won shot...Moving without the ball, cutting, pump and drive, getting into passing lanes and getting on the break. He'll find ways to score and will continue to improve off the bounce.

3. He isn't athletic enough but tested better athleticially than Kawhi or MKG...So how is he not athletic?

[Dark Faze]

If this were a movie we'd all be at each others throats moments before the pick is cast only for us all to all of a sudden hold each other for comfort as EG executes a trade of the #3, Emeka Okafor,and Trevor Ariza for Caron Butler, Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan.

Ernie: We saw two young players with playoff experience that we thought could help our team. We gained playoff experience and youth, along with a fan favorite and veteran leader in Caron.

[sfam]

I think the argument that OP is not athletic enough has been refuted.

re Evan Turner - he's not been horrible. Just that Philly needed something
more than a 2nd/3rd option. Plus they really should have drafted a big
and there were 2 decent options there.

Guys who get paid to talk have to say something. Stuff like he's (OP)
is not good enough at any one thing sound to me like they are reaching.

I don't buy this at all. If you're drafting Porter with the hopes of him becoming an elite athlete you'll be disapointed. Porter is an average athlete that has really high BBIQ and a solid Jack of All Trades skillset. That's why you draft him.

There's a wide gulf between adequate athlete and elite athlete. Porter's not going to go out there and jam on people but it's not like he can't jump over a telephone book either. I fully expect Porter to be equally athletic - if not more, and equally skilled - if not more - than Josh Childress, Wilson Chandler, Chandler Parsons, Landry Fields, and a host of other SF's. The only red flag would be his weight.

I also think the "jack of all trades, master of none" moniker is unfair. He's a heck of a lot better at shooting 3's than just about anyone else in the draft. 42% on 3 shots a game makes him more dangerous from 3 than Bennet, Muhammed, and just about any other "natural scorer" out there.

I largely agree with this, except for there are issues with Porter's 3. The form is a concern, but the bigger thing is the slowness of his release. Porter will have to work on it.

[Soup's Uncle]

An auto porter serves a very important function in the auto industry, especially in a new-car dealership. The job description of an auto porter may differ from business to business. The porter assists with lot activity and transport and can support the detailer, other staff, mechanics or car washer, if needed. He must have a valid driver's license, as he will have to drive for many of his functions. Autocareertoday.net states that there is great opportunity for advancement in the auto retail industry. (Reference 1)

Job description of an Auto Porter.


See - he's good assist man and can drive too, what more could you want?

Haha, I was an auto porter for my Dad's work on more than one occasion. Fun stuff.

[Soup's Uncle]

We're taking Porter. I'm convinced now.

[dobrojim]

I think the argument that OP is not athletic enough has been refuted.

re Evan Turner - he's not been horrible. Just that Philly needed something
more than a 2nd/3rd option. Plus they really should have drafted a big
and there were 2 decent options there.

Guys who get paid to talk have to say something. Stuff like he's (OP)
is not good enough at any one thing sound to me like they are reaching.

I don't buy this at all. If you're drafting Porter with the hopes of him becoming an elite athlete you'll be disapointed. Porter is an average athlete that has really high BBIQ and a solid Jack of All Trades skillset. That's why you draft him.

I don't see where you're really arguing with what I at least meant.

Porter's athleticism is good enough when combined with his knowledge
of HOW TO PLAY the game. My bad if that wasn't made clear in what I wrote.

About Turner, I was just saying he might be a bust for a 2nd overall pick but
he's a decent contributor. Philly just would've been a lot happier if they
had gotten more than that with such a high pick. They had fewer young
foundational pieces then than we have now.

[GhostsOfGil]

[tweet]http://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/350351813792370690[/tweet]

..And with the 2013 pick the Washington Wizards select: Otto Porter

[dobrojim]

^^
I think the last time we tried to get a good group together to watch the NBA draft at a restaurant/bar was the year they made the trade for Jamison so we just cancelled it. So hopefully we don't have a repeat type thing this year.

I don't understand why there is so much Jamison bashing around here. He was very great player here in DC. Yeah he didn't go to the championship, but not all teams do that ether. Some HOFers never did that.

stick to knowing nonsense

you're on safer ground there

[Knighthonor]

Hmmmm....any way to trade for a 2nd lotto pick and get bennett? What would the cost be? An unprotected '14 pick + what?

Probably. Ernie should be fired on the spot if he traded the 2014 1st rounder.

I really dont understand why we value the 2014 th so highly. Regardless of this years pick, we're probably going to make the playoffs and end with a pick in the late teens. I've heard the 2014 draft is strong up top but havn't heard anything about depth into the late lottery. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not opposed to using the 2014th if it helps us acquire more talent now. Lets say Bennett slips to 9. Wiz trade 2014 top 5 protected plus Ariza for + 9.

Wiz take Porter and Bennett. Unlikely, but my point is that the 2014th should not be untouchable IMO.

Because you never know when somebody will get hurt and the team flop. Cough "2012-2013" cough

If that happens, you have chance at top of the line superstar.

Wall may go down, Beal may go down, Webster may go down, nene, well nene is going down, and Oka may go down. Team flops in the process and wins lotto and get superstar talent!!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

But why is Bennett particularly vulnerable to a jump in competition compared to others like, Porter?

He's an NBA caliber athlete with NBA caliber skills after all.

because he's undersized lengthwise ie a tweener for playing a power position

and because he succeeded in college because he has a more manly
body than most of the other college players he played against.
He MAY not be able to power through pro bodies the way he did in NCAA.

He's got a similar body to Paul Millsap though. Other players have been very successful with similar body types so it doesn't preclude him from being successful in the NBA. No more so than Otto Porter's relative lack of athleticism and explosiveness for the SF position.

I don't buy that there is necessarily anything physically holding Bennett back when he's healthy.

Also, Bennett didn't rely on power to score in college. He has a great deal of skill. His perimeter skills are noted. And he is going to be powerful, even by NBA standards. That's a big part of his appeal.

I like Porter too, but I think a lot of the Porter lovers around here are being inconsistent/intellectually dishonest when it comes to Bennett.

I posted about Millsap before ANYBODY I know on this site or any other board. Well before he caught on I said he should be a lottery pick and he is better than Shelden Williams or Alexander Johnson.

Bennett may have a similar body but that is where the comparisons should stop.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... sap-1.html

Paul Millsap averaged 19.6 points, 13.1 rebounds, 1.9 steals, and 2.3 blocks

Anthony Bennett averages 16.1 points, 8.1 rebounds, 0.7 steals, 1.2 blocks

Millsap averaged 12.5 rebounds even as a freshman. He came to the pros (as a junior) averaging roughly three times the steals and twice the blocks that Bennett produced leading to the draft. If numbers mean nothing, he was a far far far better prospect because he was a MUCH BETTER REBOUNDER and FAR MORE ACTIVE ON DEFENSE than Bennett.

Anthony Bennett is overweight, overrated, and the one player I don't want the Wizards to draft. I am not engaging in any intellectual dishonesty at all. Bennett may slim down and become an all star just based on his tremendous strength, athleticism, and offensive skill.

But the guy is NOT A GREAT REBOUNDER. (Check his games agains Colorado State's Colton Iverson) Anthony Bennett finished just 8th in the MWC in total rebound percentage. EIGHTH in his MID MAJOR CONFERENCE.

I deal in facts and the fact is Bennett looks like a Lebron but he plays a lazy brand of basketball and the team that picks him will find out.

[truwizfan4evr]

We're taking Porter. I'm convinced now.

We better be!

[tontoz]

[tweet]http://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/350351813792370690[/tweet]

..And with the 2013 pick the Washington Wizards select: Otto Porter

Best news i have heard in awhile.

[pancakes3]

[tweet]http://twitter.com/KBergCBS/status/350351813792370690[/tweet]

..And with the 2013 pick the Washington Wizards select: Otto Porter

EG... you're such a picktease.

[Dark Faze]

CCJ

*puts hand on your shoulder*

It's out of our hands now.

We're no longer debaters but simply Wiz fans.

Lets pray.

[fishercob]

‏@kpelton 13m
Based on the combination of my WARP projections and my own scouting, here's my subjective draft board: