Milwaukee Bucks Pick Giannis with pick #15

ampd · Post #181 » by **ampd** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:10 am

I like our pick a lot.

carmelbrownqueen · Post #182 » by **carmelbrownqueen** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:10 am

blazza18 wrote:
Steve210 wrote:So we traded Tobias who didn't develop fast enough, and pick a raw 18 year old that probably won't be ready to contribute for about 3 years, brilliant!

Basically why I am so confused with this pick lol. This team has nfi what its doing.

Tobias is a tweener

emunney · Post #183 » by **emunney** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:10 am

SupremeHustle wrote:
emunney wrote:
Ayt wrote:
So what should I look for in terms of potential NBA skills during the summer league?

Ball handling, court vision, defense.

FWIW I do not think he's physically ready for the NBA, but he's also the youngest player in the draft by kind of a lot.

Hydration level.

Hopefully, or we'll be trading him for Belinelli in 2 years.

emunney · Post #184 » by **emunney** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:12 am

carmelbrownqueen wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Steve210 wrote:So we traded Tobias who didn't develop fast enough, and pick a raw 18 year old that probably won't be ready to contribute for about 3 years, brilliant!

Basically why I am so confused with this pick lol. This team has nfi what its doing.

Tobias is a tweener

Don't know about this, but I have to believe they know they **** up with that deal.

LUKE23 · Post #185 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:12 am

carmelbrownqueen wrote:Tobias is a tweener

Tobias is a basketball player. There is no way to absolve the Redick/Harris trade regardless of the opinions on Hammond overall.

Thunder Muscle · Post #186 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:12 am

Obviously don't have to like the pick, but I'm a little surprised by some being so down on a pick that is essentially against everything this organization has done in recent years. They've taken a chance on a guy that could be a home run instead of picking a safer role player. Its the farthest thing from a win now pick.

stevescheffler06 · Post #187 » by **stevescheffler06** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:13 am

LUKE23 wrote:
carmelbrownqueen wrote:Tobias is a tweener

Tobias is a basketball player. There is no way to absolve the Redick/Harris trade regardless of the opinions on Hammond overall.

europa · Post #188 » by **europa** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:13 am

carmelbrownqueen wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Steve210 wrote:So we traded Tobias who didn't develop fast enough, and pick a raw 18 year old that probably won't be ready to contribute for about 3 years, brilliant!

Basically why I am so confused with this pick lol. This team has nfi what its doing.

Tobias is a tweener

Tweeners need love too.

Especially when they have 20 ppg and All-Star potential.

Ayt · Post #189 » by **Ayt** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:13 am

carmelbrownqueen wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Steve210 wrote:So we traded Tobias who didn't develop fast enough, and pick a raw 18 year old that probably won't be ready to contribute for about 3 years, brilliant!

Basically why I am so confused with this pick lol. This team has nfi what its doing.

Tobias is a tweener

LMAO

And Giannis is the Darius Miles of low level Greek basketball.

ampd · Post #190 » by **ampd** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:13 am

N8Frog wrote:Obviously don't have to like the pick, but I'm a little surprised by some being so down on a pick that is essentially against everything this organization has done in recent years. They've taken a chance on a guy that could be a home run instead of picking a safer role player. Its the farthest thing from a win now pick.

This. Although Hammond seems to think he can play right away in some sort of role

randy84 · Post #191 » by **randy84** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 am

N8Frog wrote:Obviously don't have to like the pick, but I'm a little surprised by some being so down on a pick that is essentially against everything this organization has done in recent years. They've taken a chance on a guy that could be a home run instead of picking a safer role player. Its the farthest thing from a win now pick.

But it is closer to a complete bust pick.

apdamico · Post #192 » by **apdamico** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 am

LUKE23 wrote:Drew is really excited about him, told Hammond there was no way he'd be there at 15.

Dallas was prepared to take him with the 13th pick, but he wants to play in the NBA this coming season and not be stashed overseas.

The article posted earlier on this board though stated he's signed for next season:

Meet Giannis Antetokoumpo, a 6-10 point guard who already has signed to play professionally next season for Zaragoza in Spain.

Bootney_Lee1258 · Post #193 » by **Bootney_Lee1258** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 am

For those who are wondering why, I'm not sure you are understanding the probabilities and outcomes here behind the pick. This was a weak draft. And that doesn't mean there aren't any good players. It just means there were no stand-out franchise players. Any person picked at #15 has basically a 15% probability of being a traditional starter, and it might even be lower in this case.

So given that any player you pick is ~15% probability, do the expected value calculation. The expected value of Giannis I'm sure is higher than many more players. If you are attempting a rebuild, go with the full upside. If he fails hard, we get a better pick next year. If he succeeds, we probably turn into a pretty damn good team. If you go with a "solid role player", we stay mediocre. The reason why Joe Alexander was a terrible pick compared to this is because we weren't attempting to rebuild. We were actually trying to keep the team where it was.

Getting the "best" player in the draft, in a draft like this, is probably not the right avenue to go down to if you are attempting to rebuild. You DEFINITELY go with the higher variance guy, because it benefits you either way.

europa · Post #194 » by **europa** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 am

N8Frog wrote:Obviously don't have to like the pick, but I'm a little surprised by some being so down on a pick that is essentially against everything this organization has done in recent years. They've taken a chance on a guy that could be a home run instead of picking a safer role player. Its the farthest thing from a win now pick.

As a drafter, Hammond does tend to operate in a way which in theory should please most people in this forum.

Badgerlander · Post #195 » by **Badgerlander** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:14 am

emunney wrote:4th year in a row we've picked the top guy on my board.

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Actually you had Gobert above him, just sayin :wink:

bucksbrewers3 · Post #196 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:15 am

Steve210 wrote:So we traded Tobias who didn't develop fast enough, and pick a raw 18 year old that probably won't be ready to contribute for about 3 years, brilliant!

already been stated by Hammond and drew hes playing this year

ReddWing · Post #197 » by **ReddWing** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:15 am

Why don't some people trust Hammond's drafting? The guy has been money for the most part. Free agency and trades....not so much.

Buckfan76 · Post #198 » by **Buckfan76** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:15 am

Anyone think we can trade Jennings still tonight? SAC might him? Heck I'd see if Sixers want him, & either LRMM OR Udoh for MCW & E. Turner? Part of me still thinks that the Mavs might want him for Marion and S. Larkin?

LUKE23 · Post #199 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:15 am

We can't trade Jennings tonight.

apdamico · Post #200 » by **apdamico** » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:16 am

LUKE23 wrote:
carmelbrownqueen wrote:Tobias is a tweener

Tobias is a basketball player. There is no way to absolve the Redick/Harris trade regardless of the opinions on Hammond overall.