Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread

[Red Larrivee]

You say that like Cody hasn't studied before the big test.
He was the preseason consensus #1

No he wasn't. Noel was ranked higher before the college season on a bunch of draft boards, paricularly Draft Express. And even then, that was an entire year before the draft came about. GM's and scouts do their homework on the draft all year, but the process doesn't really heat up until the college season ends.

I'm not saying Zeller will be a bust, but he strikes me as a player with average upside. I'd be shocked if he makes an all-star game. You need more than that with the fourth pick, especially when you had better prospects on the board.

They reached and they could end up paying big time for it.

Who ARE YOU??

Why do you care, your not even a fan.....

I follow the team, I go to some games, I get local coverage of all the games. They aren't my favorite team, but I know enough about the team to rationally discuss the team. Even then, being a fan doesn't mean accepting every decision the team does. Objectivity is your best friend.

[amcoolio]

You say that like Cody hasn't studied before the big test.
He was the preseason consensus #1

No he wasn't. Noel was ranked higher before the college season on a bunch of draft boards, paricularly Draft Express. And even then, that was an entire year before the draft came about. GM's and scouts do their homework on the draft all year, but the process doesn't really heat up until the college season ends.

I'm not saying Zeller will be a bust, but he strikes me as a player with average upside. I'd be shocked if he makes an all-star game. You need more than that with the fourth pick, especially when you had better prospects on the board.

They reached and they could end up paying big time for it.

Who ARE YOU??

Why do you care, your not even a fan.....

I follow the team, I go to some games, I get local coverage of all the games. They aren't my favorite team, but I know enough about the team to rationally discuss the team. Even then, being a fan doesn't mean accepting every decision the team does. Objectivity is your best friend.

If McLemore, Noel, and Len have Webster, Camby, and Darko like careers, would you still think the Bobcats screwed up this draft?

All 3 have red flags. I would have preferred McLemore but its easy to see why the Bobcats didn't pick him. When the Suns passed on Noel, that was it, you knew he could never be a consistent starter in the NBA.

[BeesWax]

You say that like Cody hasn't studied before the big test.
He was the preseason consensus #1

No he wasn't. Noel was ranked higher before the college season on a bunch of draft boards, paricularly Draft Express. And even then, that was an entire year before the draft came about. GM's and scouts do their homework on the draft all year, but the process doesn't really heat up until the college season ends.

I'm not saying Zeller will be a bust, but he strikes me as a player with average upside. I'd be shocked if he makes an all-star game. You need more than that with the fourth pick, especially when you had better prospects on the board.

They reached and they could end up paying big time for it.

Who ARE YOU??

Why do you care, your not even a fan.....

I follow the team, I go to some games, I get local coverage of all the games. They aren't my favorite team, but I know enough about the team to rationally discuss the team. Even then, being a fan doesn't mean accepting every decision the team does. Objectivity is your best friend.

If McLemore, Noel, and Len have Webster, Camby, and Darko like careers, would you still think the Bobcats screwed up this draft?

All 3 have red flags. I would have preferred McLemore but its easy to see why the Bobcats didn't pick him. When the Suns passed on Noel, that was it, you knew he could never be a consistent starter in the NBA.

When Cody has a McRboerts type career did we make the right choice?

[mrknowitall215]

To be optimistic even though I didn't like the selection, I preferred Cody Zeller over Alex Len to Charlotte. The Suns are getting ripped just as much as the Bobcats to media fare over their pick

[Red Larrivee]

If McLemore, Noel, and Len have Webster, Camby, and Darko like careers, would you still think the Bobcats screwed up this draft?

All 3 have red flags. I would have preferred McLemore but its easy to see why the Bobcats didn't pick him. When the Suns passed on Noel, that was it, you knew he could never be a consistent starter in the NBA.

If Noel became Marcus Camby, then yes, the Bobcats regret it. He struggled with injuries, but won a defensive player of the year, was a fantastic anchor and made 4 all defensive teams. Camby as a best case is a great thing for Noel.

If Len, McLemore and Noel all become busts, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. It would certainly be a shocker if Zeller ended up being better than all 3 of those players, considering he's the least talented and has the least upside of that group.

[Kembastockton]

All that your saying is debatable and cosidering that none of us were present during any of the procesr there's no reason for us to not give Cho the benefit of the doubt. After all Zeller has size, can shoot, and is said to be the most athletic big in the draft. What's the problem? Some are still but t hurt over last year's athlete and he couldn't shoot.

[Red Larrivee]

Zeller took 8 jumpshots his freshman year at Indiana and 24 jumpshots in 36 games as a sophomore. If he could shoot, why wasn't he taking more shots? His perimeter game is questionable at the least.

I'm not sold that he can shoot just because he was draining jumpers in an open gym. Jeff Withey was drilling shots from the perimeter too in a few workouts. It doesn't mean anything until you're in a game.

I hope he has a great career, I'm just not sold. It's hardly an unpopular opinion.

[fatlever]

Charlotte Bobcats ‏@bobcats 1m

"Kemba sent me a text saying how happy & excited he was about Zeller. To me that speaks that we made a great pick for the team."-Rod Higgins

That's what I am scared of - what if Zeller is actually not a Cho's pick. DX was about who's calling the shots not about who specifically liked Zeller.

make no mistake, zeller was cho's pick.

[GSForever]

He's gonna be a bust!

[fatlever]

its very likely that one of len, noel or mclemore will have a better career than zeller, but tell me, which one? lets see if there is a consensus.

it doesnt count to come back 4 years from now and say "we should have drafted _______ because he is now an all-star"

4 years from now steven adams could be a stud and people will say "can you believe jordan passed on adams in 2013?"

[Kembastockton]

[quote="Red Larrivee"]Zeller took 8 jumpshots his freshman year at Indiana and 24 jumpshots in 36 games as a sophomore. If he could shoot, why wasn't he taking more shots? His perimeter game is questionable at the least.

I'm not sold that he can shoot just because he was draining jumpers in an open gym. Jeff Withey was drilling shots from the perimeter too in a few workouts. It doesn't mean anything until you're in a game.

I hope he has a great career, I'm just not sold. It's hardly an unpopular opinion.[/
quote]

I hope he does as well. We don't have to be sold. Our careers are not on the line.

[Liver_Pooty]

I love the pick, and think you guys should at least let him play a season before jumping off a bridge.

[Eoghan]

its very likely that one of len, noel or mclemore will have a better career than zeller, but tell me, which one? lets see if there is a consensus.

it doesnt count to come back 4 years from now and say "we should have drafted _______ because he is now an all-star"

4 years from now steven adams could be a stud and people will say "can you believe jordan passed on adams in 2013?"

I think Noel will. I would have said McLemore too but he got drafted by the Kings so you know how that goes. I don't Jordan would have succeeded if he was drafted by the Kings. Len's injury worries me.

[mrknowitall215]

its very likely that one of len, noel or mclemore will have a better career than zeller, but tell me, which one? lets see if there is a consensus.

it doesnt count to come back 4 years from now and say "we should have drafted _______ because he is now an all-star"

4 years from now steven adams could be a stud and people will say "can you believe jordan passed on adams in 2013?"

I sense Noel having the most impact & better career out of himself, Zeller, Len, & McLemore 4 years from now. It was no mistake that Noel was considered the top prospect going into the draft, only to be derailed by his injury (history). I believe Noel will play with a chip on his shoulder to disprove of the 5 teams that passed on him, and fortunately for me I will have 1st row seats to watch it being that I am a Philly sports fan & native

[mrknowitall215]

its very likely that one of len, noel or mclemore will have a better career than zeller, but tell me, which one? lets see if there is a consensus.

it doesnt count to come back 4 years from now and say "we should have drafted _______ because he is now an all-star"

4 years from now steven adams could be a stud and people will say "can you believe jordan passed on adams in 2013?"

I think Noel will. I would have said McLemore too but he got drafted by the Kings so you know how that goes. I don't Jordan would have succeeded if he was drafted by the Kings. Len's injury worries me.

YeAh, McLemore got a raw deal. It looked like he wanted to cry. I don't know if it was tears of joy, the fact that he slipped in the lottery a little, or the possible death sentence of his career before it got started by going to the Kings, but his eyes were watery. I wonder if Sacramento will pile it on by retaining Tyreke Evans to a long term deal

[JT2006]

Just remember how good he looked before the season started. He was a top 3 guy for much of the season, the reason his stock fell was his relatively short arms (still long, just not long for someone his height) and the fact that he only made modest improvements statistically. He's still the same guy who was a top 3 lock. His ceiling might not be miles high but we will definitely get 4th overall value out of him. Will he be a draft steal? No, but he'll be a good pick I think.

[[Blindsided]]

I love the pick, and think you guys should at least let him play a season before jumping off a bridge.

Jump first, watch games later

[JMAC3]

I think its funny that people are judging this pick before he even gets on the floor. I bet a lot of people hating on the pick have not seen nearly enough of Zeller to know his game.

That pisses me off when people go of what is said in a chat room rather than doing the research and watching the tape to get their own opinions of a player.

Zeller may never be a guy who averages 20 and 10, but he is going to be a very solid player and I think he will excel in whatever role he is given.

He does a lot of little things right that are underrated and help teams win games.
1. He hustles
2. He makes free throws as a big
3. He is a great hedge defender on the pick and roll
4. He has a high bbiq

Also, underrated is he came into a beatdown Indiana program and turned them back into a national powerhouse. Yes Oladipo helped, but Zeller was the guy that made it all happen. Charlotte needs to have players on their team that know how to win and sacrifice to win games.

[mrknowitall215]

I think its funny that people are judging this pick before he even gets on the floor. I bet a lot of people hating on the pick have not seen nearly enough of Zeller to know his game.

Chad Ford is a draft expert that gets paid a good salary by ESPN to judge picks, and even he heavily disagreed with it. What do you have to say about that?

[JMAC3]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPOpSJ0ovQ[/youtube]

I know this is just a workout video and its different shooting in a game, but he still is making every shot. Same form and his mechanics look good for a 7 footer. He was not asked to do that much at Indiana because we had Watford to play that role. Zeller was required to score in the post.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvb2SNJ9T4w[/youtube]

If you watch this video you will see Zeller show his advanced post game, especially on the baseline. He also, is a very good straight line driver from the perimeter for a 7 footer. He is also, good at drawing fouls and finishing through the contact.

His ability to complement Biz better than any other player in this draft is a key to us drafting him as well. If we took Len then Biz would be forced to play PF. If we took Noel they would not complement each other at all, If we took Bennett we would of been small.

Biz covers Zeller weaknesses of shot blocking and rebounding. Zeller gives us the big Pf we need to play next to Biz, he has the perimeter game that is ideal next to Biz, and he has a several strong go to post moves.

We will have the best bigs in the league at defending the pick and roll tho.