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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#381 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:37 pm

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I don't think they'll feel too bad when they're in the Eastern Conference Finals with Miami.


Tell me, why exactly do you think the additions of declining KG and declining PP vault them from losing in the first round to a home bulls team over us, a healthy bulls team with derrick rose that will be going for it, and an improved pacers team?


Because 'declining' KG and Pierce are still 2 very good players who no longer have to be superstars but rather help the team in a supporting role. The Nets starting 5 is not only very good, but also very balanced offensively and defensively.


So for example, you think adding Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce>Derrick Rose?
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#382 » by Moose » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:42 pm

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Moose wrote:Like I said earlier, you can spin this anyway you want...

...tonight was a bad night for the Knicks.

So shortishgted.

The Nets just guaranteed they'll be worse than the Knicks from 2014-2018. Who the hell cares if they win 50 games and lose in the second round in 2013?

The Knicks have bigger issues than a cross-town rivalry for who can be the better fake contender.



The Knicks have what, another 2 years in that championship window? It isn't short-sighted. The nets, heat, and probably the pacers are better than the knicks. And the bulls could be better than the knicks. At a time where the knicks were supposed to be battling just miami to get to the finals.

It isn't short-sighted, it is realistic. I am shocked how people are not down right now. Hopefully we can rebuild another strong team after Chandler's and Amare's contracts are up. Right now it feels like, at best, we are the third best team in the east. And at worst, like the 5th or 6th best.


You all can pretend that the nets are whack, and that they are our baby brother. And yes, they will never be as big as the knicks in all likelihood...but to blow them off as chumps right now is a mistake.

And if they resign blatche, add korver, and a useful backup pg...to go along with their other pieces...the keys for them will be health and defense. But they are clearly very talented and the pieces fit.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#383 » by dynamic duo » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:48 pm

KG and Pierce alone took Knicks to 6 games, going to be interesting watching Kidd work with them.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#384 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:50 pm

dynamic duo wrote:KG and Pierce alone took Knicks to 6 games, going to be interesting watching Kidd work with them.


false, only someone who didn't watch the series would make a foolish comment like that.

Jeff Green was the best player in that series by far. Offensively and Defensively.

Who exactly defends Melo in the nets starting lineup?
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#385 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:51 pm

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Tell me, why exactly do you think the additions of declining KG and declining PP vault them from losing in the first round to a home bulls team over us, a healthy bulls team with derrick rose that will be going for it, and an improved pacers team?


Because 'declining' KG and Pierce are still 2 very good players who no longer have to be superstars but rather help the team in a supporting role. The Nets starting 5 is not only very good, but also very balanced offensively and defensively.


So for example, you think adding Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce>Derrick Rose?


The Nets lineup will be better all-around than the Bulls. I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand.

I guess it's okay when the Knicks can go old and win 54 games but when the Nets do it with much better old guys they're going to be a loser team that struggles to get out of the 1st round. Gotcha.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#386 » by Picklewagon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:52 pm

Knicks nets 4/5 first round matchup?
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#387 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:53 pm

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Because 'declining' KG and Pierce are still 2 very good players who no longer have to be superstars but rather help the team in a supporting role. The Nets starting 5 is not only very good, but also very balanced offensively and defensively.


how can you honestly say they are balanced defensively???

that is just crazy talk. Offensively sure they will score but they are slow and old on the defensive end.

All there big clunkers go back to there original positions.

KG now has to guard opposing 4's (he is not quick to do that) - So KG will have to defend Melo and LeBron :lol:

pierce has green to defend the best wings
joe johnson had wallace to defend the best wings

who exactly out of the two of them is defending the leagues best wings?

Williams and Lopez aren't good defenders either.

Garnett is the only good defender on that team and he is better at defending 5's then 4's.

Don't get me wrong they got better with the trade but they aren't a ECF team as currently constructed. Heat, Pacers, Bulls, and Knicks all have legitimate chance to beat them
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#388 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:56 pm

the Knicks starting lineup was never old, and are depth was old.

the nets now have 2 old guys in there starting lineups and who exactly is backing them up if they get hurt?

Plumlee and ????

The guys playing the majority of minutes were felton, melo, chandler, jr, and shumpert. ALl in there primes.
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Post#389 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:02 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:the Knicks starting lineup was never old, and are depth was old.

the nets now have 2 old guys in there starting lineups and who exactly is backing them up if they get hurt?

Plumlee and ????


Don't care about the starting lineup. Our guys weren't "old" when they were winning games, were they? But I guess because it's the Nets doing it we have to say they will be old and useless. If that makes you feel better, fine. They'll fill out their roster with some good veterans. I can at least acknowledge that this team is now better than the Knicks. Sucks to say, but it's true.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#390 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:03 pm

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Because 'declining' KG and Pierce are still 2 very good players who no longer have to be superstars but rather help the team in a supporting role. The Nets starting 5 is not only very good, but also very balanced offensively and defensively.


how can you honestly say they are balanced defensively???

that is just crazy talk. Offensively sure they will score but they are slow and old on the defensive end.

All there big clunkers go back to there original positions.

KG now has to guard opposing 4's (he is not quick to do that) - So KG will have to defend Melo and LeBron :lol:

pierce has green to defend the best wings
joe johnson had wallace to defend the best wings

who exactly out of the two of them is defending the leagues best wings?

Williams and Lopez aren't good defenders either.

Garnett is the only good defender on that team and he is better at defending 5's then 4's.

Don't get me wrong they got better with the trade but they aren't a ECF team as currently constructed. Heat, Pacers, Bulls, and Knicks all have legitimate chance to beat them


The Knicks, as currently constructed, are not beating the Nets in a 7-game series. Not with Chandler at center and Felton at point and Carmelo playing PF. Nope.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#391 » by makeitstop » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:05 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:the Knicks starting lineup was never old, and are depth was old.

the nets now have 2 old guys in there starting lineups and who exactly is backing them up if they get hurt?

Plumlee and ????

The guys playing the majority of minutes were felton, melo, chandler, jr, and shumpert. ALl in there primes.


Two? JJ's 32, Deron's 29, Blopez' foot is 50.

They run the risk of falling off hard like the Knicks did last year. Maybe Proky can buy the Suns' med staff? :lol:
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#392 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:07 pm

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GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:the Knicks starting lineup was never old, and are depth was old.

the nets now have 2 old guys in there starting lineups and who exactly is backing them up if they get hurt?

Plumlee and ????

The guys playing the majority of minutes were felton, melo, chandler, jr, and shumpert. ALl in there primes.


Two? JJ's 32, Deron's 29, Blopez' foot is 50.

They run the risk of falling off hard like the Knicks did last year. Maybe Proky can buy the Suns' med staff? :lol:


I agree I was just saying based on the trade.

JJ is 32 and is a walkign time bomb. His feet was a mess. Deron breaks down a lot.

They are relying on a lot of old guys tand the guys in there prime are not the most healthy players.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#393 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:08 pm

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GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:the Knicks starting lineup was never old, and are depth was old.

the nets now have 2 old guys in there starting lineups and who exactly is backing them up if they get hurt?

Plumlee and ????


Don't care about the starting lineup. Our guys weren't "old" when they were winning games, were they? But I guess because it's the Nets doing it we have to say they will be old and useless. If that makes you feel better, fine. They'll fill out their roster with some good veterans. I can at least acknowledge that this team is now better than the Knicks. Sucks to say, but it's true.


well the fact you are saying it means it must be true right :roll:
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#394 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:09 pm

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The Knicks, as currently constructed, are not beating the Nets in a 7-game series. Not with Chandler at center and Felton at point and Carmelo playing PF. Nope.


well thanks, might as well just not play the season...damn you were right...

maybe we shoudl all be new jersey nets fans
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#395 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:10 pm

Yeah, you're right. I guess if I said "lol Nets are old and suck, we're still better" I'd make more sense. If I said that I'd be getting put on people's shoulders like Rudy and paraded around RealGM in celebration.
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Post#396 » by Fury » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:11 pm

lol. Who is going to defend Melo on the Nets? The reason Melo struggled against the Celtics is because of Green and Bass. Pierce is gonna defend him? KG? Johnson?
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Post#397 » by Mr_Perfect » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:12 pm

Fury wrote:lol. Who is going to defend Melo on the Nets? The reason Melo struggled against the Celtics is because of Green and Bass. Pierce is gonna defend him? KG? Johnson?


You realize it's easy to defend a team that plays isolation and has one scoring option, right?
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Post#398 » by Moose » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:16 pm

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Moose wrote:Like I said earlier, you can spin this anyway you want...

...tonight was a bad night for the Knicks.


And in three seasons is will be an even worse night for the Nets. At some point, the chickens come home to roost.

Nets are, at best, fourth best team in the conference.




Deron Williams has a monster contract that doesn't end until after the 2016/2017 season. Joe Johnson's doesn't end until after the 2015/2016 season. Brook Lopez contract also doesn't end until 2015/2016. So yes, they will likely suck in 2018, but they should be at least decent until then assuming these guys stay healthy. And by decent, I mean making the playoffs, maybe even as a weak 6th seed, not competing for a title. Realistically, their title hopes are these next 2 seasons.


The Nets traded 3 picks and swapped 1 in 2017. From my understanding, the Nets will still have their own pick in 2014 (because they have the Hawks pick), a pick in 2015, no pick in 2016, a swapped pick in 2017, and no pick in 2018.

They will likely be sending over the Hawks pick to the Celtics, which most definitely can be a very good pick. And the 2018 pick will likely pick another good pick. Of course, we don't actually know this about the 2018 pick. They could get lucky and hit on some players in the draft or in free agency. They can continue to be a playoff team even in 2017. Making only 2 picks important, the Hawks pick and the 2018 pick.


When you look at their salary situation. They are giving up essentially nothing, except for 2 good picks. Brooks is the only player they traded that had talent. And they get rid of that horrible Wallace contract.


Now if they go out and get a swing player like Korver who can shoot it, resign Blatche, and bring in a solid back up PG...where are the weaknesses on this team? Health questions and possibly defensive questions seem to be the two. If they stay healthy, they have a puncher's chance of beating Miami. But if they stay healthy, and play good defense, while getting tougher (possible with the additions of KG, Pierce, and Kidd as a head coach), they will be going 12 rounds with Miami to see who makes the Finals.


This is an opinion. Like you all have your own. But I think most of you don't want to accept that the Nets are now better than the Knicks. That it is likely the Knicks window for a title is basically closed, unless injuries happen, or the Knicks make impact moves. I am not trying to be a d*ck. I honestly just think this was the right move for the Nets and that it makes them better than the Knicks and as long as they stay healthy, they will be fighting with Miami for the Eastern title.

It may be a small window, 1 or 2 years, but it gives them a very legit chance to win a title.
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#399 » by Falstaffxx » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:18 pm

Nets roster is more talented than the Knicks. Remains to be seen if they can play together. Say Smith comes back:

Williams >> Felton
Johnson > Smith
Pierce > Shumpert
Garnett << Anthony
Lopez > Chandler
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Re: Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!? 

Post#400 » by Fury » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:21 pm

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Fury wrote:lol. Who is going to defend Melo on the Nets? The reason Melo struggled against the Celtics is because of Green and Bass. Pierce is gonna defend him? KG? Johnson?


You realize it's easy to defend a team that plays isolation and has one scoring option, right?


So easy that it was because of our defense that lost us the series, not really our offense.

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