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Re: 2013 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#81 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:33 pm

moofs wrote:
MaxRider wrote:IMHO PG is so easier to replace these days
Philly just got their twin towers Bynum and Noel (not strong enough to play C yet)


Max and I agree?

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Post#82 » by moofs » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:06 pm

MaxRider wrote:
moofs wrote:
MaxRider wrote:IMHO PG is so easier to replace these days
Philly just got their twin towers Bynum and Noel (not strong enough to play C yet)


Max and I agree?

Brb, getting preparatory smelling salts then double checking what I said. ;-)

we have to agreed on something or else we wont be here :D


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Post#83 » by spolgar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:28 pm

I don't know how this works for the Pelicans unless they are giving up on both Rivers and Vasquez.

Jrue's played some smashing ball for the last half of the previous season. He is forced to shoot more than he should because of his lack of help, and his assists->turnover decreased below 2:1 for the first time this year.

Buying insurance is great, but Philly's just giving up the entirety of the next season as their back court four eggs short of a half dozen. And we don't even know if Noel's is going to work out for the half season that he'll be playing. There's tanking, and then there's this... It's kinda disgusting...
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Post#84 » by MaxRider » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:54 pm

Rivers is bust
Philly is obviously tanking and hope Noel is worth the gamble
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Re: 2013 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#85 » by MCoster » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:01 pm

MaxRider wrote:
moofs wrote:For Philly, if Noel pans out even slightly, he's worth a lot more than Jrue, and much much harder to find/replace. Scoring points are a dime a dozen. There were like 15+ of them in the nba last year.

Jrue's shooting, passing, steals, and rebounds are all middling, and his to's are high. He won't be missed.

IMHO PG is so easier to replace these days
Philly just got their twin towers Bynum and Noel (not strong enough to play C yet)


Philly is letting Bynum walk. They're fielding the same team as last year with MCW instead of Jrue and a part season on Noel. They're tanking
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Post#86 » by texasholdem » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:11 pm

spolgar wrote:. There's tanking, and then there's this... It's kinda disgusting...


The Spurs tanked to get Duncan. We'll see a lot of teams tank to get Wiggins.
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Post#87 » by moofs » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:12 pm

MCoster wrote:Philly is letting Bynum walk. They're fielding the same team as last year with MCW instead of Jrue and a part season on Noel. They're tanking


I don't think there is any chance of that at this point, not after how awesome he was last year.
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Post#88 » by TMACFORMVP » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:59 am

Jrue's advanced stats are pretty brutal offensively. It was still really surprising to see him moved though..but I liked it for the Sixers. If Noel can be a double double guy or a Sanders sort prospect, then it works out well, IMO. They got MCW to replace Jrue, have a potential Hornets lotto pick in a deep 2014 draft, their own pick (chance at #1), and some more cap flexibility. I think their future is definitely brighter.
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Post#89 » by moofs » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:25 am

spolgar wrote:I don't know how this works for the Pelicans unless they are giving up on both Rivers and Vasquez.

Jrue's played some smashing ball for the last half of the previous season. He is forced to shoot more than he should because of his lack of help, and his assists->turnover decreased below 2:1 for the first time this year.

Buying insurance is great, but Philly's just giving up the entirety of the next season as their back court four eggs short of a half dozen. And we don't even know if Noel's is going to work out for the half season that he'll be playing. There's tanking, and then there's this... It's kinda disgusting...


I don't see how they're taking. To me, it looks like they improved?

Then again, I think Jrue got overrated really fast.
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Post#90 » by spolgar » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:39 am

moofs wrote:
I don't see how they're taking. To me, it looks like they improved?

Then again, I think Jrue got overrated really fast.


Nevermind, I got a bit confused.

I thought Philly didn't have a serviceable starting point guard. Turns out they obtained Carter-Williams and Pierre Jackson. *Smacks Head*. Maybe that position will turn out okay. At least Philly is pretty sure that Holiday's stats are more lumps than real meat. I think Holiday has got game and got stuck with having to carry the offense in a way which he wasn't suited for.

I don't think they got better, especially in the short term, but Philly is of the opinion that they are not going anywhere with Holiday as their point guard, especially with Bynum in limbo. This is a looking towards the future move which I didn't recognize since I didn't think to figure out who they drafted. My bad.
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Post#91 » by TMU » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:49 am

I am also with moofs and Max on this one. I think Jrue is grossly overrated. I just don't see him as a franchise material and would never be in the group of that elite PG. Hard to believe that people grouped him along with Kyrie Irving and Steph Curry. I like this move by Philly a lot. This is definitely a move for the long-term. I'm glad they're finally putting an end this messy Bustnum situation.

How in the world did Burke fall to Utah? Still pissed about that.
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Post#92 » by spolgar » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:39 pm

My grouping of him is what Jawal Crawford could have been, but this time around with better career management and slightly better on court decisions.

Certainly he's not a 1st option point guard, but a very effective second option. I watched his highlights from last year, and they were improbable, high risk low reward efforts that reminded me of some of AI's stuff (I don't mean that in a good way). His mindset of attack is as boorish as Lowry, but without an inate sense of calculated risk.

He's certainly talented and I've always thought he was a good coach away from being a good prospect. But he's had similar advanced stats for 3 years, and he played for Doug Collins, who is very very good for rebuilding efforts. Now I don't know anymore...

My gut reaction wasn't that drafting a backup policy to Bynum was bad, I just didn't agree with Noels being said backup policy. I didn't see the young pgs drafted either, so I just assumed they were tanking all the more. Still, they are going to have an interesting time scoring next year.

Utah did very, very well in the last 3 drafts. They've got some very good pieces moving forward. Going 43-39 in the NW division is hard, especially with Mo Williams, Jamaal Tinsley and Randy Foye part of your back court rotation. If kids develop, they'll be good in 2-3 years.

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