LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[BullsFTW]

TB is legit and overall pretty cool. The Portland bored is lucky to have him. We've been going back and forth the past few days with what we're hearing and it's cool because we are hearing the same exact things, but at the same time I am getting what the Blazers are thinking and he is getting what the Bulls are thinking.

This thing is far from over

Thanks Ralph.

So in your opinion do you see a deal getting done without us having to give up Noah and Jimmy?

The Bulls IMO won't do Noah and Jimmy for LMA and Portland even knows Noah and Charlotte pick isn't going. The Bulls don't want to do Noah straight up for him, so they aren't going to add anything.

I know he wants Chicago but there are other teams as well. In the end, we never seem to get a deal like this done, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. How many times as Bulls fans have we been burned, way too many.

I see us getting outbid by another team. That is not off of any information, just my personal opinion.

Didn't sources say we may have a more attractive package compared to others teams?! He specifically mentioned Chicago as a preferred destination, doesn't that scare teams off. I also think the CHA Pick is the one asset that stands out, knowing it will most likely be a lottery pick down the road.

[Leto]

Aldridge is marginally better than Boozer and a little younger.

Come on yall.

I love my team but our fans are ridiculous. Jesus.

Precisely identify what makes Aldridge so much better than Boozer.

After, tell me what you would trade to get Aldridge. Keep in mind, if you want to amnesty Boozer afterwards, I consider that part of the trade. IOW, if you say you'll send Deng + and then amnesty Boozer, the trade is, in essence, Boozer and Deng for Aldridge.

[adam g]

Come on yall.

I love my team but our fans are ridiculous. Jesus.

Precisely identify what makes Aldridge so much better than Boozer.

He has a back to the basket game that Boozer never had and never will, probably because he's too short to do it. LMA is a better shooter, scorer, gets to the line more often and is a much better defender. Not to mention being four years younger than Booz. LMA is also less likely to miss big parts of the season injured.

After, tell me what you would trade to get Aldridge. Keep in mind, if you want to amnesty Boozer afterwards, I consider that part of the trade. IOW, if you say you'll send Deng + and then amnesty Boozer, the trade is, in essence, Boozer and Deng for Aldridge.

I would do Deng and Boozer for LMA yesterday. Portland never would.

[whodey]

Count me in on wanting LMA, not at all costs, but I would like him. I don't think he's a realistic option until Gibson can be moved though.

I think the Boozer vs Aldridge debate is fair. In fact, I would maybe say Boozer was probably more skilled with better footwork when Boozer was younger and similar in age for comparison purposes. BUT, the size of LMA I what I want. Today's NBA has so much length and athleticism that Boozer has struggled to be a consistent player unless his jumper is falling. LMA stands a legit 6'11'' to Boozer's 6'8-6'9 frame.

[bullsaficianado]

It would take Noah, we need him he is an energy guy so no thanks. If they won't take Boozer/Deng for Aldridge than screw it.

[whodey]

Does anyone know when Gibson can be traded without restrictions?

[Ralphb07]

Thanks Ralph.

So in your opinion do you see a deal getting done without us having to give up Noah and Jimmy?

The Bulls IMO won't do Noah and Jimmy for LMA and Portland even knows Noah and Charlotte pick isn't going. The Bulls don't want to do Noah straight up for him, so they aren't going to add anything.

I know he wants Chicago but there are other teams as well. In the end, we never seem to get a deal like this done, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. How many times as Bulls fans have we been burned, way too many.

I see us getting outbid by another team. That is not off of any information, just my personal opinion.

Didn't sources say we may have a more attractive package compared to others teams?! He specifically mentioned Chicago as a preferred destination, doesn't that scare teams off. I also think the CHA Pick is the one asset that stands out, knowing it will most likely be a lottery pick down the road.

I believe we did before the draft. Portland liked our offer but it still wasn't enough. Talking to multiple people it was Gibson, Nikola and Charlotte's pick (I don't know what fillers were going to make it work or not, just the main pieces being offered)

[Ralphb07]

I think that the only was the Bulls would deal Noah was if they got a Asik type of C somehow. Other than that, Noah is staying. So I'd pay attention to Houston and Howard.

[weneeda2guard]

once howard makes his decision, the remaining teams who got left out will then turn they attention towards josh smith and lamarcus aldridge

they will out bid us. this is why sitting on our hands and hoping portland realizes our package is the best is going to bite us in the end. we need to get behind the howard drama and lock aldridge up now. its probably going to take losing deng and taj to get it done, but imo you have to do it. i think we can come up with a great package if we use deng and taj, but we have to move now.

gar pax have never pulled off a blockbuster deal. never. they continue to wait, they will be up against gms who do block buster deals in they sleep. once mark cuban and mitch kupchak start calling gar pax can forget it. they make the bold moves, they will part with they players they dont care. we find it hard to part with jimmy butler and miritoc. while we hesitant they will be closing deals.

my solution: see if we can obtain a slightly protected 2014 1st rd pick from a lottery team and use deng to get it. we might have to take back a bad contract to make it happen, but make sure they throw in the pick.

taj, bobcat pick, 2014 pick and our 2014 pick maybe even the rights to miritoc is a deal i think portland cant say no to. that is the type of deal it could take. we wait around and we risk cuban, kupchak and others going after aldridge once d12 falls off the board. or we risk portland just deciding to sit on aldridge 1 more season which puts us into the 2014 off season in which everybody will be going crazy to make moves.

we make those moves now, lock in our roster, and let all the other teams lose they minds next summer.

[logical_art]

I don't get the comparisons with Boozer from his Jazz days and using that to discount Aldridge.

What exactly is the point, that power forwards traded to the Bulls will invariably see a Boozer-like decrease in their production because Boozer did? What's the theory behind that? Or is it more specific, like all power forwards we get from the Western Conference will see a Boozer like decrease in production? Again, why?

[fleet]

taj, bobcat pick, 2014 pick and our 2014 pick maybe even the rights to miritoc is a deal i think portland cant say no to.

I don't like making assumptions based on rumors, but if Ralph has the hookup, apparently thats just what they did. Said no to Taj, Bobs pick and Mirotic. Portland isn't serious about dealing Aldridge right now and are sitting there like Rick Harrison behind the pawn shop counter treating the Bulls like a desperate character who needs the deal more than Rick does. Rick doesn't care, he isn't the one who walked into the shop.

[singal3]

Wow they are crazy if they said no Mirotic, Charlotte pick and Gibson.

It gives them a good player on a reasonable contract to provide leadership, yet, not screw up there chances of getting a very high pick in 2014. It also gives them 2 potential lottery players in the next 1-2 years.

I can't see where they would get a better deal then that.

[Leto]

I love my team but our fans are ridiculous. Jesus.

Precisely identify what makes Aldridge so much better than Boozer.

He has a back to the basket game that Boozer never had and never will, probably because he's too short to do it. LMA is a better shooter, scorer, gets to the line more often and is a much better defender. Not to mention being four years younger than Booz. LMA is also less likely to miss big parts of the season injured.

After, tell me what you would trade to get Aldridge. Keep in mind, if you want to amnesty Boozer afterwards, I consider that part of the trade. IOW, if you say you'll send Deng + and then amnesty Boozer, the trade is, in essence, Boozer and Deng for Aldridge.

I would do Deng and Boozer for LMA yesterday. Portland never would.

Aldridge doesn't really have a back to the basket game. He's mostly a face up player. He has a decent running hook shot in the lane, but he's really not much better than Boozer, if at all, in the low block. And yes, Boozer absolutely has a back to the basket game. That's just a false statement.

I don't know where you get he's a better shooter from? he's just not. We can actually use numbers to gauge FG% and they're written down. Go look.

Also, Boozer is definitely a better rebounder. Although, LMA had a good rebounding year last season.

Defense? Portland has one of the worst defenses in the league and Aldridge is a big reason why. He dos not protect the paint or rotate well. Neither does Boozer, but it isn't an advantage that LMA brings to the table.

People get injured. Sometimes LMA gets injured. I do not know how you're calculating that Boozer is more likely to get injured than LMA. Its just nonsense.

It doesn't really matter what Portland will or will not take for Aldridge. What matters is what we would be willing to give up. There's no way I'd give Boozer and Deng for Aldridge and I seriously doubt Garpax would either. One or the other? Sure, but not both.

[pylb]

once howard makes his decision, the remaining teams who got left out will then turn they attention towards josh smith and lamarcus aldridge

No they won't. LMA isn't a free agent.

Wow they are crazy if they said no Mirotic, Charlotte pick and Gibson.

No they aren't. A bench player, an unproven euro and a pick that might not be available or 3 years isn't a great offer for a franchise centerpiece with two years left on his contract.
(by franchise centerpiece, I mean he's the one they were building around, not that he can carry a team through the playoffs)

[SteveDobbs]

I can't believe LaMarcus hates Portland after everything the city has done for him.

[coldfish]

Yeah, if the Bulls want LMA, its Noah and some combination of the charlotte pick, Butler and Mirotic. I suspect that there are zero Bulls fans that would make that deal.

[Former Roy]

So basically the Bulls don't really want to aquire LA.

I know Thibs needs his 'defenders' but you can miss me with losing Mirotic for Noah. The guy is gonna be great in Chicago.

Aldridge / Mirotic would be a problem on a nightly basis...

[coldfish]

So basically the Bulls don't really want to aquire LA.

The Bulls don't want Aldridge at Portland's price, which based on many, many rumors is completely insane.

- They turned down #1 and #19 plus capspace
- They turned down Gibson, Cha pick and Mirotic
- They publicly said they only will trade LA for Horford, Love, Blake Griffin, etc.
- They are rumored to have asked for Noah plus other assets.

The guy is good and would help the Bulls, but he is nowhere near that good. Any trade with Portland at this point is likely going to make the trading team significantly worse over the long term.

[Sonny_D1]

You know what today is? Another day in which LA's trade value has gone down. Be patient LA fans, if he really wants to be a Bull bad enough it will eventually happen.

[logical_art]

One problem with trading for LA is that we're going to be hard pressed to flip Boozer for anything of value and therefore the net impact of the trade will be lower than it might seem.

Basically we'd be trading whatever we gave up for LA + Boozer for LA.

All this assuming Boozers value is close to zero because of the contract. That may be wrong.