Glen Rice Jr.

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...with Jrue gone from Philly, we'll get a chance to see relatively quickly if Nate is a big gauge player, he'll have opportunity to contest with MCW for that PG spot.

Didn't Wolters end up in Milwaukee?

And I think Philly wound up w/ Pierre Jackson -- another pg prospect.

Really hard to keep up w/ the player movement that happened in and around this draft!

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Super, I know rocky thinks it dilutes my argument for liking several picks, but McCallum is yet another, ROCK SOLID pick.

--He won a state championship at Detroit Country Day School, the same school that produced Chris Webber and Shane Battier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Country_Day_School (Guess who else attended--Javale McGee and actor Robin Williams)

--He was a McDonald's AA, Super, you're right.

--He played for his dad, the coach of UD Mercy.

--And, he's ATHLETIC as well as a good PG skill-wise.

In this draft I feel Trey Burke will not end up being the best PG. Before Wall was drafted I did say he would struggle against other PGs in the NBA. Burke's a good shooter and floor general but he's going to get beat up in the NBA. His speed game won't be as effective. He's NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD as Chris Paul. Yes, he'll be successful but I think he's going to struggle and never will be even as good as Kyrie Irving. I can't say who but just going by the number of PGs in this class, I strongly feel another will be better than Burke.

McCallum seems like a very strong candidate to enter that discussion of who could be better than Burke. Wolters is, obviously as well. McCallum would have fit the image and filled a need. Those who say they prefer athleticism could not have complained if McCallum was picked and not Wolters.

This draft really reminds me of the 2009 draft. A lot of the guys drafted in the 30s-50s (maybe 6 or 7 players) are going to be better than guys drafted lottery to 20s. There will also be at least a couple un drafted players who end up starting within their first 3 years in the league.

But McCallum was gone when we picked. And why are we to presume that the Kings would have picked him for us in return for our #38 and #54? We don't even know whether we tried to get him that way -- maybe we did?

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This extensive video analysis must already be posted here, but if so I've missed it. Very worth watching:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Glen-Rice-19807/

Definitely a dynamic player. Off what I see, he can certainly be a rotation player in the NBA, maybe a very good player. To me there's no question he's a 2 not a 3.

Rice has stuff to work on, especially on D, and his quickness is a question. Then again, w/o those issues he'd have been taken in the lottery!

Keeping in mind that Glen Rice Jr. is 2 1/2 years older than Bradley Beal, it'll be interesting to see whether he takes minutes from him this year. (not suggesting he has the same upside...)

[sfam]

This extensive video analysis must already be posted here, but if so I've missed it. Very worth watching:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Glen-Rice-19807/

Definitely a dynamic player. Off what I see, he can certainly be a rotation player in the NBA, maybe a very good player. To me there's no question he's a 2 not a 3.

Rice has stuff to work on, especially on D, and his quickness is a question. Then again, w/o those issues he'd have been taken in the lottery!

Keeping in mind that Glen Rice Jr. is 2 1/2 years older than Bradley Beal, it'll be interesting to see whether he takes minutes from him this year. (not suggesting he has the same upside...)

At a minimum, Rice looks like a decent handicap if Beal gets hurt again. In looking at it, its really hard to argue with EG on this pick. Muscala, Wolters and the rest may turn out to be solid NBA players, but its hard too look at Rice's game and not think he doesn't stick. Again,, the one objection that makes sense is we already found a solid backup in Webster, but at least Rice is cheaper.

[doclinkin]

Watching the DLeague footage, GRjr will need to get comfortable in a team defense scheme before he takes minutes from anybody.

Also it makes it clear why the DLeague is only a useful tool if we can get a team of our own. There is no team defense played at all. Zippy. Zilch. Zero. I suspect the Austin Toros play a lick of it, but in this series playground ball was the rule and order of the day and my boy GRJr was about as hapless as any of the others. He will make a spectacular defensive play but thinks only to D with his hands, not his positioning and feet and body and angles and force rules or nothin'.

Good thing then that we have a starter playing ahead of him. And good too that he has learned once already that in order to get PT you have to shut up and listen to the coach and do what they ask. Because Witt will bench the heckoutta him and leave him benched until he's ready to work hard on that. He's a little better than Anthony Bennett, he tries some, but is often left ball watching instead of marking his man. Some difficulty is that he was the replacement PF for Royce White when the big man was called up, so he was meandering around in the paint looking for rebounds and not really boxing out for anyone else to snare them, and was always slow in rotations, maybe from unfamiliarity, maybe from slow recognition, whatever.

Unlike Anthony Bennett however he's a 2nd rounder with low expectations set for him, so not a coach killer -- at least until he gets any PT and starts doing some of the spectacular things which he's capable of, and the buzz starts.

He's a fun player to watch, is not as agonizingly frustrating to watch on defense as Bennett, since at any moment the kid can snatch a rebound that was clearly meant for someone else or from flatfooted stance uncork a spectacular block, climbing a stepladder a full foot above what you thought he was capable of.

He runs and moves in such an awkward way, its like an athletic toddler who isn't quite in total control, but naturally deft by instinct. On offense though, damn. He can make insane plays, things you did not see coming, but everything is done with an offhand flair and swagger and flash, again fun to watch if not fundamentally sound, never boring. He does show the ability to move without the ball a bit to get open, and can make some sidearm gunslinger passes that did not look like they were there, surprising his teammates at times.

His handle is not tight but his hands are suction cups and he's damn strong so that even when he loses the ball due to pressure (twice in the first game) he'd just reach out and take the ball back, then take and make make the shot. And he has every shot in his repertoire. All of them. Pick a spot in the halfcourt and it's in his range, in traffic or not.

Fun to watch though I can see how he may be a headache to coach. I think so much of what he does is by instinct more than repetition and fundamental coaching. Basketball is his first language, he speaks it so he never had to learn the grammar and spelling. His defensive grammar is atrocious, but man the kid can fluently rhyme on offense. This will be fun watching the board catch on to him and listening to the Phone Booth chant for an appearance in a blowout.

Hopefully he learns to move his feet and play with his body on D. And if he can learn to set a solid screen he's gonna hurt somebody. Kid doesn't look as strong as he is, but he's dense as a sack of concrete mix.

[queridiculo]

We don't have a backup in Webster yet, who knows how much he will command and whether the Wizards want to match.

Personally, I'm not so sure it makes sense to sign Webster to a longterm deal. The $3-4 million a year could be money that we don't have available in free agency next year.

Might as well roll the dice with what we got and groom Rice.

[DCsOwn]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnKuqc834I8



The number one play is pretty as well

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6wzLyW2ghkE

[DCsOwn]

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[theboomking]

I was going to post that, minus the character concerns, Rice might be preferable to McLemore. He has better wingspan and standing reach, a better no step vert, better sprint and agility times, and looks just as athletic on the court as his measured numbers would suggest. Rice posted more rebounds, steals, assists and blocks in his last year at GT and in the D league than McLemore at Kansas. I was under the impression however that Rice was a better shooter. Based on his numbers, he looks like a streak shooter, not the pure shooter that McLemore is.

In 4 years of college and the D-League, Rice has had a 3P% of .466, .302, .333, and .379. His FT% has been even less impressive at .558, .637, .606, and .738. Rice's ability to succeed with us may very well depend on his ability to improve as a shooter.

How about JR Smith as a comp? Slightly shorter, but a little more athletic.

[DCsOwn]

I was going to post that, minus the character concerns, Rice might be preferable to McLemore. He has better wingspan and standing reach, a better no step vert, better sprint and agility times, and looks just as athletic on the court as his measured numbers would suggest. Rice posted more rebounds, steals, assists and blocks in his last year at GT and in the D league than McLemore at Kansas. I was under the impression however that Rice was a better shooter. Based on his numbers, he looks like a streak shooter, not the pure shooter that McLemore is.

In 4 years of college and the D-League, Rice has had a 3P% of .466, .302, .333, and .379. His FT% has been even less impressive at .558, .637, .606, and .738. Rice's ability to succeed with us may very well depend on his ability to improve as a shooter.

How about JR Smith as a comp? Slightly shorter, but a little more athletic.

Depending on whether or not you believe the sample size to be revelatory, you can make the argument that Rice took a step forward as a shooter last year. He shot 42 percent from the NBA line as a starter in the D League, 39 percent overall on the season (which obviously includes the time it took Rice to acclimate himself to the new level of competition and longer distance), and he spoke about how much he benefited from the extra time afforded to him by being a professional, and how it helped him develop a great deal more consistency with his shot. Based on his form and shot balance, I think he'll be an above average three point shooter at worst in the league, and the great thing about Rice for us is that he shoots well off the dribble, off of movement and he has the physical ability to elevate whenever he wants to get off shots against anyone. He's not great putting it on the floor, but he does it well enough to be an effective threat to create his own offense.

As you stated though, he really does have a complete game. He is obviously very gifted physically and that allows him to impact literally every facet of the game . The great thing about our perimeter kids (he and Wall and Porter and Beal) is that they are all very multi-dimensional. Rice at the moment is the least defensively responsible of the group, but he flashes the ability to be very disruptive on that end, and like Wall, Beal and Porter, he impacts the game in every other respect. They all rebound, they all pass very well, they all block shots and get steals etc. From a talent perspective, Rice fits right into what we're trying to do philosophically with this group.

[Kanyewest]

I was going to post that, minus the character concerns, Rice might be preferable to McLemore. He has better wingspan and standing reach, a better no step vert, better sprint and agility times, and looks just as athletic on the court as his measured numbers would suggest. Rice posted more rebounds, steals, assists and blocks in his last year at GT and in the D league than McLemore at Kansas. I was under the impression however that Rice was a better shooter. Based on his numbers, he looks like a streak shooter, not the pure shooter that McLemore is.

In 4 years of college and the D-League, Rice has had a 3P% of .466, .302, .333, and .379. His FT% has been even less impressive at .558, .637, .606, and .738. Rice's ability to succeed with us may very well depend on his ability to improve as a shooter.

How about JR Smith as a comp? Slightly shorter, but a little more athletic.

That being said, McLemore is 2 years younger than Rice. I would be surprised if Rice turns out to be the better player.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wolters is a much better player than Rice. I am convinced of this.

All the grief I've gotten the past 36 hours for criticizing the trade is going to make for a great, "I told you so" later.

Four years of data vs six games of D-League, plus a whole lot of streaky play and baggage. Rice did prove to be the third most proficient in WS/48 in the D-League. He was nothing less than spectacular in the playoffs. He's got the physical profile to make it in the NBA like Alonzo Gee, Garrett Temple, and many others. (Like Morris Almond).

But this kid Wolters is special. EG don't recognize special.

This is going to be almost as bad as passing on Curry/Rubio to take a flier of a year on Foye and Miller.

[montestewart]

Wolters is a much better player than Rice. I am convinced of this.

All the grief I've gotten the past 36 hours for criticizing the trade is going to make for a great, "I told you so" later.

Four years of data vs six games of D-League, plus a whole lot of streaky play and baggage. Rice did prove to be the third most proficient in WS/48 in the D-League. He was nothing less than spectacular in the playoffs. He's got the physical profile to make it in the NBA like Alonzo Gee, Garrett Temple, and many others. (Like Morris Almond).

But this kid Wolters is special. EG don't recognize special.

This is going to be almost as bad as passing on Curry/Rubio to take a flier of a year on Foye and Miller.

Well I never gave you grief CCJ. Wolters would have been my choice, sold as I was by the assessments and statistical analyses of you, payitforward, and a number of others. I do recall someone (maybe nate33?) mentioning that despite his obvious talent, he might not have fit into the Wizards system as well as other systems, and the change of pace from Wall might have decreased his value to the team, but all that's over my head. As a 2nd round pick, a back up, a potential 3rd guard of the future, a person who could put points up and hit the 3 pretty well all through school, a person who might have very well fit a specific need, he seemed the right choice.

I don't know much about Rice, but I'm not all that worried just yet about his so-called character issues. I take to payitforward's point that Rice had a potentially very humbling experience, getting bounced out of school and playing in the D-League to prove his worth. He seems to have proven his worth somewhat, and also shown somewhat that he might have gotten a little scared straight. We'll see if that's the case, but like every other player that I didn't really want (Nene, Okafor, Ariza, Miller, Foye, Vesely--I'll stop there, it could be a long list) I'll hope that he exceeds my expectations, as sometimes happens.

Getting Porter and Rice may eventually allow the Wizards to get a little of that Spurs mojo, with so many players (Beal, Porter, Rice, Ariza, and Webster, Price and Martin if they stick around) that can hit the long ball that it's not hard to have 2 or 3 on the floor at any given time. That would be a nice change from the "Give Wall some targets" mantra of recent years. I'm just going to mesmerize myself into thinking that Rice is a feel good story in the making.

[doclinkin]

Starved for basketball anyway, I may as well watch the whole DLeague finals series:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFp5_ftaNfs[/youtube]

14:10 begins a sequence showing both the bad then good. He tries a flashy pass too low, but then comes back for 2 back to back alley oops beginning 14:30 or so.

Want to see a pretty and NBA caliber play:

1:51:50 begins an inbounds play that where he runs off a downscreen and kills an offbalance 3pter.

And 1:55:30 has a good highlight reel from the first 3/4 of the game.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wolters is a much better player than Rice. I am convinced of this.

All the grief I've gotten the past 36 hours for criticizing the trade is going to make for a great, "I told you so" later.

Four years of data vs six games of D-League, plus a whole lot of streaky play and baggage. Rice did prove to be the third most proficient in WS/48 in the D-League. He was nothing less than spectacular in the playoffs. He's got the physical profile to make it in the NBA like Alonzo Gee, Garrett Temple, and many others. (Like Morris Almond).

But this kid Wolters is special. EG don't recognize special.

This is going to be almost as bad as passing on Curry/Rubio to take a flier of a year on Foye and Miller.

Well I never gave you grief CCJ. Wolters would have been my choice, sold as I was by the assessments and statistical analyses of you, payitforward, and a number of others. I do recall someone (maybe nate33?) mentioning that despite his obvious talent, he might not have fit into the Wizards system as well as other systems, and the change of pace from Wall might have decreased his value to the team, but all that's over my head. As a 2nd round pick, a back up, a potential 3rd guard of the future, a person who could put points up and hit the 3 pretty well all through school, a person who might have very well fit a specific need, he seemed the right choice.

I don't know much about Rice, but I'm not all that worried just yet about his so-called character issues. I take to payitforward's point that Rice had a potentially very humbling experience, getting bounced out of school and playing in the D-League to prove his worth. He seems to have proven his worth somewhat, and also shown somewhat that he might have gotten a little scared straight. We'll see if that's the case, but like every other player that I didn't really want (Nene, Okafor, Ariza, Miller, Foye, Vesely--I'll stop there, it could be a long list) I'll hope that he exceeds my expectations, as sometimes happens.

Getting Porter and Rice may eventually allow the Wizards to get a little of that Spurs mojo, with so many players (Beal, Porter, Rice, Ariza, and Webster, Price and Martin if they stick around) that can hit the long ball that it's not hard to have 2 or 3 on the floor at any given time. That would be a nice change from the "Give Wall some targets" mantra of recent years. I'm just going to mesmerize myself into thinking that Rice is a feel good story in the making.

I'm not mad at you, jim, fish, or anyone else, monte.

I expect that kind of character attack from DCZ.

I am just on a soapbox for Ernie Grunfeld missing the mark on drafting Wolters (or Jackson and others). I'm a little surprised that only 2 or 3 others are not high on the pick, and only Super seems to be right there with me on the principle of this selection. I don't see how so many people can say they would have picked Wolters as well, but they're high to very high on GR III.

Had EG picked Robinson 54 I would have been okay with the move....

But you don't trade away two possible solid players (didn't have to be Wolters and Kazemi, there were others) who MIGHT make and improve this team for one dude with a VERY shaky past. It's just dumb IMO.

[DCZards]

I expect that kind of character attack from DCZ.

Character attack, ccj? Not hardly. I suggest you revisit some of things you've said about Rice Jr. over the past two days if you want to see a character attack.

In either case, I apologize if you consider what I wrote a character attack. I was just disappointed (and a little shocked) that, instead of criticizing the Wolters vs. Rice decision on its bball merits, you chose to resort to name-calling.

[hands11]

In the unfortunate event that one of our wings goes down with an injury, it will be a nice consolation prize that for once we have enough depth to pull somebody off of the end of the bench who is actually capable of filling in. I'm envisioning a dream scenario where somebody goes down to injury (okay I don't want anyone to get hurt, but you'll see where I'm going with this in a second), or perhaps we trade Ariza at the deadline, and Rice starts getting regular playing time. Then Rice hits the ground running, and proves he belongs in this league and deserves regular minutes. Then maybe we roll with him as our backup SG for the next year or so, and hopefully we can get his value up high enough that we could trade him at the deadline in a year or two for a valuable piece, maybe a future 1st round pick or that quality big man we desperately need. I could see him blossoming into a quality player, and since we'll have plenty of depth at the wings, we'll be able to trade him or another one of them away and cash in while their value is at its highest. That's good asset management if we can swing something like that.

He replaced C Martin on the roster. That's all I have him penciled in for right now. One of the back up SGs who can also play SF.

People on this board are always getting to high or to low on ever single thing that happens.

Rice doesn't mean Webster is not going to be here. He was just one 2nd round pick they added. They upgraded their bench from the heartless Martin. Thats a good thing. They are adding depth which they needed.

[hands11]

This extensive video analysis must already be posted here, but if so I've missed it. Very worth watching:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Glen-Rice-19807/

Definitely a dynamic player. Off what I see, he can certainly be a rotation player in the NBA, maybe a very good player. To me there's no question he's a 2 not a 3.

Rice has stuff to work on, especially on D, and his quickness is a question. Then again, w/o those issues he'd have been taken in the lottery!

Keeping in mind that Glen Rice Jr. is 2 1/2 years older than Bradley Beal, it'll be interesting to see whether he takes minutes from him this year. (not suggesting he has the same upside...)

Come on.. really ? GR Jr taking minutes from Beal ?

[Liverbird]

Sorry if had already been posted.

Chad Ford on Mike and Mike for those interested. 15 second bit about how much he likes the Wizards' draft. Thinks we'll make the playoffs next year.

Starts around 6:23

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9432040

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I expect that kind of character attack from DCZ.

Character attack, ccj? Not hardly. I suggest you revisit some of things you've said about Rice Jr. over the past two days if you want to see a character attack.

In either case, I apologize if you consider what I wrote a character attack. I was just disappointed (and a little shocked) that, instead of criticizing the Wolters vs. Rice decision on its bball merits, you chose to resort to name-calling.

In retrospect, I should have just attacked the deal on merits alone.

I don't know Rice, Jr. I just know if he were interviewing for a job or trying to date a friend or relative, or even someone wanting to be a part of an organization besides the military; I'd want no parts of him just based on his past. I did look at his dad and I did make several harsh judgments. That wasn't necessary.

Passing up a great talent for a guy with questionable character, especially the part where he was with A SHOOTER seems to be really dumb.

I remember 6 or 7 years ago screaming in the room that Gilbert knows his body is breaking down. Don't sign him for opting out injured. At the most, give him 95M, not 111M. Let him walk if need be. Now I'm saying don't sign people who have demonstrated very, very., very bad judgment.

I am surprised that 95% seem very happy with this pick. Experts eschew the gun, dismissal, and court part. The first stupid thing this guy does will bring all kinds of bad press and old footage of gun gate.