Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!?

[Fat]

The Nets will be force to be reckoned with stop kidding yourselves.

You can say Paul Pierce and KG are old

I can counter and say so what ? Paul pierce is not a player who relies on his athleticism to score, same for KG who's more of a spot up shooter and post up player

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Oh man this guy KG is pretty done, what broken down garbage he will be as a 4 or 5th option on the Nets

Monitor their minutes during the season and they'll be just fine.

Lets be real here were talking about KG & Pierce 2 guys who were 1st and 2nd go to options on the Celtics, who will now probably be 4th and 5th options on a team that just won 49 games their first season in brooklyn.

Lopez foot? if he can stay away from injuries, the Eastern conference should start biting their finger nails

i mean even if Lopez went down, look how easily you can rotate KG over to Center and not miss a beat defensively.

But at the end of the Day Lopez health is KEY to how far this Nets team can go.

Chemistry wise i expect them to have a bit of a hard time to start the season.. what newly built team doesnt? to think their going to be the Lakers 2.0 is Comical their nothing like the Lakers, the Lakers couldnt even DEFEND.

[duetta]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

No green font?

[makeitstop]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

No green font?

The Nyets are the new Heat.

[duetta]

paycut? old guys?

nets could max out durant, and he'd be with lopez. KG/Pierce/JJ would all be gone

In the new CBA, you get the most money by staying home. You get the least by going elsewhere. The Nets would be roughly at $35 million with just Williams and Lopez. So, assuming the Nets had virtually no other players left on the roster, they could offer Durant a Max deal at lower raises than Oklahoma can, and for fewer years. Or they could do a sign & trade with Oklahoma, assuming the Thunder will be amenable. But given that the Nets can surrender no #1 picks until 2019, at the earliest, I can't see the Thunder being motivated to helping you out.

And besides, the moment Durant tells Oklahoma he is not re-upping, every team in the league makes an offer, including several teams that I bet he'd want to play for in big markets (like the Lakers, Bulls, heck maybe even the Knicks, etc.).

I crucified Knick managment for sending away draft choices far, far beyond the window of visability, and I sure as hell am not going to cut the Nets any slack for taking an ever greater risk.

Honestly, Dolan looks good compared to the psycho who owns your team.

[PetroNet]

paycut? old guys?

nets could max out durant, and he'd be with lopez. KG/Pierce/JJ would all be gone

In the new CBA, you get the most money by staying home. You get the least by going elsewhere. The Nets would be roughly at $35 million with just Williams and Lopez. So, assuming the Nets had virtually no other players left on the roster, they could offer Durant a Max deal at lower raises than Oklahoma can, and for fewer years. Or they could do a sign & trade with Oklahoma, assuming the Thunder will be amenable. But given that the Nets can surrender no #1 picks until 2019, at the earliest, I can't see the Thunder being motivated to helping you out.

And besides, the moment Durant tells Oklahoma he is not re-upping, every team in the league makes an offer, including several teams that I bet he'd want to play for in big markets (like the Lakers, Bulls, heck maybe even the Knicks, etc.).

I crucified Knick managment for sending away draft choices far, far beyond the window of visability, and I sure as hell am not going to cut the Nets any slack for taking an ever greater risk.

Honestly, Dolan looks good compared to the psycho who owns your team.

Lopez would be expired. it would just be williams. with lopez bird rights we could even send him to okc ina sign and trade for durant. eihter way we would have enough to outright sign him to max or ship out an all-star for him in a sign and trade. which was the point. if we want picks, we could deal lopez for them. the assertation we would be maxed out or couldnt give the max is wrong

its also not set in stone dwill wouldnt opt out that final year. if he did, we would have zero salary and zero players under contract that offseason. durant could pick whomever he wants to buddy up with to come to the nets in that instance

[duetta]

And why would Oklahoma accept an injury prone center who rebounds like an WNBA player in a sign & trade for the 2nd best player in the league?

Lopez was a bust up into last season - and as brittle as china. I expect him to regress back to old self before too long. Honestly, have all the wet dreams you choose, but don't expect serious people to take them seriously.

[Context]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

Grunwald needs to make a move to keep up with chi mia ind bkn or else melo will bolt...he can't fail him like he did carter in tor

I agree Pharm... It's going to be an interesting team to follow on the side. A HOF player coach, along with two HOFer champions, added to a team that won 49 wins.

I wonder if the Knicks are wiring on anything?

[Rasho Brezec]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

No green font?

You're asking a man who called Heat the best team ever because they have 2 Jordans.

[PetroNet]

And why would Oklahoma accept an injury prone center who rebounds like an WNBA player in a sign & trade for the 2nd best player in the league?

Lopez was a bust up into last season - and as brittle as china. I expect him to regress back to old self before too long. Honestly, have all the wet dreams you choose, but don't expect serious people to take them seriously.

a bust prior to last year?

13/8/2
19/8/1.5
20/7/1.5

thats his first 3 seasons. how exactly is being a 20/8/2 type player being a bust? he certainly has his flaws. but when the #10 pick puts up those kind of numbers, you are thrilled, let alone a bust

as far as "brittle as china"

82 games
82 games
82 games
6 games - broken foot
74 games

yea real brittle. if lopez is fragile, then what is amare?

[Pharmcat]

Brooklyn might have the 2nd best starting lineup ever...2 7 footers, 2 6'8"ish wingers who can both create own shot, + a top 3 pg? That's just ridicolous talent and their length will make them win rebound battle every nite.

No green font?

You're asking a man who called Heat the best team ever because they have 2 Jordans.

Plus a robin..plus 2 rings...plus one of the longest winning streak ever....their ever growing resume speaks for themselves.

[duetta]

a bust prior to last year?

13/8/2
19/8/1.5
20/7/1.5

thats his first 3 seasons. how exactly is being a 20/8/2 type player being a bust? he certainly has his flaws. but when the #10 pick puts up those kind of numbers, you are thrilled, let alone a bust

as far as "brittle as china"

82 games
82 games
82 games
6 games - broken foot
74 games

yea real brittle. if lopez is fragile, then what is amare?

Dude has been as soft as tissue. As for Amar'e, stop confusing me for some Knick homer. I damn well know what Amar'e history and prospects are - which is why I think it's crazy to expect aging players to stay healthy, or for "plans" for free agents to be to actually work out. Remember, both the Knicks and Nets gutted their rosters in 2010 in order to sign Lebron, and both teams ended up overpaying suspects or striking out. I'm expecting the same for any Net plan to re-load in 2016...

[PetroNet]

a bust prior to last year?

13/8/2
19/8/1.5
20/7/1.5

thats his first 3 seasons. how exactly is being a 20/8/2 type player being a bust? he certainly has his flaws. but when the #10 pick puts up those kind of numbers, you are thrilled, let alone a bust

as far as "brittle as china"

82 games
82 games
82 games
6 games - broken foot
74 games

yea real brittle. if lopez is fragile, then what is amare?

Dude has been as soft as tissue. As for Amar'e, stop confusing me for some Knick homer. I damn well know what Amar'e history and prospects are - which is why I think it's crazy to expect aging players to stay healthy, or for "plans" for free agents to be to actually work out. Remember, both the Knicks and Nets gutted in 2010 in order to sign Lebron, and both teams essentially overpaid suspects or struck out. I'm expecting the same for any Net plan to re-load in 2016...

playing soft and being a bust arent the same thing. stop back tracking. you called him a bust until last year... he was extremely effective his first 3 seasons, and more then anyone would have predicted, let alone a bust.

also, lets not compare amare to KG or Pierce. KG and pierce havent had multiple microfracture surgeries. they have missed tons of games to injury year after year.

amares missed time is more horrible injures then age.

Also, lets not pretend like you wouldnt be sining a different tune of those two went to the knicks. you'd be saying how KG and Chandler would form the best defensive front court since drob and duncan and how pierce woudl take pressure off carmello and give the knicks another scoring option.

but as nets, they are bums who are sure to have career ending injuries

[shanedude]

Are Knicks fans feeling threatened? I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to jump ship. Nets are in the same city so people can't give you too much ****

[Knicks_Fan2]

Are Knicks fans feeling threatened? I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to jump ship. Nets are in the same city so people can't give you too much ****

Unlike Miami fans, 99.9% of Knick fans stick through the garbage.

[Knicks_Fan2]

a bust prior to last year?

13/8/2
19/8/1.5
20/7/1.5

thats his first 3 seasons. how exactly is being a 20/8/2 type player being a bust? he certainly has his flaws. but when the #10 pick puts up those kind of numbers, you are thrilled, let alone a bust

as far as "brittle as china"

82 games
82 games
82 games
6 games - broken foot
74 games

yea real brittle. if lopez is fragile, then what is amare?

Dude has been as soft as tissue. As for Amar'e, stop confusing me for some Knick homer. I damn well know what Amar'e history and prospects are - which is why I think it's crazy to expect aging players to stay healthy, or for "plans" for free agents to be to actually work out. Remember, both the Knicks and Nets gutted in 2010 in order to sign Lebron, and both teams essentially overpaid suspects or struck out. I'm expecting the same for any Net plan to re-load in 2016...

playing soft and being a bust arent the same thing. stop back tracking. you called him a bust until last year... he was extremely effective his first 3 seasons, and more then anyone would have predicted, let alone a bust.

also, lets not compare amare to KG or Pierce. KG and pierce havent had multiple microfracture surgeries. they have missed tons of games to injury year after year.

amares missed time is more horrible injures then age.

Also, lets not pretend like you wouldnt be sining a different tune of those two went to the knicks. you'd be saying how KG and Chandler would form the best defensive front court since drob and duncan and how pierce woudl take pressure off carmello and give the knicks another scoring option.

but as nets, they are bums who are sure to have career ending injuries

Unclear what you're looking for on this board. There are different prospective opinions you can have about Brooklyn's moves. Of course it's possible that Pierce and KG can maintain their form and turn your team into some sort of contender. It's also possible that they break down and your team suffers the same fate as they did last year. It's most likely that those from a rival team will think the latter will happen while Nets fans would think the former. There is evidence to suggest either possibility to occur but I don't understand why you are coming here and pretending we are "wrong" for holding a prediction that certainly has a likelihood of occurring.

[Knicks_Fan2]

paycut? old guys?

nets could max out durant, and he'd be with lopez. KG/Pierce/JJ would all be gone

In the new CBA, you get the most money by staying home. You get the least by going elsewhere. The Nets would be roughly at $35 million with just Williams and Lopez. So, assuming the Nets had virtually no other players left on the roster, they could offer Durant a Max deal at lower raises than Oklahoma can, and for fewer years. Or they could do a sign & trade with Oklahoma, assuming the Thunder will be amenable. But given that the Nets can surrender no #1 picks until 2019, at the earliest, I can't see the Thunder being motivated to helping you out.

And besides, the moment Durant tells Oklahoma he is not re-upping, every team in the league makes an offer, including several teams that I bet he'd want to play for in big markets (like the Lakers, Bulls, heck maybe even the Knicks, etc.).

I crucified Knick managment for sending away draft choices far, far beyond the window of visability, and I sure as hell am not going to cut the Nets any slack for taking an ever greater risk.

Honestly, Dolan looks good compared to the psycho who owns your team.

Lopez would be expired. it would just be williams. with lopez bird rights we could even send him to okc ina sign and trade for durant. eihter way we would have enough to outright sign him to max or ship out an all-star for him in a sign and trade. which was the point. if we want picks, we could deal lopez for them. the assertation we would be maxed out or couldnt give the max is wrong

its also not set in stone dwill wouldnt opt out that final year. if he did, we would have zero salary and zero players under contract that offseason. durant could pick whomever he wants to buddy up with to come to the nets in that instance

I like that you assume the Nets--who have clearly shown zero semblance of fiscal discipline--will all of a sudden let all contracts expire as opposed to shipping out players like Joe Johnson for 20mm of another aging vet. You can pretend that is going to happen--I guess.

[Knicks_Fan2]

this trade is not a slam dunk they got old really old. Last yr the Knicks were an old team these Nyets are much older. They can not play a full season at full strength 50 wins maybe healthy in the plays prolly not and that is what this is about

KG and pierce can both miss the season and the nets might still win 50. they won 49 last year with dwill injured most of the year and no pierce or KG. so, they dont really need to be healthy all year for the nets to pile up regular season wins.

KG needs to play 22-26 minutes and not suck as much as reggie evans
pierce needs to play 22-26 minutes and not suck as much as wallace

those arent lofty expectations.

also, can we stop comparing the knicks older players last year to the nets new older guys? because thats just a horrible comparison.

kidd was 40, he was a role player with dallas prior to the knick relegated to being a spot up shooter.
Pierce is 36, just posted a 19/6/5 seasons on some of the best effeciency/shooting in a long time

camby was 38, coming off one of his worst seasons as a 20 mpg specialist rebounder scoring 4 points a game.
KG is 37, coming off a 15/8/1.5 Season with a PER of 20 and an all-star apperance.

so its not like this is apple to apples here. The 'old guys' the nets got are guys who just carried their team to a playoff spot and posted legit starting player numbers. the knicks had 2 guys who were already on serious decline and where struggling just to be role players

The point isnt that the Knick old guys were as good as Pierce and KG, it's that they can significantly decline from one year to the next. It's happened before and can certainly happen again here. Did you know Marcus Camby was a leading rebounder (rebounding rate) the year before we signed him? He couldnt even run without suffering from his plantar last season.

[shanedude]

Are Knicks fans feeling threatened? I wouldn't blame you if you wanted to jump ship. Nets are in the same city so people can't give you too much ****

Unlike Miami fans, 99.9% of Knick fans stick through the garbage.

No need to preach, I watched every game of the 15-67 season.

[PetroNet]

The point isnt that the Knick old guys were as good as Pierce and KG, it's that they can significantly decline from one year to the next. It's happened before and can certainly happen again here. Did you know Marcus Camby was a leading rebounder (rebounding rate) the year before we signed him? He couldnt even run without suffering from his plantar last season.

again, they are replacing reggie evans and gerald wallace.

reggie evans!!!

they could be 1/2 the players they were last year and it will still be a massive upgrade. and dont give me camby... he was a role player. reggie evans was this years leading rebounder, and he was trash.

please do no compare camby with portlant as a role player to pierce and KG being optison 1 and 2 carry a team to the playoffs, one going to the all star game and the other dropping 19/6/5

[PetroNet]

I like that you assume the Nets--who have clearly shown zero semblance of fiscal discipline--will all of a sudden let all contracts expire as opposed to shipping out players like Joe Johnson for 20mm of another aging vet. You can pretend that is going to happen--I guess.

that was my point... either way, they are going to retool, and those picks will end up being late round picks. i fully expect billy king to turn joe johnsons expring in to josh smiths crazy max that he is sure to get use the MLE on some aging vet, and then use their other comined expirings to bring in some other overpaid guy.

the nets will be a 6 seed or something and be right back where they were last year with dwill/JJ/lopez.