Will Greg Monroe get a contract extension this summer?

[ComboGuardCity]

DetroitSho running the show in this thread

[ChipButty]

The downside for us of waiting a year is the max contract is a 5 year deal rather than just a 4 year extension.

There will be plenty of teams with space that will offer him Max... teams like Philly are already talking about getting Monroe or Cousins to add to whatever top 5 pick they land next year.

In order for Greg to be eligible for a 5 year deal (and it could only come from the Pistons), he would have to play 2 more seasons before his extension kicks in. If that's the scenario that plays out, fine by me. 2 more cheap years from a guy putting up #s well above his salary. Then you try to lock him up for more total money, but less annually, say $65-70 million over 5 years. Crazy fact is this would be the richest contract in franchise history if I'm not mistaken.

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Griffin and Harden both signed 5 year extensions last year (July 2012 and Oct 2012) before the start of their 4th seasons in the league. Why couldn't Moose sign a 5 year extension before October 31st? Isn't that what Cousins is demanding?

Biggest problem with giving Moose a 5 year deal, is that we wouldn't be able to give Dre a 5 year deal. I think 4 years is the max we offer Moose. Unless Moose is no longer on the team, of course.

[Natopher]

Miami has 3 max players. OKC has 2 and 1 almost (Ibaka). Why wouldn't we be able to max Dre if Monroe had a max?

[DetroitSho]

The downside for us of waiting a year is the max contract is a 5 year deal rather than just a 4 year extension.

There will be plenty of teams with space that will offer him Max... teams like Philly are already talking about getting Monroe or Cousins to add to whatever top 5 pick they land next year.

In order for Greg to be eligible for a 5 year deal (and it could only come from the Pistons), he would have to play 2 more seasons before his extension kicks in. If that's the scenario that plays out, fine by me. 2 more cheap years from a guy putting up #s well above his salary. Then you try to lock him up for more total money, but less annually, say $65-70 million over 5 years. Crazy fact is this would be the richest contract in franchise history if I'm not mistaken.

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Griffin and Harden both signed 5 year extensions last year (July 2012 and Oct 2012) before the start of their 4th seasons in the league. Why couldn't Moose sign a 5 year extension before October 31st? Isn't that what Cousins is demanding?

Biggest problem with giving Moose a 5 year deal, is that we wouldn't be able to give Dre a 5 year deal. I think 4 years is the max we offer Moose. Unless Moose is no longer on the team, of course.

Read what I said. I said he would have to play 2 seasons before it KICKED IN. Last year was Harden's 4th year and he was still on his rookie contract. His extension kicks in this season, his 5th, as would be the case with Greg. Griffin is a "super max" player or whatever the designation is. I think you're confusing things which is why I hate people just throwing around the word max. The max means different things and amounts for different players.
The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

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[ElectricMayhem]

I hope he gets that mid-range down,if not than I guess we found our back up c

God, I hope this is sarcasm. Even without a mid-range shot he was the 24th most efficient player in the league in his 3rd year.

[ImHeisenberg]

Miami has 3 max players. OKC has 2 and 1 almost (Ibaka). Why wouldn't we be able to max Dre if Monroe had a max?

You can only give out one 5-year extension to a current player, everyone else is capped at 4. I'm not sure of the technicalities though, but that's basically it.

[Natopher]

Seriously?! I didn't know that. That seems kinda silly.

[ChipButty]

Read what I said. I said he would have to play 2 seasons before it KICKED IN. Last year was Harden's 4th year and he was still on his rookie contract. His extension kicks in this season, his 5th, as would be the case with Greg. Griffin is a "super max" player or whatever the designation is. I think you're confusing things which is why I hate people just throwing around the word max. The max means different things and amounts for different players.
The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

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I read what you said. It didn't make sense.

In order for Greg to be eligible for a 5 year deal (and it could only come from the Pistons), he would have to play 2 more seasons before his extension kicks in.

He's eligible this Summer and if we came to an agreement he would only have to play 1 year (his 4th) before it kicked in at the start of his 5th.

2 more cheap years from a guy putting up #s well above his salary.

He's already played 3 seasons. We are not getting 2 more cheap years. Assuming we don't agree to an extension before Oct 31st, somebody will offer him a 4 year max deal (or very close to a max deal) next offseason.

The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

None of our players are currently eligible for a super max deal. To qualify for that you need to either be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or named to an All-NBA Team twice, or named MVP.

[ChipButty]

Seriously?! I didn't know that. That seems kinda silly.

It's the designated player rule. There is an article about it here. It's what stopped OKC from offering Harden a 5 year extension and it makes building through the draft slightly harder.
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/10/team ... ayers.html

[kurtis48239]

I hope he gets that mid-range down,if not than I guess we found our back up c

God, I hope this is sarcasm. Even without a mid-range shot he was the 24th most efficient player in the league in his 3rd year.

I would much rather have a athletic/shooter/defender at pf,greg is all well and good in the regular season if he never developes a mid-range but come playoff time its a whole other beast.If he developes a mid-range then iam cool with keeping him at pf.

[DetroitSho]

I hope he gets that mid-range down,if not than I guess we found our back up c

God, I hope this is sarcasm. Even without a mid-range shot he was the 24th most efficient player in the league in his 3rd year.

I would much rather have a athletic/shooter/defender at pf,greg is all well and good in the regular season if he never developes a mid-range but come playoff time its a whole other beast.If he developes a mid-range then iam cool with keeping him at pf.

OK and this player's name is?

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[DetroitSho]

Read what I said. I said he would have to play 2 seasons before it KICKED IN. Last year was Harden's 4th year and he was still on his rookie contract. His extension kicks in this season, his 5th, as would be the case with Greg. Griffin is a "super max" player or whatever the designation is. I think you're confusing things which is why I hate people just throwing around the word max. The max means different things and amounts for different players.
The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

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I read what you said. It didn't make sense.

In order for Greg to be eligible for a 5 year deal (and it could only come from the Pistons), he would have to play 2 more seasons before his extension kicks in.

He's eligible this Summer and if we came to an agreement he would only have to play 1 year (his 4th) before it kicked in at the start of his 5th.

2 more cheap years from a guy putting up #s well above his salary.

He's already played 3 seasons. We are not getting 2 more cheap years. Assuming we don't agree to an extension before Oct 31st, somebody will offer him a 4 year max deal (or very close to a max deal) next offseason.

The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

None of our players are currently eligible for a super max deal. To qualify for that you need to either be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or named to an All-NBA Team twice, or named MVP.

You're the one mentioning us having or not having leverage and you also mentioned the possibility of being an UFA, the only way that happens is if he plays this year and then again next year for the Qualifying Offer, meaning two more cheap rookie scale years. Otherwise we don't lose any leverage to resign him between this summer or next summer.

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[ChipButty]

Read what I said. I said he would have to play 2 seasons before it KICKED IN. Last year was Harden's 4th year and he was still on his rookie contract. His extension kicks in this season, his 5th, as would be the case with Greg. Griffin is a "super max" player or whatever the designation is. I think you're confusing things which is why I hate people just throwing around the word max. The max means different things and amounts for different players.
The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

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I read what you said. It didn't make sense.

In order for Greg to be eligible for a 5 year deal (and it could only come from the Pistons), he would have to play 2 more seasons before his extension kicks in.

He's eligible this Summer and if we came to an agreement he would only have to play 1 year (his 4th) before it kicked in at the start of his 5th.

2 more cheap years from a guy putting up #s well above his salary.

He's already played 3 seasons. We are not getting 2 more cheap years. Assuming we don't agree to an extension before Oct 31st, somebody will offer him a 4 year max deal (or very close to a max deal) next offseason.

The Pistons can resign their whole roster to max contracts if they want to. But only one of those players will be eligible for the super max.

None of our players are currently eligible for a super max deal. To qualify for that you need to either be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or named to an All-NBA Team twice, or named MVP.

You're the one mentioning us having or not having leverage and you also mentioned the possibility of being an UFA, the only way that happens is if he plays this year and then again next year for the Qualifying Offer, meaning two more cheap rookie scale years. Otherwise we don't lose any leverage to resign him between this summer or next summer.

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We don't lose the leverage to resign him, but we do lose our leverage to negotiate the price.

His current contract only has $4M in guaranteed money. Do you really think he's happy with that situation? Right now, no matter what his agent claims, we have leverage.

We could offer a 4 year extension at $2-3M/year below the max. That's 4 years and somewhere between $48 and $52 million dollars of guaranteed money. He is a career ending injury away from never seeing that kind of offer. No way he wouldn't seriously consider it.

[DetroitSho]

I read what you said. It didn't make sense.



He's eligible this Summer and if we came to an agreement he would only have to play 1 year (his 4th) before it kicked in at the start of his 5th.



He's already played 3 seasons. We are not getting 2 more cheap years. Assuming we don't agree to an extension before Oct 31st, somebody will offer him a 4 year max deal (or very close to a max deal) next offseason.



None of our players are currently eligible for a super max deal. To qualify for that you need to either be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or named to an All-NBA Team twice, or named MVP.

You're the one mentioning us having or not having leverage and you also mentioned the possibility of being an UFA, the only way that happens is if he plays this year and then again next year for the Qualifying Offer, meaning two more cheap rookie scale years. Otherwise we don't lose any leverage to resign him between this summer or next summer.

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We don't lose the leverage to resign him, but we do lose our leverage to negotiate the price.

His current contract only has $4M in guaranteed money. Do you really think he's happy with that situation? Right now, no matter what his agent claims, we have leverage.

We could offer a 4 year extension at $2-3M/year below the max. That's 4 years and somewhere between $48 and $52 million dollars of guaranteed money. He is a career ending injury away from never seeing that kind of offer. No way he wouldn't seriously consider it.

Right I don't disagree, but if his agent/he is the one on the wait and see side, what you want the Pistons to do, force him to come in for a sit down? I believe the fact that it was even reported in the first place was because they may have been ready to sit down and discuss an extension and his side declined to do it, instead opting to wait for it.

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[ChipButty]

It was an interview that Vincent Goodwill did with Monroe's agent a few months ago. In my opinion he was just posturing. Talk is cheap, especially when you are months away from the deadline.

October is still a ways away so nothing will change for a while, but I'd be surprised if they don't sit down sometime before the deadline. Once guys like Wall, George and maybe Cousins start signing extensions for $60M+ guaranteed, I think Moose will decide that he'd like a piece of the action.

Anyway, regarding the title of the thread, my guess is yes. I could easily be wrong, but Dumars has a history of taking care of his guys and it makes sense for both parties.