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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1361 » by verbal8 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:54 am

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:I think Otto got a promise from us at three. I think he was the top player on our board.

We told everyone we weren't trading down in the run up to the draft. I don't think we would have traded the pick until we saw if Porter was available.

And I was watching Otto's predraft interview on DX and he said something that struck me in hindsight. When asked about going number one, Otto said he wouldn't mind if he went "1, 2, or 3." He inadvertently let slip that he knew three was his floor. The only way he could have known that is if we told him.


Or just coincidence. It would explain why Dipo declined to waste his time working out with us.

In retrospect though, would you have gambled on Noel then negotiate a trade-down with whoever drafted Porter to potentailly get both? Offer Ariza and whatever we can throw at them? Or even Give noel in exchange for Porter and whatever pieces they were willing to give back? Or just be happy with Noel - verbal agreement or not?


Given what happened, that really could have blown up. Len might have worked for a deal with Phoenix, but charlotte could have grabbed porter.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1362 » by mhd » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:56 am

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stevemcqueen1 wrote:I think Otto got a promise from us at three. I think he was the top player on our board.

We told everyone we weren't trading down in the run up to the draft. I don't think we would have traded the pick until we saw if Porter was available.

And I was watching Otto's predraft interview on DX and he said something that struck me in hindsight. When asked about going number one, Otto said he wouldn't mind if he went "1, 2, or 3." He inadvertently let slip that he knew three was his floor. The only way he could have known that is if we told him.


Or just coincidence. It would explain why Dipo declined to waste his time working out with us.

In retrospect though, would you have gambled on Noel then negotiate a trade-down with whoever drafted Porter to potentailly get both? Offer Ariza and whatever we can throw at them? Or even Give noel in exchange for Porter and whatever pieces they were willing to give back? Or just be happy with Noel - verbal agreement or not?


Given what happened, that really could have blown up. Len might have worked for a deal with Phoenix, but charlotte could have grabbed porter.


With MKG, no way was Charlotte taking Porter.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1363 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:44 am

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Jay81 wrote:Had we won lottery...we would of taken Porter at 1 I believe


That's what it seems like. Clearly we had Otto above Noel and it seems like we favored Porter over Bennett. Those were the only three options in consideration at three, we weren't going to draft Dipo.

Wittman seems to have known all along he wanted Otto and, leading up to the draft, he said he was getting scared that Otto wouldn't be there at three.

Otto is a coach's dream. He makes their job a lot easier and they appreciate that.


I agree. The frosting on that cake was the Ted is a G'town alum thing. Imagine EG trying
to sell Ted on anyone other than OP. Wasn't happening.


Which was the case I made a while ago that EG was not in as much control of this years top pick as he might have been in the past. To which some scoffed.

Now that 2nd pick. That was pure EG.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1364 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:55 am

doclinkin wrote:Jumping in to throw elbows for Consiglieri.

It's a win-now pick because Porter is healthy, uninjured, and NBA ready. He won't take 3 years to reach his level, whatever his upside is his developmen will be incremental and it doesn't require hope and a leap of faith to project him to a useful player at both ends. Any contribution he makes won't have to wait until December.

While I like the Otto pick, it is defensible to think that the pick was a safe one for Ernie who needs to make solid plays while he's in the final year of his contract.


Making the right short term pick is not to the exclusion on making the right long term pick as well.

Otto is not only has known offensive and defensive skills, but he can pass, rebound and knows spacing. He will make other players better. And on top of that he is a great character.

Bennett and VO where gone. So if the argument is Otto vs Noel, I think its easy to argue Otto was the right pick both short and long term. But in order to really answer that, we are going to have to wait like 4 or 5 years. EG wasn't going to be around that long anyway.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1365 » by hands11 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:54 am

Kanyewest wrote:
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The Consiglieri wrote:Any of you read wages of wins? I just unearthed it, apparently it's one of those sites that nailed Faried's value like CCJ did (though CCJ probably did so far earlier). Interesting site. The comment on Rice Jr is intellectually lazy nonsense, but still, I like reading guys that put this much work into their analysis like Nivek, Pelton, Hollinger etc.

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/06/27/wages ... -coverage/

I think they also had CCJ's boy Cousins as the best player from that draft.

I couldn't find the Rice comment, but there are a number of contributors to WoW, so you get a little bit of breadth in opinions and style of writing/analysis, some better than others.


I found looking at the last year's one was interesting. For instance, it predicted Austin Rivers would stink, it said that MKG was not a good pick for where he was taken, and had Draymond Green as a good value pick. Some missed out on including Barnes, Drummond, and Fournier with grades ranging from D+ to F.


Good stuff. They seemed to like a lot of my favorites. If only I had a spread sheet to help me :wink:

Yeah, looks like the Wizards missed out in the 2nd by not going Wolters or Pierre, Muscala
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1366 » by Deeptu McPullup » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:04 am

The Consiglieri wrote:I'm not going to continue to argue over the same points again and again tit for tat when there's no common ground, or a little bit of animus involved. I will, however say that you're right to quote that, in the midst of hyperbole on draft night, I can definitely say some things that actually reflect my view, and are in my mind true, but can also very easily be read to be complete b.s. The quote you have above me is both.

I believe 100% that it was exactly that. The fixation on Porter, and seeming refusal to consider other avenues is exactly what Doc argued in my defense. However, you are also 1000% correct in arguing that the move could very well be both a selfish, all about saving my own arse, not about the franchise long term move, and still actually be a good long term move about the franchise absent EG's actual motivation.

You are 1000% right there. I didn't discuss that angle because I was arguing purely from what I believed GM's, and EG do and did in these situations. I've seen it 10,000 times before, I saw it Thursday night, and I'll see it 10,000 more times in the future. GM's act in their own interest like anyone else, it just so happens that it's easy to get an owner to buy into short term filled seats and playoff seeds.

I actually believe both things are equally true, I believe EG, much like Wittman, much like Wall, didn't care about 2017-2027, they're interest is 2013 and 2014, and I also believe that Pelton may be right, and other metric guru's may be right and Otto may develop into an outstanding player, rather than the average to above average one I fear he may become. It's the GM and the owners job to make decisions based on the next 15+ years. Unfortunately when you're a GM whose made a total hash of innumerable key decisions since we were last in the playoffs, you're not looking long term, you're looking at your contract, and that's a fireable offense to me, though an ultimately very, very common offense.

I don't really disagree so much with you, I just disagree in regards to EG's motivations, and where the consequences of that kind of thinking tends to lead. Its why Leonsis should have fired both of his GM's in the past year, one for taking Leonsis's orders and making that cap busting deal a year ago for a quick fix, and GMGM for landing a top 5 prospect in last years hockey draft, and then pawning him off for scrap during the winter trade deadline frenzy to insure a playoff run, and another year as the Caps GM. I want GM's building for the long term, always making decisions that reflect the interest of the fan base that cares far more about the team than the owner, GM, or the players as they have a lifetime investment in said team. Unfortunately this is exceptionally rare. We see it in Pittsburgh, we see it in San Antonio and seemingly OKC, we see it in St. Louis. We don't see it in DC, where we had an idiot of a fan, run our beloved football team into the ground for a decade ignoring the warnings of redskins fans in the west coast like me, who'd already seen Cerrato throw gasoline and a match on the Niners dynasty in the nineties, and then couldn't even hitch a ride with dumb and dumber (Clark and Policy), when they ditched him for operating control of the browns as of 1999... I could go on and on and often do. It's just frustrating to see a team operate purely on the short term, not thinking long term, not making decisions in the best interest of the franchise year after year, decade after decade, while teams you aren't a fan of, actually get the concept. The porter decision is justifiable in a lot of ways, and as I argued earlier in the week, particularly if you think he has every bit the ceiling of Noel or Bennett or Oladipo, and I can support that view point, but I can't support what I know EG's motivations were, nor can I support decisions like Okariza, the '09 debacle etc.

Anyway, we're probably actually somewhat on the same page, and I simply made a hash of explaining why I think EG can be condemned for what he did in terms of motivation, but still accidentally end up having made the right decision, while Otto Porter's supporters here could end up being absolutely right from the jump, and not condemnable in anyway for their philosophy.


I'm actually quite satisfied with all these clarifications and have no real substantive qualms with any of that.

While there was some degree of animus on my part earlier in there as I didn't care for the assumptions you threw out, it probably was not entirely fair to latch onto your heat of the moment comments on draft night either.

In general, I would prefer your philosophy of taking the riskier pick with higher upside. In this particular case, I'd be about like Prada on Bullets Forever in that I'd really need more insider info on Noel's physical situation specifically to be able to say exactly what I think we should have done (as noted, Noel then slipping to sixth, behind a big with an ankle issue and then being traded with a lot of value going to Philly suggests that there were problems).

I will admit, and maybe it's somewhat foolish, that I did not at all fancy that picture of Noel on the bench press with the roadside bomb knee. You can't really let that sort of image impact your decision, but I got skittish in seeing that. Not super excited that he got hurt on a relatively routine run and jump play either, though like most everyone, I was still torn with the Wizards on the clock with Noel on the board.

Anyway, you reasoned it all out, elaborated on the specific points of contention and I'm obviously not not trying to push that everyone here needs to be in perfect agreement or love the pick.

So, we're good. :thumbsup:
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1367 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:38 pm

Sometimes I think we get too abstract when we start trying to informally quantify upside and ceiling.

Alex Len has massive upside. But Alex Len is not a great basketball player. He didn't even make third team All ACC. His didn't win consistently. Alex Len is not close to as good a basketball player as Cody Zeller or Otto Porter. I would bet that he never is. So what use is his upside? It supposedly dwarfs theirs.

Again, I think we get too abstract. To calculate it, we make a nebulous formula of athletic qualities and a few isolated but generalized skills (shot blocking or jump shooting or ball handling for example).

I think we could get a picture of what a player's maximum level of play will actually look like only if we know the specifics of his roster fit and situation, the specific skills he'll need to master within that situation to perform the role he's given, etc. That is not what draftniks do. That's why I think we can be so off base with our predictions of a player's ceiling and that's why those predictions are often meaningless.

I think Otto Porter has way better upside than Alex Len as an NBA player because he's a lot better at basketball.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1368 » by sfam » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:22 pm

In thinking about it I might have preferred Zeller over Porter, assuming they had concerns about Noel's knee. Especially given what we did in the second round (we or course didn't know that at the time), getting another big up front would have really helped in both the short and long term. I'm not convinced they wouldn't have taken Bennett if available for the the same reason. If Zeller can in fact drain the 3 in game situations, he might have been the best pick for us.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1369 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:21 pm

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TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Noel is looking like a future bust, at best another Marcus Camby. Stop acting like we passed on Shaq jr.

Huh? "Looking like..." -- he hasn't played a minute. "...at best ...Canby"?? Marcus Canby in his prime was one of the 2 or 3 best Centers in the league. Yes, he was primarily a defensive player. So was Bill Russell. Sheesh!

I don't recall Marcus Camby ever being a top 2-3 center.

His best stretch was from 1999-2000 to 2000-2001, when he had a PER of 19.0 and 20.9.

In 1999-2000, the PER of some centers in the league:

Shaq - 30.6
Zo - 25.8
The Admiral - 24.6
Dikembe - 19.4
Sabonis - 20.3
Camby - 19.0

2000-2001

Shaq - 30.2
Zo - 24.6
The Admiral - 23.7
Hakeem - 20.7
Camby - 20.9


So you could make an argument that he was top 4 for the second year, but a more accurate description is probably 'borderline top-5'.

And to you PER -- which goes up the more shots you take even if you only shoot .300 (i.e. over-values shooting) -- is an absolute value for productivity?

It's not a good measure of productivity for anyone, and particularly not for someone whose contribution is largely defensive.

For most of his career, Marcus Camby was one of the top 1-5 most productive Centers in the league measured by WS40. The guys around him mostly changed, but he was always there.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1370 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
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Dat2U wrote:We may have gotten the steal of the draft. Putting up 25 ppg 9.5 rebs 4.3 asts 2 stls & 2 blks a game would be incredibly impressive in the NCAA tourney, to do that in the NBDL playoffs is eye opening. He'll definitely have a jump on the competition and should shine during summer league.


I totally agree about those numbers.

What I was curious about was how many games was that over ie sample size.


6 games. http://www.nba.com/dleague/riograndevalley/RiceJr2013NBADraft.html

Yeah, but his overall D-League performance for 1200+ minutes was also outstanding. He had the best WS40 of any 3 who played 20+ minutes a game.

If his head is on straight, it's hard to see him as anything but a solid NBA prospect.

edit: just checked Cartier Martin's D-League career of @2000 minutes. Never put up numbers anywhere near what Rice did last year.
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Post#1371 » by fishercob » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:45 pm

Dat2U wrote:We may have gotten the steal of the draft. Putting up 25 ppg 9.5 rebs 4.3 asts 2 stls & 2 blks a game would be incredibly impressive in the NCAA tourney, to do that in the NBDL playoffs is eye opening. He'll definitely have a jump on the competition and should shine during summer league.



In fairness, NCAA games are 8 minutes shorter than D-league games, so it would be like a a player putting up tourney averages of 20.8 pts, 7.9 boards, 3.6 asts, 1.7 stl and 1.7 blocks. Strong numbers to be sure, but not other-worldly.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1372 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:54 pm

fishercob wrote:
Dat2U wrote:We may have gotten the steal of the draft. Putting up 25 ppg 9.5 rebs 4.3 asts 2 stls & 2 blks a game would be incredibly impressive in the NCAA tourney, to do that in the NBDL playoffs is eye opening. He'll definitely have a jump on the competition and should shine during summer league.

In fairness, NCAA games are 8 minutes shorter than D-league games, so it would be like a a player putting up tourney averages of 20.8 pts, 7.9 boards, 3.6 asts, 1.7 stl and 1.7 blocks. Strong numbers to be sure, but not other-worldly.

Other-worldly is asking a lot, but his per-40 minute numbers in the D-League last year were, overall, better than any NCAA SF -- that's better than Otto Porter, Reggie Bullock, etc.

He and Oladipo had about the same WS40. Other than that I can't find a single wing player taken this year who had as good a season in the NCAA last year as Rice did in the D-League. Against stiffer competition -- at least that's what people say.

Keep in mind, however, that he is 1-2+ years older than these guy, however. Still...
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Post#1373 » by fishercob » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:13 pm

payitforward wrote:
fishercob wrote:
Dat2U wrote:We may have gotten the steal of the draft. Putting up 25 ppg 9.5 rebs 4.3 asts 2 stls & 2 blks a game would be incredibly impressive in the NCAA tourney, to do that in the NBDL playoffs is eye opening. He'll definitely have a jump on the competition and should shine during summer league.

In fairness, NCAA games are 8 minutes shorter than D-league games, so it would be like a a player putting up tourney averages of 20.8 pts, 7.9 boards, 3.6 asts, 1.7 stl and 1.7 blocks. Strong numbers to be sure, but not other-worldly.

Other-worldly is asking a lot, but his per-40 minute numbers in the D-League last year were, overall, better than any NCAA SF -- that's better than Otto Porter, Reggie Bullock, etc.

He and Oladipo had about the same WS40. Other than that I can't find a single wing player taken this year who had as good a season in the NCAA last year as Rice did in the D-League. Against stiffer competition -- at least that's what people say.

Keep in mind, however, that he is 1-2+ years older than these guy, however. Still...


You bring up two interesting points:

First, the D-League level of competition is said to be higher. I don't doubt that the talent level is stronger due to age, primarily. But I wonder how that translates to the actual level of play and competition. There's much less continuity in teams as opposed to in college. I wonder how much practice time there is. So I wonder about the overall cohesion of the teams on offense and defense. Playing good players doesn't necessarily equate to playing good teams.

Secondly, I don't know what to make of the age thing. But Kevin Pelton's research says it's a very important factor to look at:

Kevin pelton wrote:Over the four days leading to the NBA draft, you're going to see a lot of numbers, some of them more important than others when it comes to predicting how players in their teens and early 20s will ultimately perform in the NBA. The most meaningful might be a simple one -- age.

No matter how you study the history of the draft, the results are clear: Younger players end up faring better than older ones. Even during their first seasons, younger rookies develop more compared to their college performance than older ones, a gap that grows as they continue to progress toward their peak.

Age isn't the most important factor in projecting NBA success -- how players have performed in the past is still more important -- but because we're comparing prospects at different stages of the development process, we can really only understand that performance in the context of age. That's the fundamental truth on which my draft projections are built.


So I feel like there are sort of conflicting forces at play. Rice as a relatively old prospect and wasn't super-impressive when he was young. But then he was very impressive against what we are led to believe is a high level of competition.

Hopefully the D-league continues to grow relative to college ball so we can get a more meaningful data set with which to evaluate prospects (among other things).
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Post#1374 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:13 pm

payitforward wrote:
fishercob wrote:
Dat2U wrote:We may have gotten the steal of the draft. Putting up 25 ppg 9.5 rebs 4.3 asts 2 stls & 2 blks a game would be incredibly impressive in the NCAA tourney, to do that in the NBDL playoffs is eye opening. He'll definitely have a jump on the competition and should shine during summer league.

In fairness, NCAA games are 8 minutes shorter than D-league games, so it would be like a a player putting up tourney averages of 20.8 pts, 7.9 boards, 3.6 asts, 1.7 stl and 1.7 blocks. Strong numbers to be sure, but not other-worldly.

Other-worldly is asking a lot, but his per-40 minute numbers in the D-League last year were, overall, better than any NCAA SF -- that's better than Otto Porter, Reggie Bullock, etc.

He and Oladipo had about the same WS40. Other than that I can't find a single wing player taken this year who had as good a season in the NCAA last year as Rice did in the D-League. Against stiffer competition -- at least that's what people say.

Keep in mind, however, that he is 1-2+ years older than these guy, however. Still...


DLeague athletes are better than the mass of NCAA players. But in games I've watched the defense is atrocious. Just awful. There are individual stand out defenders, but nothing like pro-level schemes and force rules and basic positioning and keeping active hands. A talented ACC team (Duke, Tarheels most years) could probably take on most DLeague squads on an even basis and win more often than not. As fish cites continuity and practice are key.

But as a measure of individual talent, not team play, DLeague stats are suggestive of value if not evenly predictive. Basically they show whether a player can hit open shots and hustle a bit.

I'd put the hierarchy of difficulty like so:

NBA Finals
NBA postseason
NBA
EuroCup play/Olympics etc
NCAA tourney
Tough Conference D1 squads (ACC most years, Big East in the past, Kenpom top 30 or so toughest schedules, etc)
Spanish ACB
DLeague ~ Euroleague play
Lesser NCAA conferences
French, Adriatic, other Euro leagues.

High level success at a lower level of competition suggests ability to at least perform alright at the next level up.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1375 » by daSwami » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:05 pm

Dumb question: but does anyone know why Rice was suspended by the GT team? I know the third strike came after a Driving Under the Influence (of??) incident, but what were the first two? If they're all drug-related, I'd be worried.
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Post#1376 » by truwizfan4evr » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:52 pm

I'm tired of the glen rice jr hate who cares about his past we all made mistakes even people in this thread. He a very good player and will help us on the court that's all that matters and he seems to have mature
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Post#1377 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:23 am

fishercob wrote:...Kevin Pelton's research says (age is) a very important factor to look at:

Kevin pelton wrote:Over the four days leading to the NBA draft, you're going to see a lot of numbers.... The most meaningful might be a simple one -- age. ...Younger players end up faring better than older ones....

Age isn't the most important factor in projecting NBA success -- how players have performed in the past is still more important -- but ...we can really only understand that performance in the context of age.


So I feel like there are sort of conflicting forces at play. Rice as a relatively old prospect and wasn't super-impressive when he was young. But then he was very impressive against what we are led to believe is a high level of competition. ...

Yeah, there's a lot of doubt and a lot of variables -- and we must keep in mind that *statistical* facts do not predict how a particular individual will fare (a random individual, yes).

Key point: in the NCAA, guys tend to put up better numbers as juniors/seniors than as freshmen/sophomores. And, you have a larger sample to look at. And, you get to see how they progressed from year to year. Hence, if you pick on performance not "potential", you should be able to evaluate an older player better than a younger one. That makes up some for the *statistical* fact that younger players tend to do better as a group.

Note as well that the guy a number of us had in mind as an alternative pick to Rice, Nate Wolters, is only a few months younger.

8 first round picks this year were born in 1991, 4 of them are 6 months or less older than Rice. 2 first round picks were born in 1990.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1378 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:24 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:I'm tired of the glen rice jr hate who cares about his past we all made mistakes even people in this thread. He a very good player and will help us on the court that's all that matters and he seems to have mature

+!10000000

People learn from his mistakes, reports state that he was a model citizen in the D league. See if he had not gotten caught in college and suffered the consequences, he might have gotten to the NBA and burned out like, others before him, like javaris crittenton. He might have needed to learn this, and he did, and i think he will be fine.
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Post#1379 » by hands11 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:31 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Sometimes I think we get too abstract when we start trying to informally quantify upside and ceiling.

Alex Len has massive upside. But Alex Len is not a great basketball player. He didn't even make third team All ACC. His didn't win consistently. Alex Len is not close to as good a basketball player as Cody Zeller or Otto Porter. I would bet that he never is. So what use is his upside? It supposedly dwarfs theirs.

Again, I think we get too abstract. To calculate it, we make a nebulous formula of athletic qualities and a few isolated but generalized skills (shot blocking or jump shooting or ball handling for example).

I think we could get a picture of what a player's maximum level of play will actually look like only if we know the specifics of his roster fit and situation, the specific skills he'll need to master within that situation to perform the role he's given, etc. That is not what draftniks do. That's why I think we can be so off base with our predictions of a player's ceiling and that's why those predictions are often meaningless.

I think Otto Porter has way better upside than Alex Len as an NBA player because he's a lot better at basketball.


Where a player goes has a lot to do with it. Look at T Rob. He is way better then what we have seen so far.

As for Len. He is a unique situation. A big that moved to a new country and didn't speak the language at 19. He came from Lithuania that is not known as a strong BB country. He didn't have the resources. He played college on a team with crap PGs. And he played the last mouth hurt. And even then, his last game was on a high note. The kid has a really nice game. And he did add solid weight in one year. He has been doing the right things and shows progress. And he is smart. Learned English in one year. You try that.

He isn't going to bust. And he does have logical reasonable to reach upside.

Only real question I have is, can he be a warrior. If yes, look out. But that's the same question I have about Kevin S who also have a ton of upside and has actual basketball skills. What's between the ears matter a lot.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII 

Post#1380 » by hands11 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:37 am

sfam wrote:In thinking about it I might have preferred Zeller over Porter, assuming they had concerns about Noel's knee. Especially given what we did in the second round (we or course didn't know that at the time), getting another big up front would have really helped in both the short and long term. I'm not convinced they wouldn't have taken Bennett if available for the the same reason. If Zeller can in fact drain the 3 in game situations, he might have been the best pick for us.


There was no perfect pick this year.

I could argue Burke, and I did. If we had a latter pick, CJM would have been perfect.

Zeller also makes some sense, but he pushes out players I think they want to give one more year to prove it.

Otto isn't a perfect pick either because we already had Webster as the starter. But I get it. Specially if Otto can play some PF.

Bennett would have played the same SF and PF as Otto, so that makes and doesn't make sense for the same reasons.

The perfect pick for them this year would have been something like Drummond last year, or Kanter the year before, or Greg Monroe the year before that. That player just wasn't in the draft this year. Closest would have been Len.

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