2013 Draft Thread Part 4

[bwgood77]

Here is a list of players who averaged 15/10/2 in last 5 seasons. Doubt we will see Len's name on this list anytime soon. 12/9/2 isn't realistic either.

Yes, and here is the list for 13, 8 and 1.5. Even if he could make this list, that would be extremely impressive. Obviously there is no chance if Gortat in on the team much at all this year though.

http://bkref.com/tiny/0mmMk

[phrazbit]

He is not going to put up 15-10. He wont even be starting. Something like 8 and 5 is more likely.

[Revived]

Here is a list of players who averaged 15/10/2 in last 5 seasons. Doubt we will see Len's name on this list anytime soon. 12/9/2 isn't realistic either.

Lol list of "players" I only see one player by the name of Dwight Howard on that list and he is a FA also.

Oh wait I see Bogut made a minimal appearance.

[gaspar]

He is not going to put up 15-10. He wont even be starting. Something like 8 and 5 is more likely.

Even 8 and 5 isn't that easy to reach for a 20-year-old rookie big man: LIST

[WeekapaugGroove]

To me len's stats this season won't really matter. What I want to see is steady improvement throughout the year and development of his post moves and defensive positioning. Young bigs are almost always inconsistent and prone to foul trouble the first couple years until the figure out the nba game.

Patience is going to be key as this is a true rebuild the suns are going through.

[bwgood77]

He is not going to put up 15-10. He wont even be starting. Something like 8 and 5 is more likely.

Even 8 and 5 isn't that easy to reach for a 20-year-old rookie big man: LIST

It all comes down to minutes. And part of the reason that list is as short as it is, is because guys may rarely play at all to start the year, and then work there way into the rotation, where they easily avg that. A guy like Drummond for example, once he got minutes, he was putting up pretty good numbers.

[Revived]

He is not going to put up 15-10. He wont even be starting. Something like 8 and 5 is more likely.

Even 8 and 5 isn't that easy to reach for a 20-year-old rookie big man: LIST

It all comes down to minutes. And part of the reason that list is as short as it is, is because guys may rarely play at all to start the year, and then work there way into the rotation, where they easily avg that. A guy like Drummond for example, once he got minutes, he was putting up pretty good numbers.

Hey do you remember that stat you had about how McLemore is actually a better defender than Oladipo or how McLemore did better defensively than Oladipo last season?

Can you find that one for me?

[bwgood77]

Even 8 and 5 isn't that easy to reach for a 20-year-old rookie big man: LIST

It all comes down to minutes. And part of the reason that list is as short as it is, is because guys may rarely play at all to start the year, and then work there way into the rotation, where they easily avg that. A guy like Drummond for example, once he got minutes, he was putting up pretty good numbers.

Hey do you remember that stat you had about how McLemore is actually a better defender than Oladipo or how McLemore did better defensively than Oladipo last season?

Can you find that one for me?

Someone else posted that and I talked about it in the next post, but it was probably in the last draft thread and it was definitely at least a day or two before the draft. I think I may have come across it again when reading McLemore's bio on nbadraft.net. I'll check and edit this post if I find it.

Edit: This is from nbadraft.net

Has a chance to be an excellent defender due to his length and lateral speed. Despite their reputations, McLemore actually graded out much higher on overall defense in Synergy analytical statistics than Victor Olidipo ... McLemore allowed .625 PPP (points per possession) scoring in the 89 percentile (Oladipo .856 PPP and in the 39th percentile) Granted Oladipo has better ISO defensive analytics

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-mclemore

[Revived]

It all comes down to minutes. And part of the reason that list is as short as it is, is because guys may rarely play at all to start the year, and then work there way into the rotation, where they easily avg that. A guy like Drummond for example, once he got minutes, he was putting up pretty good numbers.

Hey do you remember that stat you had about how McLemore is actually a better defender than Oladipo or how McLemore did better defensively than Oladipo last season?

Can you find that one for me?

Someone else posted that and I talked about it in the next post, but it was probably in the last draft thread and it was definitely at least a day or two before the draft. I think I may have come across it again when reading McLemore's bio on nbadraft.net. I'll check and edit this post if I find it.

Edit: This is from nbadraft.net

Has a chance to be an excellent defender due to his length and lateral speed. Despite their reputations, McLemore actually graded out much higher on overall defense in Synergy analytical statistics than Victor Olidipo ... McLemore allowed .625 PPP (points per possession) scoring in the 89 percentile (Oladipo .856 PPP and in the 39th percentile) Granted Oladipo has better ISO defensive analytics

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-mclemore

Ah thanks so much man! Much appreciated

[GetYourPHX]

Len will take time to develop. He's 20 years old. I expect next to nothing out of him this year.

[Revived]

Babby wanted to make sure fans know that it wasn't Babby's choice but rather only McDonough lol

http://arizonasports.com/41/1645474/Sun ... ghs-choice

So if Len busts, don't blame Sarver or Babby....its on McDonough only. Same thing with if Len becomes good.

[bigfoot]

Len and Goodwin need heavy minutes. I'd like to see them competing for Rookie of the Year and/or be in the rookie/sophomore all-star game. The Suns were bad enough last year that both of them should get that opportunity.

[ShawnBronald]

Len and Goodwin need heavy minutes. I'd like to see them competing for Rookie of the Year and/or be in the rookie/sophomore all-star game. The Suns were bad enough last year that both of them should get that opportunity.

It will be interesting to see how Hornacek uses them. If Gentry were still coaching, Len might see a couple minutes here or there, but I doubt Goodwin would have seen anything more than garbage minutes.

[bwgood77]

Len and Goodwin need heavy minutes. I'd like to see them competing for Rookie of the Year and/or be in the rookie/sophomore all-star game. The Suns were bad enough last year that both of them should get that opportunity.

It will be interesting to see how Hornacek uses them. If Gentry were still coaching, Len might see a couple minutes here or there, but I doubt Goodwin would have seen anything more than garbage minutes.

Well, Gentry was expected to compete for a playoff spot with a terrible squad. Plus, we didn't have much for rookies (our only rookie was behind our biggest free agent signing). Hornacek is probably tasked with playing the rookies as much as he can.

[RunDogGun]

Len and Goodwin need heavy minutes. I'd like to see them competing for Rookie of the Year and/or be in the rookie/sophomore all-star game. The Suns were bad enough last year that both of them should get that opportunity.

It will be interesting to see how Hornacek uses them. If Gentry were still coaching, Len might see a couple minutes here or there, but I doubt Goodwin would have seen anything more than garbage minutes.

Well, Gentry was expected to compete for a playoff spot with a terrible squad. Plus, we didn't have much for rookies (our only rookie was behind our biggest free agent signing). Hornacek is probably tasked with playing the rookies as much as he can.

I think you forgot that Mashall was behind Telfair, who was not our biggest FA signing.

I don't think Hornacek will be asked to play any specific rook. I think most of their major minutes will be in the DLeague, unless Jeff sees something in the summer league. It is a smart move for him to coach the summer guys.

[Revived]

It's a shame he won't be able to coach Len during the summer.

[rsavaj]

I actually have researched Len and am actually excited to have him here. I call him sleeper for rookie of the year.

15/10 & 2 blocks

That is my estimate.

And the hyperbole begins !

Take a glance at the list of players who have averaged those numbers in their rookie season:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws

Hell, I'll just write it out:

David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Alonzo
Sampson
Dikembe

That's it. Those are the only guys who have ever put up 15/10/2 in their rookie year.

The list gets a little bigger if you exclude the "rookie year" filter:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... rder_by=ws

But it's still ridiculously elite company. Let's not place expectations on our rookie that he can't possibly meet. I'll simply be happy if he proves that he's a rotation player with upside...I don't need to compare him to HOFers.

Edit: Didn't see that gaspar had already made a similar point

[rsavaj]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... in-oriakhi

[Kerrsed]

Chad Ford said on Twitter Tuesday night that as many as seven teams could be ready to tank the upcoming season in hopes of landing Canadian phenom Andrew Wiggins.

It's pretty clear that the Suns, Bobcats, 76ers, Celtics and Magic should all be pretty brutal, while the Hawks (if they don't get Dwight Howard) and Raptors (if they send Rudy Gay's contract to Detroit) will also be pretty bad, and we'll add the Bucks to the mix. We also know that 14 teams will be in the lottery and in addition to Wiggins, next year's draft should be one of the best in recent memory. It could be a long year for a lot of NBA havenots, but only one is going to be lucky enough to see the ping pong balls fall in their favor. You have to think the Bobcats are the front runner at this point, but the team with the best odds doesn't usually win the lottery.

[DirtyDez]

If you give my the #2 pick right now I'll take it. There will be so many terrible teams next year, and they say "tanking" is just a word that fans use.