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The 2013 free agency thread.

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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#481 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:54 pm

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BlackOutBobcat wrote:Worth noting that not only would Hendo likely be cheaper, but we can exceed the cap to re-sign him. As a RFA he has a cap hold, but we could hold off on re-signing him at first and even fill up the rest of our cap space if we wanted and still have room for Hendo, can't say that for Mayo.

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His cap hold is $7,753,318 though, hopefully more than what would be his salary in first year of his new contract. Thus strictly for cap space reasons he should be signed rather sooner than later.

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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#482 » by Makaveli92 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:51 pm

i like the idea of adding OJ Mayo to the Bobcats, even though I'm a Henderson fan, Mayo brings more balance to the starting line up. Mayo was good at the beginning of last season in Dallas before Dirk came back, i think he is better on a team, where he is the best player, and number 1 option. If he comes to the Bobcats he will be the best player, depending on who else they sign, he'll at least be the best player in the starting line up. I think he''ll be better for a none playoff team, like the Bobcats, Pistons, Bucks, NO etc.. He would suck on a playoff team though or a team where he's not the go to scorer, because he sucked on the Mavs when Dirk came back.

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Biyombo?

Looks good to me.

Still not sold on Biyombo as the starting C, yes he can block shots, but thats about it, who the hell wants a starting C who can just block shots?? Think the Bobcats should try to get Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum, if not them I can see them signing someone like JJ Hickson, who is 6'9 just like Biyombo, but can do a lot more, can score, rebound and block shots.

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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#483 » by TheKingofSting » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:57 pm

Mayo is good but I'd rather have Hendo of the two unless he asked for outrageous money.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#484 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:23 pm

Makaveli92 wrote:i like the idea of adding OJ Mayo to the Bobcats, even though I'm a Henderson fan, Mayo brings more balance to the starting line up. Mayo was good at the beginning of last season in Dallas before Dirk came back, i think he is better on a team, where he is the best player, and number 1 option. If he comes to the Bobcats he will be the best player, depending on who else they sign, he'll at least be the best player in the starting line up. I think he''ll be better for a none playoff team, like the Bobcats, Pistons, Bucks, NO etc.. He would suck on a playoff team though or a team where he's not the go to scorer, because he sucked on the Mavs when Dirk came back.

Walker
OJ Mayo
MKG
Zeller
Biyombo?

Looks good to me.

Still not sold on Biyombo as the starting C, yes he can block shots, but thats about it, who the hell wants a starting C who can just block shots?? Think the Bobcats should try to get Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum, if not them I can see them signing someone like JJ Hickson, who is 6'9 just like Biyombo, but can do a lot more, can score, rebound and block shots.

Walker
Mayo
MKG
Zeller
Hickson


We could end the rebuild right now if we take a chance on Bynum and he stays healthy and improves on his numbers from his last healthy season. If Clifford and Ewing are able to work with him. Obviously team doctors and medical experts have to make a judgment call but imagine if Bynum were healthy?

Kemba Walker/Sessions
O.J. Mayo/Gordon
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
Cody Zeller/McRoberts
Andrew Bynum/Biyombo

The Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Nets are better. We'd compete for the 5 seed with the New York Knicks. We'd be better than Celtics, Hawks, Raptors, Pistons, Magic, Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Wiz, Cavs. Plus we'd own a top-1 protected pick in 2015 from the Pistons, an unprotected pick in 2016 from the Blazers.

That team is good enough to pull off a major upset in the playoffs as well.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#485 » by TheKingofSting » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:24 pm

It may sound silly but can Mayo play minutes at PG? I know he does in Sim League's and that he has pretty decent handles, anyway my point is if he can and we can afford he and Hendo then we could possibly move Sessions for another asset(s).
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#486 » by Makaveli92 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:32 pm

Kemba2Hendo wrote:It may sound silly but can Mayo play minutes at PG? I know he does in Sim League's and that he has pretty decent handles, anyway my point is if he can and we can afford he and Hendo then we could possibly move Sessions for another asset(s).


I think Mayo can play a little PG, at the beginning of last season in Dallas he played PG with Collison at SG a lot of times.. If they can sign Mayo and keep Henderson then that would be cool.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#487 » by Badd_Intentions » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:44 pm

Is mayo the guy we really want? Has talent but is a head case. Even still, would he even want to be on a team that's in outright rebuilding mode?
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#488 » by BeesWax » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:48 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Makaveli92 wrote:i like the idea of adding OJ Mayo to the Bobcats, even though I'm a Henderson fan, Mayo brings more balance to the starting line up. Mayo was good at the beginning of last season in Dallas before Dirk came back, i think he is better on a team, where he is the best player, and number 1 option. If he comes to the Bobcats he will be the best player, depending on who else they sign, he'll at least be the best player in the starting line up. I think he''ll be better for a none playoff team, like the Bobcats, Pistons, Bucks, NO etc.. He would suck on a playoff team though or a team where he's not the go to scorer, because he sucked on the Mavs when Dirk came back.

Walker
OJ Mayo
MKG
Zeller
Biyombo?

Looks good to me.

Still not sold on Biyombo as the starting C, yes he can block shots, but thats about it, who the hell wants a starting C who can just block shots?? Think the Bobcats should try to get Al Jefferson or Andrew Bynum, if not them I can see them signing someone like JJ Hickson, who is 6'9 just like Biyombo, but can do a lot more, can score, rebound and block shots.

Walker
Mayo
MKG
Zeller
Hickson


We could end the rebuild right now if we take a chance on Bynum and he stays healthy and improves on his numbers from his last healthy season. If Clifford and Ewing are able to work with him. Obviously team doctors and medical experts have to make a judgment call but imagine if Bynum were healthy?

Kemba Walker/Sessions
O.J. Mayo/Gordon
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
Cody Zeller/McRoberts
Andrew Bynum/Biyombo

The Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Nets are better. We'd compete for the 5 seed with the New York Knicks. We'd be better than Celtics, Hawks, Raptors, Pistons, Magic, Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Wiz, Cavs. Plus we'd own a top-1 protected pick in 2015 from the Pistons, an unprotected pick in 2016 from the Blazers.

That team is good enough to pull off a major upset in the playoffs as well.


The problem will be if Bynum gets hurt again and we have a bunch of dead weight on our cap. Then Mayo flips out and acts like he has in the past and BOOM more dead weight in a bad attitude guy on our cap an we have to start a rebuild over completely from scratch because we gave up early and took bad risks.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#489 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:50 pm

I have absolutely no idea why people think OJ Mayo is a headcase?
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Post#490 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:03 am

Sik Infant wrote:I have absolutely no idea why people think OJ Mayo is a headcase?


Ask the Grizzlies why they let Mayo walk via free agency for nothing after drafting him in the lottery & demoting him from starting SG of the future to 6th man, then ask Rick Carlisle why he screamed on him, and you'll get your answer
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#491 » by Red Larrivee » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:05 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:Is mayo the guy we really want? Has talent but is a head case. Even still, would he even want to be on a team that's in outright rebuilding mode?


Mayo's more durable and a better shooter than Henderson. That's all I can think of. You could sign Mayo and then S/T Henderson for a PF.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#492 » by HornetJail » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:05 am

MasterIchiro wrote:We could end the rebuild right now if we take a chance on Bynum and he stays healthy and improves on his numbers from his last healthy season. If Clifford and Ewing are able to work with him. Obviously team doctors and medical experts have to make a judgment call but imagine if Bynum were healthy?

Kemba Walker/Sessions
O.J. Mayo/Gordon
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
Cody Zeller/McRoberts
Andrew Bynum/Biyombo

The Heat, Pacers, Bulls and Nets are better. We'd compete for the 5 seed with the New York Knicks. We'd be better than Celtics, Hawks, Raptors, Pistons, Magic, Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Wiz, Cavs. Plus we'd own a top-1 protected pick in 2015 from the Pistons, an unprotected pick in 2016 from the Blazers.

That team is good enough to pull off a major upset in the playoffs as well.
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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#493 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:09 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I have absolutely no idea why people think OJ Mayo is a headcase?


Ask the Grizzlies why they let Mayo walk via free agency for nothing after drafting him in the lottery & demoting him from starting SG of the future to 6th man, then ask Rick Carlisle why he screamed on him, and you'll get your answer


OJ has had his moments for sure but the reality is that he is hardly Michael Beasley.

The reason they demoted him was because they wanted to win and sometimes to do that talented players need to play behind and be role players.

Carlisle screams at everyone by the way, he's not a Van Gundy for sure but he is demanding.
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Post#494 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:24 am

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mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I have absolutely no idea why people think OJ Mayo is a headcase?


Ask the Grizzlies why they let Mayo walk via free agency for nothing after drafting him in the lottery & demoting him from starting SG of the future to 6th man, then ask Rick Carlisle why he screamed on him, and you'll get your answer


OJ has had his moments for sure but the reality is that he is hardly Michael Beasley.

The reason they demoted him was because they wanted to win and sometimes to do that talented players need to play behind and be role players.

Carlisle screams at everyone by the way, he's not a Van Gundy for sure but he is demanding.


Just because O.J. Mayo is not on Michael Beasley's level of being a headcase doesn't mean that he's not one. There's a such thing as dumb & dumber
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Post#495 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:26 am

Yes and there's such a thing as having a poor team culture which OJ suffered from on the Grizzlies and yes they've turned it around but it was TERRIBLE since forever.

What do you think a headcase is? Calling him dumb? News flash but a lot of athletes are Dumb with a capital D.
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Post#496 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:32 am

Sik Infant wrote:Yes and there's such a thing as having a poor team culture which OJ suffered from on the Grizzlies and yes they've turned it around but it was TERRIBLE since forever.

What do you think a headcase is? Calling him dumb? News flash but a lot of athletes are Dumb with a capital D.


I'm not calling Mayo dumb by that reference. I was just making a case that there's a such thing of being more of a headcase than another headcase, making an example that Beasley is a bigger cancer than Mayo. Actually, I don't even think Mayo is a cancer & I like him as a player, but he is a bit of a disruptive personality in a locker room that doesn't accomodate to him & I don't like his outlook on the Bobcats. That's all I'm saying
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Post#497 » by AussieMJ » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:48 am

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JMAC3 wrote:Its laughable people are saying we need to pay McRoberts 5 million a year, but they only think we should offer Mayo 6. I think we need to look at free agency a lot different than what many of you guys have been. We overvalue our players and downgrade everybody else.

McBob is 6'10, only 26. He aggressively rebounded. He looked to set picks and pass, at all times getting others involved. He played within the system. Other parts of the team worked better when he was on the floor. He did it all with a joie de vivre that inspired esprit des corps. In short, he played basketball the way I enjoy seeing it played. Call me a terrible homer but I would gladly overpay him to stay.

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Post#498 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:58 am

Welcome to the board Aussie MJ.
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Post#499 » by AussieMJ » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:59 am

Sik Infant wrote:Welcome to the board Aussie MJ.

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Re: The 2013 free agency thread. 

Post#500 » by amcoolio » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:02 am

So many people on the gen board are predicting Bynum to the Bobcats.

I would commit seppuku.

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