Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2

Post #1361 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 2:45 am

I wonder if there's a situation Bargnani could go to where he's a productive player. There would need to be a penetrating point guard who can get into the lane at will (ala John Wall or Chris Paul) and a big-time defensive center who shuts down the paint while vacuuming in rebounds (ala Dwight Howard or Tyson Chandler).

I don't know if there's a team in this league that has both components.

mhd · Post #1362 » by **mhd** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:04 am

Rafael122 wrote:
mhd wrote:I think the Raps are obviously tanking for Wiggins. I expect Gay to be on the block.

What about Gay for Jimmer+Salmons (expiring via team option)+Hayes? The Kings are going to be way better than all of these teams that are tanking. They might as well go for the playoff spot vacated by Utah and LAL likely.

They are better off keeping Gay. He still has $37 million due to him. Just keep him and get the savings in two years.

Gay will win them some games. They are better off tanking (too bad, I had them slotted as the 7th best team in the East). My Sac trade idea is cap netural in the sense that Hayes expires the same time as Gay does, but also saves Tor some money as Salmons expires a year sooner.

doclinkin · Post #1363 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:17 am

fishercob wrote:Are any of you telling me that in the pre-Ted Ernie years this is not precisely the type of trade we would have made?

I can just hear Ernie's press conference: "Well obviously he adds a new dimension to our team...he's very versatile....he was a former #1 overall pick, so obviously we're very excited to be able to add a talent of his caliber."

Fixed.

What I'd love is to get in the mix for Omer Asik in the Rockets firesale. He'd be a nice fit as a back-up/replacement for Okafor. Sadly our biggest asset is the Okariza expiring contracts, but they don't lapse until next season, so too late. Would have been nice to land Thomas Robinson too. Bring him home.

Makes me smile that Camby gets to finish his career in Canada, back where he came into the league.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #1364 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:06 am

miller31time wrote:I wonder if there's a situation Bargnani could go to where he's a productive player. There would need to be a penetrating point guard who can get into the lane at will (ala John Wall or Chris Paul) and a big-time defensive center who shuts down the paint while vacuuming in rebounds (ala Dwight Howard or Tyson Chandler).

I don't know if there's a team in this league that has both components.

Wizards are ironically one of the few teams that almost fit the bill. Okafor and Nene aren't elite rebounders but their rebound rate will only go up playing with Bargs, and we have John Wall. Beal and Porter are also great rebounders for their position.

Post #1365 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:23 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:
miller31time wrote:I wonder if there's a situation Bargnani could go to where he's a productive player. There would need to be a penetrating point guard who can get into the lane at will (ala John Wall or Chris Paul) and a big-time defensive center who shuts down the paint while vacuuming in rebounds (ala Dwight Howard or Tyson Chandler).

I don't know if there's a team in this league that has both components.

Wizards are ironically one of the few teams that almost fit the bill. Okafor and Nene aren't elite rebounders but their rebound rate will only go up playing with Bargs, and we have John Wall. Beal and Porter are also great rebounders for their position.

I was thinking the same thing. And if his salary wasn't so ridiculous (and the 10% trade kicker just makes things laughable), I'd have no problem throwing Toronto a couple second rounders and Ariza or whatever else it would take within reason.

Post #1366 » by **montestewart** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:54 am

Kanyewest wrote:I found this on Twitter.

so Knicks have now traded away first round picks in 2014 & 2016 and second-round picks in 2013, 2014, 2015 & 2016. And possibly 2017 & 2018.

The old Knicks would repeatedly take on the bloated long-term contracts of former stars. Looks like they found a new way to ruin their future.

FAH1223 · Post #1367 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:10 am

The Knicks are stupid.

dangermouse · Post #1368 » by **dangermouse** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:28 am

If Knicks like guys nursing injuries with bloated contracts, maybe they'll take Nene too? Not that Bargnani is exactly injured but you know what I mean. Softness is kind of an injury. Its an injury of the heart.

rockymac52 · Post #1369 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:41 am

dangermouse wrote:If Knicks like guys nursing injuries with bloated contracts, maybe they'll take Nene too? Not that Bargnani is exactly injured but you know what I mean. Softness is kind of an injury. Its an injury of the heart.

The Knicks would absolutely be interested in Nene, but I don't know what we'd get in return. Probably just Bargs, so no. Or we'd throw in someone else and get Amare, and again, no.

verbal8 · Post #1370 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 10:55 am

Nene for Bargs might make sense at the trade deadline or in the offseason. The Knicks might be one of the few teams that would see Nene's long-term deal as a plus. It would take a disappointing season from Nene and a decent one from Bargs for this to make sense.

Although I think making an offer to Copeland as a free agent is probably a better option.

rockymac52 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:If Knicks like guys nursing injuries with bloated contracts, maybe they'll take Nene too? Not that Bargnani is exactly injured but you know what I mean. Softness is kind of an injury. Its an injury of the heart.

The Knicks would absolutely be interested in Nene, but I don't know what we'd get in return. Probably just Bargs, so no. Or we'd throw in someone else and get Amare, and again, no.

verbal8 · Post #1371 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:27 am

Here is a bit of a surprising team on this list:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... icks-Bulls

Monta Ellis has received interest from the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls, San Antonio Spurs, Denver Nuggets and Phoenix Suns as free agency began.

Ellis doesn't really seem like a Spurs type of player. I think he would be an upgrade over Ginobili at this point, but I don't see it working with his poor defense and shot selection.

rockymac52 · Post #1372 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:45 am

I don't even think Ellis is better than what's left of Ginobili. I call BS on that report. IMO, that's just a poor job of Monta Ellis' agent trying to make it sound like several teams are interested in signing him in order to drive up his value/demand. I understand that's what agents do, but if you're going to leak a made up report like that, at least make it somewhat believable. Like, the Suns. They were one of the teams mentioned in the report. That's believable since they are completely rebuilding and could use any semblance of talent at this point.

But the other four teams mentioned leave me highly skeptical. I suppose the Knicks have a history of doing bizarre, inexplicable things (see Bargnani trade), so that's at least somewhat plausible. The Nuggets could have a big hole at SG if they lose Iguodala and Brewer, so that kiiinda makes sense, although still seems a little farfetched. The Bulls could use a SG as well, but they don't have much money available because of the luxury tax, so unless they're going to sign Ellis for $3 million or less, it ain't happening.

The Spurs part just makes me laugh though. I cannot think of a more anti-Spurs type player. I honestly am not sure if the Spurs would add Ellis on a minimum contract, other than for the purposes of trading him elsewhere. He can't shoot 3s at a respectable rate anymore, yet he still shoots 4 a game. He's inefficient offensively, and very bad defensively. Worst of all, he's the classic example of the player who thinks he's A LOT better than he actually is (see turning down the Bucks $36 million over 3 years offer). He doesn't accept that he isn't a star caliber player. He won't accept the much smaller role that he deserves, and as a result, will never be on a contending team. There's a reason he's only sniffed the playoffs a couple times in his career, both as an 8 seed.

I honestly think this has agent spin written all over it, and it leads me to believe that there aren't very many teams interested in Ellis at the moment, if any at all.

dangermouse · Post #1373 » by **dangermouse** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:49 am

I think Ellis would come off the bench in the Ginobili role. Maybe Gino is done, who knows. Pop could be the one guy who might get through to Ellis.

I'm surprised the Suns are going after him. I'd expect them to just tank and pray for a high draft pick.

rockymac52 · Post #1374 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 11:59 am

dangermouse wrote:I think Ellis would come off the bench in the Ginobili role. Maybe Gino is done, who knows. Pop could be the one guy who might get through to Ellis.

I'm surprised the Suns are going after him. I'd expect them to just tank and pray for a high draft pick.

See, that's why I think it's obvious this report is pure lies coming from Ellis' agent.

He has no place on a contender, because he demands big minutes and a lot of possessions, despite being incredibly inefficient and bad on defense.

He has no place on a rebuilding team, because he doesn't fit into their future plans and would only improve their record slightly in the short-term, decreasing their odds at winning the lottery/giving them a lower pick.

Honestly, I'm not sure what NBA team is going to want Monta Ellis this summer. I'd be shocked if anyone gave him a substantial offer. Maybe when the dust settles a few teams would want to sign him for the MLE, but even then, I just don't know who that would be.

The T'Wolves come to mind as a team that needs a SG and tends to get the leftovers and guys no one wants because of their location, so I guess that's a possibility, but I have a feeling they can find a better SG before they resort to Ellis - maybe OJ Mayo?

The Bobcats are always a possibility with guys like this, and you never know what they're thinking, so it wouldn't shock me to see him wind up there.

The Bucks were honestly a really good fit for him. Small and undesirable market, could offer him top dollar because they're desperate for top talent, and of course, they don't have a SG and their existing core are mostly defensive oriented players, which would allow Ellis to continue to dominate the ball and take a lot of shots. He's going to regret leaving $36 million on the table, especially when he probably ends up on a similar team.

fishercob · Post #1375 » by **fishercob** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:13 pm

Kyle Korver reportedly set to "take less" to sign in Brooklyn. That is presumably the taxpayer MLE (I believe $3M). This is a good with with respect to settin the market for Mart3ll.

rockymac52 · Post #1376 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:20 pm

fishercob wrote:Kyle Korver reportedly set to "take less" to sign in Brooklyn. That is presumably the taxpayer MLE (I believe $3M). This is a good with with respect to settin the market for Mart3ll.

Lol I just posted basically the exact same thing in the Free Agents thread. Good thinking

verbal8 · Post #1377 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:53 pm

Looking at the list again, I could only see Phoenix and Nuggets offering him above the MLE. And I don't see them offering a ton more than that. There is no doubt that the extension was the best offer he was ever going to get. I think he will have trouble getting an offer that makes opting out look good vs. playing under the last season and getting the full MLE next season. Basically $6.65 million/year is the break-even point for that.

rockymac52 wrote:Honestly, I'm not sure what NBA team is going to want Monta Ellis this summer. I'd be shocked if anyone gave him a substantial offer. Maybe when the dust settles a few teams would want to sign him for the MLE, but even then, I just don't know who that would be.

verbal8 · Post #1378 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:22 pm

David Lee is on the trade market:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... -David-Lee

The Golden State Warriors are searching for a trade of David Lee, who has three seasons and $44 million remaining on his contrac.t

The Warriors offered Lee in a deal for Andrea Bargnani, but the Toronto Raptors elected to send him to the New York Knicks.

The Warriors also have offered Lee along with Brandon Rush to the Portland Trail Blazers for LaMarcus Aldridge.

I wonder how long Portland considered that deal :lol:

I wonder if the Lakers would have some interest if they are trying to rebuild on the fly. They could probably get Lee and a future pick for Gasol. It would save the Lakers money this year, which would make the future years of Lee's deal a little easier to take.

Post #1379 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:42 pm

A few have said the Bargs deal was about TOR tanking but I'm not so sure. If they wanted to tank, why give up Ed Davis and calderon's exp at the deadline for Gay's contract?

Seems like they just wanted to part ways with Bargs and this was a better option than amnesty. Looking at the east, they could compete for a playoff spot IMO if JV improves and they add another piece.

mhd · Post #1380 » by **mhd** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 2:06 pm

LyricalRico wrote:A few have said the Bargs deal was about TOR tanking but I'm not so sure. If they wanted to tank, why give up Ed Davis and calderon's exp at the deadline for Gay's contract?

Seems like they just wanted to part ways with Bargs and this was a better option than amnesty. Looking at the east, they could compete for a playoff spot IMO if JV improves and they add another piece.

That was their old gm Bryan collangello. They are under new management