Did the Nets ruin their future?

[PetroNet]

We will see. Keep in mind Deng is a.) not a primary scorer such as Pierce b.) Pierce will not be the primary scoring option in Brooklyn, and instead will be the second or third option. KG will probably be one of the last scoring options which is why I say Boozer>KG.

So who was the Bulls primary scorer this year? Deng was their leading scorer.

KG won't be one of the last scoring options because he can't do what Boozer does...he'll do it because he has more talent around him and they don't need him to score all that much. He does everything Boozer can do, but better. And he's on another planet when it comes to defense.

He DID do everything Boozer does but better. I'd say they're close to even now. He may be a great defender, but I just don't see him being better than boozer

Deng and Boozer were tied at 16 PPG this year. With D Rose back, he won't get as many looks.

look, stop the charade. if you want to come in here and give a different viewpoint, thats fine. but if you are going to come in here and used 1 single volume stat to compare players, have even those numbers not be close, and still claim those 2 bulls players are better, well thats either trolling or simply showing a complete lack of understand of the game.

Pierce was better then deng last year. and not just slightly better... leaps and bounds better. You can also come up with this weird story about how pierce was the first option and deng wasnt... but thats kind of irrelevant considering deng took MORE shots(14.6 per game vs pierce at 14.1


Pts/Rebs/Asts
Pierce 18.3/6.3/4.8
deng 16.3/6.3/3.0

PER
Pierce 19.1
Deng 15.1

TS%
Pierce .560
Deng .508

oRTG
Pierce 107
Deng 105

dRTG
Pierce 101
Deng 105

Rebounding%
Pierce 11.2
Deng 9.4

defensive WS
Pierce 3.9
Deng 3.3

So pierce was a better scorer, who shot the ball significantly better, who racked up more assists, rebounded better, had a higher effeciency,and defended better. he also isnt coming off injury/health issues like deng. yet somehow deng is better?

seriously dude, if you want to make a point here, or try and say certainy player are better., thats fine. we are always welcome to people from other boards and there arent many homers here. but this isnt the general board, you cant just come in here and say "deng is better!" without backing it up and have that just fly

[PetroNet]

So who was the Bulls primary scorer this year? Deng was their leading scorer.

KG won't be one of the last scoring options because he can't do what Boozer does...he'll do it because he has more talent around him and they don't need him to score all that much. He does everything Boozer can do, but better. And he's on another planet when it comes to defense.

He DID do everything Boozer does but better. I'd say they're close to even now. He may be a great defender, but I just don't see him being better than boozer

Deng and Boozer were tied at 16 PPG this year. With D Rose back, he won't get as many looks.

Ok, then explain WHY Boozer is better. We've established that KG has a huge advantage defensively. So Boozer has to be a lot better offensively to be better than KG right? What does he do better offensively than KG?

I think you should make a thread on the Bulls board asking them if they'd accept a Boozer for KG trade, and examine the results.

Defensively Garnett is significantly better. Blocked more shots, lower dRTG, more defensive win shares, insane on/off numbers, etc....

Boozer was a better rebounder... although on the defensive glass the 2 were pretty close, boozer really did more damage then garnett on the offensive glass.

Offensively, Garnett was better right down the line. boozer isnt too far off, but garnett again clearly better. Higher PER, higher FG%, higher TS%, Higher oRTG.

to say boozer is better then garnett is just foolish. not that boozer is bad, cause i really like his game. but he is a 1 way player who hustles while garnett is a 2 way player who hustles who is more efficient offensively

[MrDollarBills]

I would've agreed a few years back, but Deng>pierce, boozer>KG

This dude is clearly trolling.

[PetroNet]

I don't know why you're even here since you're obviously not going to be convinced otherwise from what your opinion is. Why don't you do yourself a favor and go ask Bulls fans who they would take between Boozer and KG? Pierce and Deng are closer, mainly because of Deng's defense, but Pierce is so much better as an offensive player, it's not even funny. You're straight up trolling.

I'm just stating my opinion. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Opinions arent worth much without facts to back them up. Your opinion is more then welcome here. but you need to back it up or base it something. Statistics, video, articles written on the topic by an expert, etc...

for instance

I think in a one on one matchup with KG he wins in the low post on offense every time. He's just flat out bigger and stronger. I think he's a better passer than Garnett, and running the pick and pop with D Rose would make Garnett look silly.

This "opinion" of yours has no basis, the facts and history disprove 99% of it, and you dont list 1 thing to tell us how you derrived at your opinion.

1) Boozer isnt bigger. Garnett is 6'11". Boozer is 6'9" so he isnt bigger. Stronger? probably, but garnett is no soft euro, and one of the best post defenders in the NBA (opponents PER of 9.2 in post)

2) Boozer would "win in the low post on offense every time". kind of an out of the box no thought statement here given garnetts post defense listed above. you can combine that with boozer being just an average post scorer(14.7 PER), and then throw in boozer averaging 14.4 pts on 43% shooting against the celtics this year(both well below his season averages) so im really not sure where this "opinion" you got was formed from

3) "pick and pop" from d rose would make him look silly." first, im not sure how to quantify "silly". second, garnett last year was top 10 in the nba in pick and roll defense, and last year was the number 2 player in the league in pick and roll situations. Boozer is a really good pnr and pnp player... but garnett is an elite defender in those situations...

if you want to take it a step further, boozer was below the league average in pick and roll situations defensively, while garnett one of the better pick and roll scorers(19.7 PER on pick and roll/pop plays, 38.2% of his offense)

you didnt offend anyone, you just didnt anything of substance. Opinions are fantastic when someone elaborates on them and backs them up. when they just throw crap against the wall and sees what sticks the place just ends up smelling bad.

[MrDollarBills]

Petro don't even waste your time with this clown. He clearly started this thread to try and start crap with Net fans, and his statements are laughable. Dude is trolling.