Re: Offical Free Agent Central

[red222]

Amick is reporting the deal is 4 years/48 mil.

The Pelicans don't have the capspace to give him that much though I think, they'd need to waive someone.

ugh! Deng is getting 14+ mil a year again.

[bad knees]

All the more reason to believe that we will never find an adequate replacement for Luol next summer with our 11.5 mm in cap space. Better to sign him now, and use our exceptions now to get real assets for this year, next year, and the year beyond. If we don't use those exceptions now, they will disappear forever. The 2014 plan is fools' gold.

[Chi town]

well said Magilla. Tyreke should be worth 8M per. Teams will bank on his unreached potential. Deng is what he is and much older. IMO this make Deng worth 12M per next summer.

This CBA shows you have to build a team with one max player, two 12M players that better be fringe all stars, vet mins, and productive rookies. You can have two max players but then you will have less paid talent at more positions.


I'm still convinced we can win a ring this season with a couple vet min signings and what we got.

[SteelerSpartan]

Amick is reporting the deal is 4 years/48 mil.

The Pelicans don't have the capspace to give him that much though I think, they'd need to waive someone.

ugh! Deng is getting 14+ mil a year again.

This place would explode....from the all out war that would ensue

[HyMay]

If they sign Nate and an productive big I would be happy....but if they manage to wrestle LMA away from Portland I would be cool with that to.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

Woj says the Hornets may look to trade Robin Lopez to clear room for Tyreke. Robin only makes 5.1M and he would be a nice backup for Noah. Future pick for him, absorb w/TPE?

EDIT: Nevermind, don't know what I was thinking, 5.1M > 5M, can't use TPE.

[DuckIII]

Amick is reporting the deal is 4 years/48 mil.

The Pelicans don't have the capspace to give him that much though I think, they'd need to waive someone.

ugh! Deng is getting 14+ mil a year again.

I think that's premature for several reasons:

(a) Tyreke is viewed as a "scorer" and the numbers show scorers are the most likely to get inflated contract offers because GMs historically overvalue that skill relative to defense.

(b) New Orleans has to drastically overpay to get anyone to agree to play there.

(c) Tyreke still has the allure of unknown, untapped potential.

(d) Tyreke is young.

None of these things apply to Deng. I still don't see a team offering Deng anything meaningfully more than 4/44 unless he just absolutely blows up this season. Which won't happen, since as I said you pretty much know what you are going to get from Deng and that isn't changing.

[MrFortune3]

Amick is reporting the deal is 4 years/48 mil.

The Pelicans don't have the capspace to give him that much though I think, they'd need to waive someone.

ugh! Deng is getting 14+ mil a year again.

I think that's premature for several reasons:

(a) Tyreke is viewed as a "scorer" and the numbers show scorers are the most likely to get inflated contract offers because GMs historically overvalue that skill relative to defense.

(b) New Orleans has to drastically overpay to get anyone to agree to play there.

(c) Tyreke still has the allure of unknown, untapped potential. Deng doesn't.

(d) Tyreke is young.

None of these things apply to Deng. I still don't see a team offering Deng anything meaningfully more than 4/44 unless he just absolutely blows up this season. Which won't happen, since as I said you pretty much know what you are going to get from Deng and that isn't changing.

that's exactly why i think he'll get his money. you know exactly what you're getting in Deng and it only takes 1-2 stupid teams to blow up your price. if you're a fledgling team it can help you become a playoff contender.
he won't command the ball and will defer to whatever star you already have.

i'm mostly talking about what he is likely to get from the Bulls should his agent not cut them a deal.
it's obvious they highly value him, i highly doubt they view Evans as a better player and his agent will definitely use recent deals to get a price range. if a Iguodala gets 17-18 mil and Evans gets 12 that puts Deng on pace for about 14-15 mil per based upon the market.

[drosestruts]

Woj says the Hornets may look to trade Robin Lopez to clear room for Tyreke. Robin only makes 5.1M and he would be a nice backup for Noah. Future pick for him, absorb w/TPE?

EDIT: Nevermind, don't know what I was thinking, 5.1M > 5M, can't use TPE.

Rip for Robin works CBA wise and saves the Pelicans money.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I don't know.

Tyreke + Taj = $20 million

Deng + Boozer = $28 million

Hmmmm, which combo would you choose for Rose?

[red222]

Warriors expected to offer Jarrett Jack at least $7 million per season

Hawks have just finished their meeting with Dwight Howard. No comment except to tell Shelley Smith that it went "well."

The Pacers have announced that they will not become a taxpaying team this season "for any reason," tweets Darnell Mayberry of The Oklahoman. Indiana has close to $49MM on the books for this coming season, well below the projected $71.6MM tax threshold.

Still, the team figures to add a lucrative salary for David West, and they've extended a qualifying offer to match entreaties from other teams for Tyler Hansbrough. The Pacers have also agreed to a deal with point guard C.J. Watson, though it's not clear how much he's getting.

The club's salary figure will rise by $930K if the club guarantees Lance Stephenson's contract later this month, as expected. The Pacers haven't been a taxpaying team since 2005/06, and when team president Larry Bird left last year, there were rumblings that the team's unwillingness to spend was a reason why. Bird's back this summer, so I assume he's on board with the latest pronouncement.

Also sounds like if Evans doesn't like what he hears from the Kings this evening, he could agree to offer sheet. Can't be signed until 7/10

[musketeer]

Amick is reporting the deal is 4 years/48 mil.

The Pelicans don't have the capspace to give him that much though I think, they'd need to waive someone.

ugh! Deng is getting 14+ mil a year again.

I think that's premature for several reasons:

(a) Tyreke is viewed as a "scorer" and the numbers show scorers are the most likely to get inflated contract offers because GMs historically overvalue that skill relative to defense.

(b) New Orleans has to drastically overpay to get anyone to agree to play there.

(c) Tyreke still has the allure of unknown, untapped potential.

(d) Tyreke is young.

None of these things apply to Deng. I still don't see a team offering Deng anything meaningfully more than 4/44 unless he just absolutely blows up this season. Which won't happen, since as I said you pretty much know what you are going to get from Deng and that isn't changing.

I think you may be right from a historical perspective but there is a real wave of young GMs that are taking a stats based approach and I see the high scoring guys who don't bring much else to the table very much falling in value. We are already seeing that with guys like Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, etc.

On the other hand, defensive guys seem to be very much en vogue. Nicholas Batum got a big deal. Guys like Taj and Omer got paid. There seems to be a new conventional wisdom growing about what guys have value. Luol is going to be a player who is helped by that new thinking. There will be numerous smaller market teams with no hope of attracting a true superstar with their cap room that will be very happy to bring in a guy with the all around game of Luol for 14M+. Teams like Minnesota, Cleveland, Utah, etc.

Just my opinion, but if Deng replicates his 12-13 season, he is going to command a very big deal next offseason.

[DuckIII]

Also sounds like if Evans doesn't like what he hears from the Kings this evening, he could agree to offer sheet. Can't be signed until 7/10

Things Evans heard from the Kings that he doesn't like:

(1) "What are you doing here?"

(2) "Didn't you watch the draft?"

(3) "New Orleans, huh? Great town."

(4) "Hey, when you leave would you grab that box in the hallway with your stuff in it?"

[Red Larrivee]

In a world where Tyreke gets 12 million a year, Deng is underpaid at 14.

Yet there will be people on this board applauding the signing.

I'm still waiting on what Iguodala agrees to. He's probably the closest thing we'll have for a comparison.

Evans signed for the money that guys like DeRozan, Holiday, Curry, and Lawson signed for. So that seems to be the market for up and coming guards, who aren't stars. Curry's the only of the group who seems to be underpaid for his current production. He would've got a max if he hit free agency like he was supposed to.

[Mech Engineer]

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I think you may be right from a historical perspective but there is a real wave of young GMs that are taking a stats based approach and I see the high scoring guys who don't bring much else to the table very much falling in value. We are already seeing that with guys like Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, etc.

On the other hand, defensive guys seem to be very much en vogue. Nicholas Batum got a big deal. Guys like Taj and Omer got paid. There seems to be a new conventional wisdom growing about what guys have value. Luol is going to be a player who is helped by that new thinking. There will be numerous smaller market teams with no hope of attracting a true superstar with their cap room that will be very happy to bring in a guy with the all around game of Luol for 14M+. Teams like Minnesota, Cleveland, Utah, etc.

Just my opinion, but if Deng replicates his 12-13 season, he is going to command a very big deal next offseason.

Good points. We also saw how OJ Mayo didn't get paid at all last year. That said, Jeremy Lin got paid but that maybe more due to his Chinese marketing reasons.

[kulaz3000]

Chicago has emerged as a frontrunner to sign free agent Mike Dunleavy, Jr., league sources tell Y! Sides discussing two-year, $6M deal.

[HomoSapien]

Eric Pincus of HoopsWorld reports Nets have interest in Marco Belinelli, the 6'5" Italian sharpshooter who has a reputation as Nets killer. They have reached out to him.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Chicago has emerged as a frontrunner to sign free agent Mike Dunleavy, Jr., league sources tell Y! Sides discussing two-year, $6M deal.

Would be a great signing. I'm hoping these reports are true.

[red222]

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report: Forget that Dwight Howard met w/Rockets first. Great source confirms Dwight Howard is likely to sign with the Dallas Mavericks.

Yes, it is still early in #DwightHoward talks, but I can all but confirm that Golden State is out. #Mavericks are likely to ink the deal.

@TWSnyderman @daskins_21 I'm the guy who broke Ray Allen and Camby deals last summer

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Jordan Schultz @Schultz_Report: Forget that Dwight Howard met w/Rockets first. Great source confirms Dwight Howard is likely to sign with the Dallas Mavericks.

Yes, it is still early in #DwightHoward talks, but I can all but confirm that Golden State is out. #Mavericks are likely to ink the deal.

@TWSnyderman @daskins_21 I'm the guy who broke Ray Allen and Camby deals last summer

I would love it if Houston gets played.

Those Asik & Lin deals may end up biting Morey in the *ss.