YES!YES!YES! Nate Wolters in Second Round

[CanadaBucks]

Southern Ontario like in Canada? Are we the only two Canadian Bucks fans?

Chocolate bar not candy bar?
Pop not soda?
Vinegar on fries?

We call soda "pop".

Everyone should call it soda.

Soda is something you put with scotch

[CanadaBucks]

SDSU vs Michigan was the only game I've seen Wolters play. And he was atrocious. He could barely even get set up in the halfcourt. He couldn't get a shot off that wasn't an end-of-the-shotclock style contested desperation heave. He could not handle Burke at all. From what I remember.
I know his whole team was over-matched, but based on that game, I'm not excited at all about swapping Ledo for him. (Though it is encouraging to read how everybody here is so confident he ll be a good pro I guess).

Looking at the boxscore, Burke was atrocious-er

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330800130

Naters gonna Nate!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

SDSU vs Michigan was the only game I've seen Wolters play. And he was atrocious. He could barely even get set up in the halfcourt. He couldn't get a shot off that wasn't an end-of-the-shotclock style contested desperation heave. He could not handle Burke at all. From what I remember.
I know his whole team was over-matched, but based on that game, I'm not excited at all about swapping Ledo for him. (Though it is encouraging to read how everybody here is so confident he ll be a good pro I guess).

Looking at the boxscore, Burke was atrocious-er

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330800130

Naters gonna Nate!

sdsu made that a pretty damn good ballgame for 30+ minutes. down 6 with 10 to go.... and down 9 with the ball and a punchers chance at the 4.30 mark. i dont know how you could say that game was somehow an indictment against either wolters or his team afterwards.

[thomchatt3rton]

"CanadaBucks"


Looking at the boxscore, Burke was atrocious-er

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330800130

Naters gonna Nate!

To me, the fact that Burke had an atrocious game too doesn't make Wolter's atrocious game any less atrocious.

I'm not a hater of nate- I hope he's all you say he is and more . Im just saying I saw him play once and he looked really bad.
My recollection was that he looked really rattled, esp early in the game, he couldn't handle Michigan's D at all, struggled to run the offense etc. Burke had an awful offensive game too but i don't remember him struggling with the basic aspects of pointguard play like nate did.

sdsu made that a pretty damn good ballgame for 30+ minutes. down 6 with 10 to go.... and down 9 with the ball and a punchers chance at the 4.30 mark. i dont know how you could say that game was somehow an indictment against either wolters or his team afterwards.

It's an indictment against Wolter' in the sense that he played poorly in a big game going up against a future NBA draft pick in Trey Burke. I know it was just one game, I'm not damning Wolters- I just said I saw him play once and he looked awful. And he did.
I'm not "indicting" his team either- I said they were overmatched. As in, Michigan had a better team, with more talent.

[engelmartin]

I'll take Wolters over Ledo, after review. It's too close to call, at this point, and we're obviously going to be watching that one for years. Wonder if they'll match up in summer league.

[CanadaBucks]

"CanadaBucks"


Looking at the boxscore, Burke was atrocious-er

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330800130

Naters gonna Nate!

To me, the fact that Burke had an atrocious game too doesn't make Wolter's atrocious game any less atrocious.

I'm not a hater of nate- I hope he's all you say he is and more . Im just saying I saw him play once and he looked really bad.
My recollection was that he looked really rattled, esp early in the game, he couldn't handle Michigan's D at all, struggled to run the offense etc. Burke had an awful offensive game too but i don't remember him struggling with the basic aspects of pointguard play like nate did.

sdsu made that a pretty damn good ballgame for 30+ minutes. down 6 with 10 to go.... and down 9 with the ball and a punchers chance at the 4.30 mark. i dont know how you could say that game was somehow an indictment against either wolters or his team afterwards.

It's an indictment against Wolter' in the sense that he played poorly in a big game going up against a future NBA draft pick in Trey Burke. I know it was just one game, I'm not damning Wolters- I just said I saw him play once and he looked awful. And he did.
I'm not "indicting" his team either- I said they were overmatched. As in, Michigan had a better team, with more talent.

You did say this though

He could not handle Burke at all.

Which is why I brought it up...it's not a big deal though, the game means nothing now.

[mattg]

Wolters outplayed Burke in that game. Defended him very well. Wolters shot was off and there was a massive talent discrepancy between the two teams so IMO its very silly to hold that performance against Nate. Especially since he played very well in other big games and he'll never see that kind of defensive attention in the nba.

[buckboy]

Also, in his 2012 game vs. Baylor, he played pretty well, except for the 5 TO.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320750239

That was a game SDSU should've/could've won. That was a 3/14 game.

[thomchatt3rton]

CanadaBuck- I didn't express myself very clearly. I meant, Wolter's couldn't handle Burke's defense; the implication being he may have a tough time handling himself against NBA PGs defense. But yes you're right- it doesn't really matter, its just one game. Totally agree.

[thomchatt3rton]

Wolters outplayed Burke in that game. Defended him very well. Wolters shot was off and there was a massive talent discrepancy between the two teams so IMO its very silly to hold that performance against Nate. Especially since he played very well in other big games and he'll never see that kind of defensive attention in the nba.

What I infer from your first couple sentences is that Burke had a bad shooting night because of Wolter's D, but Wolter's had a bad shooting night because his "shot was off". Hmm...

I do agree with the talent discrepancy aspect though- I mentioned that in the OP.

Again, my recollection of the game was that Wolter's totally struggled under Burkes ball pressure. Especially early in the game. I'll agree to disagree with your assertion that Wolter's clearly outplayed Burke (they both had awful games, so its more like who sucked less, not who outplayed who..)

But yes of course you're right it is silly to hold one game against a guy (but it may also be silly to totally discount a performance like that too- I do take it for what its worth) And I hope you all are more right about Wolter;'s in the NBA than I am

[Nate Rocks]

The difference in that game was that Nate had to guard Burke by himself while the others had to stop Hardaway, Geary, Robinson etc. Burke on the other hand had plenty of help as Michigan made a conscious decision to stop Nate and let the others try to beat them. Whenever Nate tried to drive their defense completely collapsed to plug all the lanes. Was Nate flustered trying to create one on five....yep he was, but he won't get that type of attention in the NBA. Burke on the other hand was shut down by a bigger guard and he will see that frequently. Just my two cents.

[mattg]

Wolters outplayed Burke in that game. Defended him very well. Wolters shot was off and there was a massive talent discrepancy between the two teams so IMO its very silly to hold that performance against Nate. Especially since he played very well in other big games and he'll never see that kind of defensive attention in the nba.

What I infer from your first couple sentences is that Burke had a bad shooting night because of Wolter's D, but Wolter's had a bad shooting night because his "shot was off". Hmm...

I do agree with the talent discrepancy aspect though- I mentioned that in the OP.

Again, my recollection of the game was that Wolter's totally struggled under Burkes ball pressure. Especially early in the game. I'll agree to disagree with your assertion that Wolter's clearly outplayed Burke (they both had awful games, so its more like who sucked less, not who outplayed who..)

But yes of course you're right it is silly to hold one game against a guy (but it may also be silly to totally discount a performance like that too- I do take it for what its worth) And I hope you all are more right about Wolter;'s in the NBA than I am

Well if you want to bring statistics into it, Burke shot 29% last year when guarded by players taller than 6'1", so it's hardly absurd to say that wolters size and effort bother Burke somewhat as all big guards do. I think wolters just missed a lot of make able shots that he usually would hit. But in any case it's not a big deal. I don't think wolters is gonna be a huge steal or anything, but he can definitely compete, though obviously everything hinges on his consistency as a jump shooter.

[Nebula1]

Putting a hundo on Wolters becoming a Milwaukee fave

[BrooklynBulls]

Well if you want to bring statistics into it, Burke shot 29% last year when guarded by players taller than 6'1", so it's hardly absurd to say that wolters size and effort bother Burke somewhat as all big guards do. .

Fascinating, can you tell me where you got that stat from?

[mattg]

Well if you want to bring statistics into it, Burke shot 29% last year when guarded by players taller than 6'1", so it's hardly absurd to say that wolters size and effort bother Burke somewhat as all big guards do. .

Fascinating, can you tell me where you got that stat from?

It was all over twitter a few days ago so if you searched you might be able to find it. I'll see if I can dig up the source though.

[jr lucosa]

20 page thread on a 2nd rounder? These guys are useless.

[Garbs_7]

20 page thread on a 2nd rounder? These guys are useless.

That is just not true at all. For a team like the Bucks who could use all the talent it can get, plenty of decent players to come out of the second round every year.

[jr lucosa]

That is just not true at all. For a team like the Bucks who could use all the talent it can get, plenty of decent players to come out of the second round every year.

Really? Because we just picked up two of them, one of which should be better slotted than where Nate Wolters was drafted for a guy who was walking regardless and 90% of the board is ready to riot.

[Garbs_7]

That is just not true at all. For a team like the Bucks who could use all the talent it can get, plenty of decent players to come out of the second round every year.

Really? Because we just picked up two of them, one of which should be better slotted than where Nate Wolters was drafted for a guy who was walking regardless and 90% of the board is ready to riot.

It's all relative to what we perceived we could haave had though. We had all the leverage to possibly get Bledsoe but ended with 2 scond rounders which is obviously a big dip. It's always good to have extra picks but when that;s all you get out of Tobias Harris / Doron Lamb turned into JJ Redick, turned into 2nds it isn't great.

[jr lucosa]

If you want to look at the two moves as a whole it looks worse sure, but in this isolated deal I just found it funny that people were actually saying "I'd rather have nothing" and/or calling the 2nd rounders "useless" when it's very rare for a team to get anything in return for a UFA. People are angry now because the name Bledsoe was leaked and everyone thinks they know how the negotiations went down, but when we are picking 31st next year simply because we decided to get involved in a trade where our 'asset' was a guy who wasn't really ours at all I wonder if people will still be saying 'I wish we didn't even have this pick.'