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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#121 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:16 pm

popper wrote:You anti-Maynor guys were just as negative when we signed Price. In a reserve role, Price turned out Ok. In a starters role, he sucked. Maynor can run an offense and is a good distributor which is what we would need if Wall goes down. Don't be surprised if we also sign Price instead of Temple.

Negative -- and correct as well. At the same time, it's true that Price had a good year for us. His best since his rookie year.

Price gets on the boards, and he doesn't turn it over. Maynor turns it over at a high clip and is a terrible rebounder for a guard. And he's coming off an ACL injury. Maybe he'll be fine, but I don't see why he was a better choice than Price, and I certainly don't see him as the #1 choice.

Another way to look at it: Price played for the Vet minimum and did well. To me, he *earned* that BAE.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#122 » by TGW » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:19 pm

Why are we not going after Bledsoe somehow...he would be a perfect 3rd guard. I want an attacker as our backup point guard...one who can score and attack the rim. Not a broke down facilitator who can't defend.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#123 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:25 pm

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Ed Wood wrote:Evenin'. The pessimist in me wants to clarify that (speaking for myself) the disappointment that accompanies a move like this isn't a matter of believing that it torpedoed the team's future prospects or that an alternative could have elevated them, it's that these things so often seem to amount to the team making moves that don't have any real chance of making a difference nor demonstrating any apparent interest or flair in maximizing its return in marginal situations like this one.

I'm sure this isn't totally fair but the moves and the players that seem to annually fill out the roster makes me feel that the team adopts that same "back up point, does it matter all that much what we have there?" mentality and the result is players who make it very clear it doesn't.

Had to plus 1 that. And I liked DSong when healthy.

Ernie thinks the back half of the team roster is just fodder, doesn't matter that much the current year, all these guys are easily replaceable, etc. He has the same view of Round 2 draft picks: "how many R2 picks play even 3-4 years in the league?" he asked rhetorically at a press conference last year.

I believe you should use the back half of your roster to build your team's future. E.g. Round 2 -- In fact, looking back, the first 8 players taken in round 2 tend to have as good careers as the last 5 taken in Round 1. With the difference that their salaries aren't guaranteed, so you can dump the bad ones quicker than the R1 bad ones.

Of course there's no reason to credit my point of view; I'm an amateur. OTOH, Ernie Grunfield is a professional who has averaged 28 wins a year over a decade as the Wizards GM. You want to tell me why anyone should credit his strategies?

This is why I and so many others boil over so quickly when he makes a move like this. It's an incompetent making his incompetence clear for the umpteenth time.

Yes, sometimes it turns out ok -- see Webster for example. But so too for the blind squirrel as they say.... The proof is in the pudding (to continue my parade of cliches!). His record tells the story.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#124 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:29 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
mhd wrote:Compare EG with Dan Duquette with the Orioles. Dan Duquette took over a laughingstock, and he's turned the team around alongside Buck SHowalter.

If Duquette was the GM of the Wizards, he'd obsess over the 12th man, 5th guard, etc. trying to improve every position as fast as he can. He constantly makes roster moves to ensure that the team has the best possible lineup.

EG is a lazy GM.

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Ditto.

Main EG skill = keeping his job.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#125 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:34 pm

fishercob wrote:The last thing I'll say for a while on the subject: maybe, just maybe, EG deserves a teeny tiny bit of the benefit of the doubt here (ducks).

Last year they identified Webster as a guy who had had injury issues and unstable roles for much of his career. They saw that they could use what he does well and hide his weaknesses. Perhaps this is a similar situation; they'll put him on the floor for 10-15 mpg with high quality wings who can shoot and defend, and maybe sneak him a little time with Nene. Maybe doing so allows him to improve on what he has been.

When a blind squirrel finds a nut we do not say the squirrel can see.

Moreover, although I like Webster a lot and he was certainly a bargain last year at $1.6m, he gets overrated here on a daily basis, and we'll have to see whether he's still a bargain at $10m/3yrs.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#126 » by payitforward » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:37 pm

montestewart wrote:I won't be surprised if Maynor surprises me...

Personally, I'll be surprised if you aren't surprised if Maynor surprises you -- and that wouldn't surprise me either.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#127 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jul 2, 2013 1:47 pm

payitforward wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
mhd wrote:EG is a lazy GM.

+1

Main EG skill = keeping his job.


So very true - lazy and good at keeping his job.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#128 » by Deeptu McPullup » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:03 pm

payitforward wrote:
montestewart wrote:I won't be surprised if Maynor surprises me...

Personally, I'll be surprised if you aren't surprised if Maynor surprises you -- and that wouldn't surprise me either.


I find these shocking disclosures.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#129 » by Mel Proctor » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:07 pm

My 12 YO son for some reason became a Milwaukee Bucks fan last season. He went "all in" on the Bucks - we even got League Pass for him so he could watch all of their games. So I had the um, "pleasure" of watching 50+ Bucks games last year. So I am uniquely qualified to tell you that Beno Udrih is awful. I don't know what is +/- was, but I'm guessing it was somewhere around -1,000,000. Whenever he came into the game, the offense ground to a halt. I have no real opinion on Maynor, but I can say that Udrih would've been a lot worse.

Oh yeah, whoever signs Monta Ellis will regret it in six months. I always thought he was a great shooter. But he missed a ton of open jumpers and 3s and is not a great finisher...
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#130 » by closg00 » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:09 pm

payitforward wrote:Ernie thinks the back half of the team roster is just fodder, doesn't matter that much the current year, all these guys are easily replaceable, etc. He has the same view of Round 2 draft picks: "how many R2 picks play even 3-4 years in the league?" he asked rhetorically at a press conference last year.

I believe you should use the back half of your roster to build your team's future. E.g. Round 2 -- In fact, looking back, the first 8 players taken in round 2 tend to have as good careers as the last 5 taken in Round 1. With the difference that their salaries aren't guaranteed, so you can dump the bad ones quicker than the R1 bad ones.

Of course there's no reason to credit my point of view; I'm an amateur. OTOH, Ernie Grunfield is a professional who has averaged 28 wins a year over a decade as the Wizards GM. You want to tell me why anyone should credit his strategies?

This is why I and so many others boil over so quickly when he makes a move like this. It's an incompetent making his incompetence clear for the umpteenth time.

Yes, sometimes it turns out ok -- see Webster for example. But so too for the blind squirrel as they say.... The proof is in the pudding (to continue my parade of cliches!). His record tells the story.


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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#131 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:11 pm

I dont mind this move. I would have preferred AJ or Beno but Maynor seems like a decent option. I have not watched him play but his reputation seems to elevate him above what his underwhelming stats suggest. Hopefully Wall will be healthy and Maynor will only be a 12 minute guy. The board reacted the same way to the Webster signing and it ended up being a great one. I will accept this move and save my Ernie hate for the Noel pass.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#132 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:13 pm

Mel Proctor wrote:My 12 YO son for some reason became a Milwaukee Bucks fan last season. He went "all in" on the Bucks - we even got League Pass for him so he could watch all of their games. So I had the um, "pleasure" of watching 50+ Bucks games last year. So I am uniquely qualified to tell you that Beno Udrih is awful. I don't know what is +/- was, but I'm guessing it was somewhere around -1,000,000. Whenever he came into the game, the offense ground to a halt. I have no real opinion on Maynor, but I can say that Udrih would've been a lot worse.

Oh yeah, whoever signs Monta Ellis will regret it in six months. I always thought he was a great shooter. But he missed a ton of open jumpers and 3s and is not a great finisher...


For some reason this is hilarious to me. Out of all the teams.. At least he isn't a bandwagoner!
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#133 » by Rafael122 » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:29 pm

I was in Dat's boat in getting Robinson, but he isn't going to come here for the bi-annual exception and Nathan strikes me as one of those dudes who can take you out of games just as easily as he would keep you in them.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#134 » by Upper Decker » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:31 pm

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fishercob wrote:The last thing I'll say for a while on the subject: maybe, just maybe, EG deserves a teeny tiny bit of the benefit of the doubt here (ducks).

Last year they identified Webster as a guy who had had injury issues and unstable roles for much of his career. They saw that they could use what he does well and hide his weaknesses. Perhaps this is a similar situation; they'll put him on the floor for 10-15 mpg with high quality wings who can shoot and defend, and maybe sneak him a little time with Nene. Maybe doing so allows him to improve on what he has been.

When a blind squirrel finds a nut we do not say the squirrel can see.

Moreover, although I like Webster a lot and he was certainly a bargain last year at $1.6m, he gets overrated here on a daily basis, and we'll have to see whether he's still a bargain at $10m/3yrs.

The difference is Webster previously demonstrated he was a quality NBA with one particular skill. Shooting. Prior to last year his low TS% was .522 and a high of .575. If healthy Webster would, at minimum, be able to provide quality deep shooting, which he did. Prior to Maynor's injury he's proved capable of nothing in the NBA. He has no discernible skill better than d-league free agents. Not only that, but Webster was signed for less $ and for fewer years, so if EG’s experiment doesn’t work out with Maynor, which I expect it won’t, he’s on the hook for 2 years.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#135 » by DCZards » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:33 pm

I would have been cool with keeping Price. Like most of you, I don't see Maynor as a major upgrade. The big difference between the two, however, is that Maynor is more of a pure PG than Price. I think he'll be far better at running the offense--he's a better passer and distributor. Maynor played decently for the Blazers the last half of the season. Portland would usually have both him and Lillard on the court together at the end of close games with Maynor running the show and setting up Lillard and his other teammates.

As for other possible free agent PGs, I'm really not impressed with most of those that are available (Beno, Robinson, etc.), and Bynum, who can be instant offense, is a SG in a small PG's body.

Jarrett Jack and Lowry would have been my first choices but I expect both of them to draw contracts in the $4-$6 mil range. Collison and Calderon are other guys who I also would have seriously considered. Others worth signing, such as Jennings and Teague, see themselves as starters and are almost certain to be retained by their current teams. But you could make the case for and against any of these guys...just like you can Maynor.

For the price, Maynor could turn out to be a very good move.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#136 » by closg00 » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:36 pm

Just wish we had taken a long hard look at Wolters this summer, Price most-likely will still be available at the end of the Summer.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#137 » by Dat2U » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:38 pm

IMO the best case scenario is that John Wall plays 82 games and Maynor never sees more than 20 minutes a night all year.

Maybe Maynor gets healthy and produces a statistically similar season to what A.J. Price did last year.

That's about as optimistic as I can get.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#138 » by DCZards » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:41 pm

TGW wrote:Why are we not going after Bledsoe somehow...he would be a perfect 3rd guard. I want an attacker as our backup point guard...one who can score and attack the rim. Not a broke down facilitator who can't defend.


I'm sure Bledsoe is looking to go somewhere where he can start. He's very good and will be looking for that big payday in the next year so I'm sure he wants to play starter minutes. Plus, I don't think the Zards have anyone (other than Beal) that the Clippers would want in a trade for Bledsoe.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#139 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:43 pm

montestewart wrote:I won't be surprised if Maynor surprises me. Last year's major additions, Okariza, Webster, Price, Nene, Temple, played much better as a group than I expected, all of them meeting or exceeding expectations. The result, a 29-53 record. Maynor could be better than Price, have the best season of his career, and still not really make any difference ti this team.

As a component of team building, keeping an eye on the junk heap is a good idea, but it's been the centerpiece of EG's strategy for too long.


EG is a fool of a GM and he's been employed as Wizards GM far too long.

Maynor might be pretty good but I guarantee you the player they traded away for a young hothead will be better.
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Re: Wizards agree to terms with Eric Maynor 

Post#140 » by Higga » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:54 pm

**** Eric Maynor and **** VCU. :)

But really, he's gotta be better than Price. Would have preferred Nate Robinson though...
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