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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3981 » by Context » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:09 am

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kneega wrote:
johnnywishbone wrote:From a post Kos made recently:


OK. Anybody want to say again how this helps for 2015? Or do you guys want to put your head in the sand and play make believe?

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There would STILL be 1.4 million on the books- ur point?! :lol:


Wow. 1.4 million. Yeah that's worth 3 draft picks. What's more likely is that you could have used Stat's contract and a 2017 draft pick next year at the trade deadline.

But keep on thinking that Bargs is going to help. Maybe you should watch that video Manhattan Project posted above.

Put ur sig where you mouth is..I'm really getting tired of this...LET'S GO!

I know Bargs will help...

And it wasn't 3 picks for 3.7 in savings... Now this argument is reaching adolescent levels...

And in this era 1.4 million can get u plenty of players...
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3982 » by makeitstop » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:16 am

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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3983 » by Knox » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:23 am

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johnnywishbone wrote:Wow. 1.4 million. Yeah that's worth 3 draft picks. What's more likely is that you could have used Stat's contract and a 2017 draft pick next year at the trade deadline.

But keep on thinking that Bargs is going to help. Maybe you should watch that video Manhattan Project posted above.


Maybe you should watch this one. Neither Camby or Novak have this capability. If we got this/something like this from him in 15-20 games, the trade is a win to me. Yes, there exist the possibility that this doesn't pan out, but all the people who vouch for the trade want you to acknowledge is that the below video is a possibility on a semi-consistent basis. THAT'S ALL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_sQsntc3Xw[/youtube]



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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3984 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:24 am

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johnnywishbone wrote:Wow. 1.4 million. Yeah that's worth 3 draft picks. What's more likely is that you could have used Stat's contract and a 2017 draft pick next year at the trade deadline.

But keep on thinking that Bargs is going to help. Maybe you should watch that video Manhattan Project posted above.


Maybe you should watch this one. Neither Camby or Novak have this capability. If we got this/something like this from him in 15-20 games, the trade is a win to me. Yes, there exist the possibility that this doesn't pan out, but all the people who vouch for the trade want you to acknowledge is that the below video is a possibility on a semi-consistent basis. THAT'S ALL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_sQsntc3Xw[/youtube]


I'll give you my 2 cents. To me it's about creating a culture of winning. You want guys who have character. To me once a guy has a reputation for being lazy he is damaged goods because he can infect the whole team.

I've watched the Knicks for a long time. And I don't want any more guys on the team who have a history of being hurt or apathetic. This guy has both.
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3985 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:26 am

kneega wrote:Put ur sig where you mouth is..I'm really getting tired of this...LET'S GO!

I know Bargs will help...

And it wasn't 3 picks for 3.7 in savings... Now this argument is reaching adolescent levels...

And in this era 1.4 million can get u plenty of players...


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Post#3986 » by Grinditout » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:27 am

Guys, posting videos to prove eiher point is silly and a waste of bandwidth.

Tbh everything tha can be said about Bargs has been. We're just repeating things now.
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3987 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:34 am

WT wrote:The Indiana Pacers have begun exploring trades of Danny Granger and Gerald Green.

With David West set to re-sign on a three-year, $36 million contract, the Pacers are trying to improve their salary situation.

One rival executive said that the Pacers were finding no takers for either player during their initial efforts.

The Pacers also reached agreement this week with C.J. Watson.


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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3988 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:36 am

Grinditout wrote:Guys, posting videos to prove eiher point is silly and a waste of bandwidth.

Tbh everything tha can be said about Bargs has been. We're just repeating things now.


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Post#3989 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:36 am

it's annoying when people try to oversimplify the trade. "we traded 3 picks for bargs". no, we didn't. it's already been explained several times by people with logic... the picks facilitated the trade, without them it doesn't happen. bargs > novak/camby by quite a substantial amount. the picks evened it out. knicks ridded themselves of 2 players on bad contracts that weren't in the plans for the future. in return they get a guy that is clearly the best player in the trade, and a guy that has the potential to help them win games. the raptors have zero incentive to make this deal if not for the picks.

if you hate the trade because you don't like bargs that's fine. i expect bargs to be decent and contribute more than novak/camby would have... and that's why i'm ok with it.
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Post#3990 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:38 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
WT wrote:The Indiana Pacers have begun exploring trades of Danny Granger and Gerald Green.

With David West set to re-sign on a three-year, $36 million contract, the Pacers are trying to improve their salary situation.

One rival executive said that the Pacers were finding no takers for either player during their initial efforts.

The Pacers also reached agreement this week with C.J. Watson.


Would you rather take a chance on Danny Granger or AB?

you think they're taking novak/camby/trash picks for granger? :roll:
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3991 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:39 am

kNicksGmen wrote:it's annoying when people try to oversimplify the trade. "we traded 3 picks for bargs". no, we didn't. it's already been explained several times by people with logic... the picks facilitated the trade, without them it doesn't happen. bargs > novak/camby by quite a substantial amount. the picks evened it out. knicks ridded themselves of 2 players on bad contracts that weren't in the plans for the future. in return they get a guy that is clearly the best player in the trade, and a guy that has the potential to help them win games. the raptors have zero incentive to make this deal if not for the picks.

if you hate the trade because you don't like bargs that's fine. i expect bargs to be decent and contribute more than novak/camby would have... and that's why i'm ok with it.


Camby's contact is not guaranteed. Novak's contract only would have taken 1.4 million of cap space in 2015.

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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3992 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:41 am

is it raining in hawaii ? what's going on here ?
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3993 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:41 am

kNicksGmen wrote:you think they're taking novak/camby/trash picks for granger? :roll:


NO TAKERS. Camby's contract is not guaranteed. It's a salary dump.
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3994 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:43 am

god shammgod wrote:is it raining in hawaii ? what's going on here ?


I'm a loser. I should just go surf already. Trying to work and it's like my brain keeps sucking me back into here.

I just can't accept what they did. :lol:
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3995 » by jp007 » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:43 am

Grinditout wrote:Guys, posting videos to prove eiher point is silly and a waste of bandwidth.

Tbh everything tha can be said about Bargs has been. We're just repeating things now.



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Post#3996 » by StephNYKurry » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:45 am

johnnywishbone wrote:I'll give you my 2 cents. To me it's about creating a culture of winning. You want guys who have character. To me once a guy has a reputation for being lazy he is damaged goods because he can infect the whole team.

I've watched the Knicks for a long time. And I don't want any more guys on the team who have a history of being hurt or apathetic. This guy has both.


1) You want to be the Spurs.

Admirable, but unrealistic. We don't have Greg Popovich and we don't have Tim Duncan. We've got Woody and Melo. That combination led us to a pretty damn good season, regardless of the finish.

2) People are getting too wrapped up in their ideas of what they think constitutes good basketball. This isn't a league of systems, ideals, or philosophies. This is a league where the best players can simply lift their team by making more plays than the lesser talented guys. Bargnani is a talented SOB and his talent (as I've said before) is worth the risk. We need an All-Star caliber addition to this team and the even the slightest of possibilities that he could be one, makes this a solid move.

3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.

Bargs won't be asked to be a leader here. He'll be asked to pull his weight and that shift in responsibility could pay dividends.

I understand where you're coming from. I just don't think you're being the most practical.
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Post#3997 » by NYKinMIA » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:45 am

I would like to humbly suggest that this thread remain open until Opening Day.

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Post#3998 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:45 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:it's annoying when people try to oversimplify the trade. "we traded 3 picks for bargs". no, we didn't. it's already been explained several times by people with logic... the picks facilitated the trade, without them it doesn't happen. bargs > novak/camby by quite a substantial amount. the picks evened it out. knicks ridded themselves of 2 players on bad contracts that weren't in the plans for the future. in return they get a guy that is clearly the best player in the trade, and a guy that has the potential to help them win games. the raptors have zero incentive to make this deal if not for the picks.

if you hate the trade because you don't like bargs that's fine. i expect bargs to be decent and contribute more than novak/camby would have... and that's why i'm ok with it.


Camby's contact is not guaranteed. Novak's contract only would have taken 1.4 million of cap space in 2015.

Stop already.

false and false. camby's deal is fully guaranteed this year and partially guaranteed next year.

your 1.4 mil number is based upon cutting novak and using the stretch provision which means we're spending money for a guy that isn't gonna play/and/or even be on the team for several years. instead by adding a few picks of little value, the knicks produced a player far superior to novak nd camby that fits with melo/tyson and a contract that coincides with melo/stat/tyson.

try harder next time. if you hate bargs that's fine. misrepresenting the truth to fit your agenda isn't.
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#3999 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:48 am

StephNYKurry wrote:
johnnywishbone wrote:I'll give you my 2 cents. To me it's about creating a culture of winning. You want guys who have character. To me once a guy has a reputation for being lazy he is damaged goods because he can infect the whole team.

I've watched the Knicks for a long time. And I don't want any more guys on the team who have a history of being hurt or apathetic. This guy has both.


1) You want to be the Spurs.

Admirable, but unrealistic. We don't have Greg Popovich and we don't have Tim Duncan. We've got Woody and Melo. That combination led us to a pretty damn good season, regardless of the finish.

2) People are getting too wrapped up in their ideas of what they think constitutes good basketball. This isn't a league of systems, ideals, or philosophies. This is a league where the best players can simply lift their team by making more plays than the lesser talented guys. Bargnani is a talented SOB and his talent (as I've said before) is worth the risk. We need an All-Star caliber addition to this team and the even the slightest of possibilities that he could be one, makes this a solid move.

3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.

Bargs won't be asked to be a leader here. He'll be asked to pull his weight and that shift in responsibility could pay dividends.

I understand where you're coming from. I just don't think you're being the most practical.


Please don't compare Bargnani to all time greats like Chris Webber and Latrell.

I hope I'm wrong but you are going to kill on this guy.
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Re: BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani 

Post#4000 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:48 am

johnnywishbone wrote:
god shammgod wrote:is it raining in hawaii ? what's going on here ?


I'm a loser. I should just go surf already. Trying to work and it's like my brain keeps sucking me back into here.

I just can't accept what they did. :lol:


i'm not thrilled either. and i feel your earlier point. i hate guys who are question marks. if only he cared more he'd be great and so forth. and maybe the new situation will inspire him. i just don't know how often that works.

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