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TDJacksonville wrote:yes. we have no need for Collison whos strictly a Backup PF on a pretty Bad Deal who can not play defenseKrazySixersD wrote:Would an Afflalo + 2nd rounder for Jeremy Lamb/Nick Collison be too far fetched?
MagicFan41 wrote:Bobby Ray wrote:From what i hear the cba doesn't start to hit teams hard until this coming season. supposedly it's going to be the death of the middle class deals. When i think about it the owners really kicked the player's ass in this last negotiation, they basically cut out the middle class so the players that would usually fill up that space is probably going to get less money going forward
I think this is a fallacy, the death of the middle class deal. You aren't just going to get max guys and small contract guys. That's not how free markets work. If a guy is worth about $8-10 a yr, that's prob about what they'll get. The free market will work itself out. There aren't enough max guys to go around for every team and many players are worth more than $5m/yr. So of course you'll see middle deals. Looks at all the deals this summer already offered in that range. Evans, Martin, Iggy, West, Splitter etc etc. Plus you can't say that it's cuz the penalties haven't kicked in. They basically start kicking in next summer and these guys are getting 4-5 yr offers this summer. So of course the penalties are taken into account I'm these offers.
The new collective bargaining agreement that was born out of last year’s lockout will impose much stiffer penalties for teams that exceed the salary cap. Teams started bracing for it ever since play resumed on Christmas Day in 2011, and the reckoning is just around the corner. Owners are keeping one eye on the court and the other on their wallets.
“Every team is watching what it can do and how it can improve its team in connection with the much higher luxury tax,” Commissioner David Stern said just before the All-Star break.
The new CBA may not be responsible just for slowing down the amount of activity around the trade deadline. The total number of players traded in the week leading up to the deadline was 45 in 2010 and 49 in 2011, according to STATS LLC. Last year, that number dipped to 27. Not one player has been dealt yet this week.
Under the previous agreement, if a team exceeded the luxury tax level by $4 million, it paid an additional $4 million in tax penalties. If it went over by $14 million, it paid $14 million in penalties.
Next season, because of various increases in penalties, that $4 million will cost a team $6 million. And the team that goes over by $14 million will be hit with a $26.25 million bill.
To make matters worse, any team that exceeds the cap “apron” — which is $4 million over the existing luxury tax level — is not allowed to bring in a player in a sign-and-trade deal. That team also will only be able to offer a three-year mid-level exception deal to a free agent rather than the four-year exception that teams under the apron can offer, putting them at a bargaining disadvantage on the open market.
And to top it all off, any team that has exceeded the cap in three of the previous four seasons starting in 2014-15 will be subject to “repeater rates,” which increase the penalties even further.
“Any well-managed team is going to think about the future consequences of their roster management,” Stern said.
A reduction of $1.5 Million does not seem significant. But multiply that amount by the 30 teams in the NBA. $45 Million is a significant number which will reduce the amount received by free agents. Not for Dwight Howard and Chris Paul, and not players who will be signing for close to the minimum. Everyone else, the "middle class" of the NBA. Role players throughout the league will now face even more difficult decisions about how much money they are willing to leave "on the table" in order to sign with a contender.
tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote:yes. we have no need for Collison whos strictly a Backup PF on a pretty Bad Deal who can not play defenseKrazySixersD wrote:Would an Afflalo + 2nd rounder for Jeremy Lamb/Nick Collison be too far fetched?
bad deal? he makes like $2.2m a year. as a hustle PF/C, that is great value.
TDJacksonville wrote:tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote: yes. we have no need for Collison whos strictly a Backup PF on a pretty Bad Deal who can not play defense
bad deal? he makes like $2.2m a year. as a hustle PF/C, that is great value.
its a **** deal cuz it takes away PT from all our young bigs who need PT. were trying to tank this year and acquiring another BBD isnt ideal for the team.
tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote:tiderulz wrote:
bad deal? he makes like $2.2m a year. as a hustle PF/C, that is great value.
its a **** deal cuz it takes away PT from all our young bigs who need PT. were trying to tank this year and acquiring another BBD isnt ideal for the team.
our young bigs? all 2 of them (Quinn and Nicholson). Then just trade him to someone that needs a cheap big for a pick.
arkknight1988 wrote:Don't like the Kmart signing for the wolves. Reminds me of the Jrich deal Otis handed out.
Bobby Ray wrote:Yeah now is not the time to be bringing in guys to get in the way of the young guys, we have enough of those already with Afflack and BBD. No need to stunt our youth's growth, they need all the on-court time they can get to acclimate themselves to the rigors of the NBA for a full 82, for some of the guys a Full 82 playing Starters Minutes that's a task. First we need to find out where are we going with the lineups. For some reason i think JV is locked into playing Tobias and Harkless together or he wants to play them together but i don't know where BBD would fit into that. Me personally? he just makes basketball really hard to watch at times, no more often than not he does. Bench him
meatwad4343 wrote:Bobby Ray wrote:Nothing wrong with a little salt but considering where we are in the rebuild it's not defcon 4, we can afford to go with the flow a little bit. We make them an offer they don't bite, we keep it moving that simple to me. It's not like Bledsoe is a can't miss kind of guy. He has a lot of untapped potential but the way i see it it's going to take some time for him to put it all together on a consistent basis.
Dude was the 18th pick in a draft where only like 3-4 guys in that whole draft is considered good depending on who you ask. That being said the book is still being written on Bledsoe so maybe down the line he does get it together but for me i can't help but feel like he's one of those Nick young's, Javale McGee's and J.R Smith's of the NBA. All the talent you can want but for some reason can't take that next step, should be a lot better than they currently are.
i would have done it just get affalalo off the roster. at this point all he's doing is taking minutes away from the young guys and adding extra wins in a year we should be tanking. i'm guessing we'll move him for a first and an expiring from a contender around the deadline if we can't dump him before the season.
rcklsscognition wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsK-ZoL9sY#at=157[/youtube]
This kid's body control and ball handling are unbelievable. Lebron didn't have that type of control early on, he is in so much control of everything it's scary.
backasswards wrote:jezzer45 wrote:i think henny and crew have their reasons for letting bledsoe go. i think they were hesitant of trading a quality starting 2 guard for a backup pg. i do think bledsoe will be good for years but he might command some serious dollars if he has a breakout year.
where does this leave marshall or dragic?
Marshall is terrible.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:backasswards wrote:jezzer45 wrote:i think henny and crew have their reasons for letting bledsoe go. i think they were hesitant of trading a quality starting 2 guard for a backup pg. i do think bledsoe will be good for years but he might command some serious dollars if he has a breakout year.
where does this leave marshall or dragic?
Marshall is terrible.
Oh Right....The last "pass first point guard" that was supposed to better than Jameer.
