Ford: 7 teams prepared to tank for wiggins

arifgokcen · Post #21 » by **arifgokcen** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:39 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Boneman2 wrote:In other news, the Lakers are already contemplating signing Wiggins in 2017.

I'm guessing the team will match the offer.

Was going to say this.Rookie deals are 2 years guarenteed additional 2 years team option and 1 year qualifying offer

Post #22 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:39 pm

nyc6 wrote:http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2224/andrew-wiggins

It still boggles my mind how teams like Cleveland, Detriot, Washington, Sacramento and New Orleans have no plans to make this list. Like I said in my other thread it's likely because grant, dumars and Grunfeld are all on the hot seat.

Wizards should have been a playoff team last year but they were not healthy and were out of it when they started the season 4-28. They're at best a 6th seed in the East this upcoming season, unless the injury bug strikes them again.

Post #23 » by **QRich3** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:44 pm

In the end it's not gonna be that good of a season to tank, cause everybody's gonna be doing it and the competition (LOL) is gonna be really tough to beat.

Clearly, there are 5 teams (BOS, PHI, PHX, ORL, CHA) whose main goal for the season is gonna be to collect assets, improve their value, and experiment as much as possible for the future, while trying not to earn many wins doing it. You can agree that it's a good strategy or not, but it's what they're gonna do from day 1 of training camp. There's another 5 teams (ATL, UTA, TOR, POR, SAC) whose intentions are not yet completely clear but it's likely they could join them. and then you have another 5 teams (MIL, DET, CLE, MIN, NOP) who are gonna try to compete at the beggining of the year, but if things don't go well and it's looking like they are gonna be out of the playoffs will fully join the tank army.

That's half the teams in the league right there. That means over half the games next season are gonna be painful to watch. Maybe the players will be giving effort to win but the organization around them is gonna do it's best not to put them in a good postion to get those wins.

The lottery is a problem that is gonna have to be adressed some time in the NBA, hopefully next season is a wake up call.

Durant Durant · Post #24 » by **Durant Durant** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:45 pm

[SJJ] wrote:For the love of God I hope that the Raptors join this list sooner rather than later.

I agree. hope the basketball gods smile at that wretched franchise and gift them with their native son (Wiggins).

Post #25 » by **Froob** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:47 pm

at some point teams like detroit, washington, charlotte and Sac are going to have to stop tanking (if they were, some.of these teams just suck) and try to compete.

Post #26 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 2:48 pm

QRich3 wrote:In the end it's not gonna be that good of a season to tank, cause everybody's gonna be doing it and the competition (LOL) is gonna be really tough to beat.

Clearly, there are 5 teams (BOS, PHI, PHX, ORL, CHA) whose main goal for the season is gonna be to collect assets, improve their value, and experiment as much as possible for the future, while trying not to earn many wins doing it. You can agree that it's a good strategy or not, but it's what they're gonna do from day 1 of training camp. There's another 5 teams (ATL, UTA, TOR, POR, SAC) whose intentions are not yet completely clear but it's likely they could join them. and then you have another 5 teams (MIL, DET, CLE, MIN, NOP) who are gonna try to compete at the beggining of the year, but if things don't go well and it's looking like they are gonna be out of the playoffs will fully join the tank army.

That's half the teams in the league right there. That means over half the games next season are gonna be painful to watch. Maybe the players will be giving effort to win but the organization around them is gonna do it's best not to put them in a good postion to get those wins.

The lottery is a problem that is gonna have to be adressed some time in the NBA, hopefully next season is a wake up call.

Yes, I've been thinking this next year will be the time where we have the most 60+ win teams ever. I wouldn't be surprised if he had 5-8 teams with over 60 with as many teams trying to tank as we have.

EricAnderson · Post #27 » by **EricAnderson** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:03 pm

Bucks are too stupid to tank..theyre looking to overpay Korver Jr Smith and Jennings to make a run at the 8 seed like they always do and theyll end up with like the 10th or 11th pick :lol:

EricAnderson · Post #28 » by **EricAnderson** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:07 pm

mysticbb wrote:
nyc6 wrote:Ford doesn't literally mean wiggins or bust. #5 pick next year is arguably on par with #1 pick this year

Great, a team gets a chance at an undersized forward. Awesome! Seriously, look through all the drafts and you will realize that this hardly as successful as you think. Then we add that the ownership must agree to such a strategy in the first place and you may realize that your way of thinking about it has huge flaws.

I tried to explain it to you in the other thread, I doubt explaining it again will lead to anything. So, you may want to keep your believe, but contrarily to your belief that is hardly something a lot of teams can or should engage into. The odds of getting out of that season with no better than future than with a different strategy is actually higher than the odds of getting that much needed franchise player via draft.

For a small market team who cant get a superstar to sign there getting lucky in the lotto is their only real chance at a superstar

Obviosuly its not a fullroof plan by any stretch but its their only shot

Zion Wembanyama · Post #29 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:08 pm

I want Wiggins to be a Charlotte Hornet, but if they make the playoffs..lol..I'd like him to go to PDX or MIL.

Kilo · Post #30 » by **Kilo** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:10 pm

And Shabazz Muhammed would have been #1 or #2 last year as a high schooler.

And regarding the Pistons - they don't tank. They win meaningless games the last two weeks of the season every year and costs them draft spots. This year it really burned as we lost out on McLemore by one spot.

CoachKobe · Post #31 » by **CoachKobe** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:11 pm

doesn't matter if it's 6 or 7 or 8. everybody knows that there'll be a lot of tanking next season.
1/4 of all teams gonna tank, probably 1/3 of the whole EC.
but media's gonna be all over miami's next winning streak - against d-league teams.
this league is just horrible.

unpossibl1 · Post #32 » by **unpossibl1** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:16 pm

You don't have to be Chad Ford or have sources in order to see that a ton of teams are going to tank next season. When the Celtics go into tank mode you know it's going to be a race for the bottom. Wiggins isn't the only prospect and the new CBA makes it nearly essentially that teams are built through the draft. 1st round picks have way more value than they used to, and if you can get a young talent locked into a rookie deal for 5 years then you are golden.

With the way all of the "stars" of this generation want to team up all it takes is getting one guy to set yourself up to win in the future. Look at the Clippers. They botched draft pick after draft pick for decades, were the laughingstock of the league, then they lucked into Griffin in the draft, which made CP3 give the ok to be traded there (after Stern screwed the Lakers), which put them in the position they are in today.

If you find one star in the draft you can change your franchise for the next 10 years. So yeah, I fully expect a lot of teams (more than 7) to tank hard this year. They won't openly say it, but the new CBA makes it even more important that teams get really bad in order to eventually get good.

nyc6 · Post #33 » by **nyc6** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:32 pm

CoachKobe wrote:doesn't matter if it's 6 or 7 or 8. everybody knows that there'll be a lot of tanking next season.
1/4 of all teams gonna tank, probably 1/3 of the whole EC.
but media's gonna be all over miami's next winning streak - against d-league teams.
this league is just horrible.

There is NFL if you want to see 90% of teams fighting to make playoffs and 100% of teams that make playoffs confident they can advance to at least the 2nd round

The NBA is just a different product. Ever since Miami formed that squad, other teams will need to be patient. Even OKc was unable to complete the job So it's not easy

DCsOwn · Post #34 » by **DCsOwn** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:37 pm

Ive watched all of these kids play myriad times, and while everyone talks about how great the draft in 2014 is (and it is a draft deep with quality players with a supernova at the top of it) but to me, there are only two potential franchise altering players in it, Wiggins and Randle, and that's if Randle isnt the 6'8 PF some people think he is. Marcus Smart, the Harrison twins, Jabari Parker, Aaron Gordon etc. aren't transcendant talents that teams need to tank for. There are players of their caliber in every draft, this past one included. I'd take Beal over either Harrison, I'd take Barnes over Jabari Parker, I'd take Anthony Davis over Gordon, I'd take Oladipo over Smart etc. It's not the class that everyone thinks it's going to be in terms of elite talent. There are two super special kids in it, and a bunch of guys that project to be quality, above average NBA players with perhaps allstar potential should everything break right for them.

If I'm a team like the Wizards I'm not getting rid of a pg with superstar potential thats on the brink of figuring it all out, a sg with allstar potential, a promising sf prospect etc. for the minuscule chance that I get one of those two kids (Wiggins or Randle). In not even sure that I'd trade those three straight up for Wiggins (although Im sure that I would after deliberation), and I damn sure wouldn't do it for Randle.

Liver_Pooty · Post #35 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:37 pm

bigbadstevenson wrote:If the Bobcats are trying to get Al Jefferson, they might be trying to make the playoffs. They have what should be a half-decent starting lineup, with Walker, Jeff Taylor, Gilchrist, Zeller, and whoever. If that's Jefferson, they're not a dreadful team.

I could see them trying (and probably failing) to make the playoffs. The Bucks might make it, too. They don't have Reddick, but Henson and Sanders should be improved. If little else changes, they could be in the hunt again. Maybe they feel like they can get the 6th seed and challenge New York or somebody.

The Raptors could go either way, too.

Bobcats were so bad last year that they still won't sniff the playoffs. They will be improved though.

mct · Post #36 » by **mct** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:38 pm

I'm starting to really hate the lottery.

It's ironic that a mechanism designed to help bad teams get better in reality contributes to the disparity.

We'd get to watch a lot better basketball if being a .500 team wasn't such a hopeless situation.

Mich3006 · Post #37 » by **Mich3006** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:38 pm

He will play in the East, that's for sure!!

sambenno · Post #38 » by **sambenno** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:42 pm

Exum!

twinthunder3 · Post #39 » by **twinthunder3** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:47 pm

Cavs can't afford to tank, since they've been tanking already & if they continue, they risk losing Kyrie Irving even more.

illiance · Post #40 » by **illiance** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:50 pm

Can we please fix the lottery already? Give the bottom 20 records an equal shot at winning the lottery. There, problem solved, no more treadmilling. Teams can actually try to be respectable without worrying about ping pong balls. Teams can try to make the playoffs without being punished. Does it really matter if the Hornets or the Hawks get the top pick? They are both mediocre/bad but one team is actually trying to win games while the other signs awful players to intentionally lose before the season starts.