What do you guys think about Reggie Evans? How vital is he?

[nycefnl]

I want to turn the TV off every time his name or sight comes up.

[Rollydog]

And why give up Bayless for either of those guys? Worth more. Maybe Mirza would interest them for whatever reason. But I dont see them wanting Terry.

Not Terry... Evans, Toko, + Plumlee maybe

This is the kind of package we need to put together. With Blatche on board, Plumlee is pretty much obsolete for the immediate future and beyond...

[PetroNet]

And why give up Bayless for either of those guys? Worth more. Maybe Mirza would interest them for whatever reason. But I dont see them wanting Terry.

Not Terry... Evans, Toko, + Plumlee maybe

This is the kind of package we need to put together. With Blatche on board, Plumlee is pretty much obsolete for the immediate future and beyond...

Toko has zero value to any team in the league. other then adding 500k in salary, he doesnt help.

The Grizz have 4 quality bigs in their rotation. evans and plumlee do nothing for them.

[DarkXaero]

And why give up Bayless for either of those guys? Worth more. Maybe Mirza would interest them for whatever reason. But I dont see them wanting Terry.

Not Terry... Evans, Toko, + Plumlee maybe

This is the kind of package we need to put together. With Blatche on board, Plumlee is pretty much obsolete for the immediate future and beyond...

Toko has zero value to any team in the league. other then adding 500k in salary, he doesnt help.

Actually, Nets got the second most calls about Toko (after Mirza) at the last tradeline, so obviously you're wrong again (as usual).

[PetroNet]

Actually, Nets got the second most calls about Toko (after Mirza) at the last tradeline, so obviously you're wrong again (as usual).

yawn...

he was wanted so badly by other teams that they offered nothing for him... right. oh, and being our second highest coveted player isnt saying much for a team with ntohing of value to trade besides large contracts and c level prospects...

in fact, Toko's value was so high that a celtics team looking to blow it up, rebuild, and add picks and young talent prefered kris joseph in the deal

get a clue. players like toko are a dime a dozen. you can find wings who do dont defend or shoot in the 40's and 50's of every draft

[Keith Van Horn]

Trade Reggie for Barea.


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[NyCeEvO]

Trade Reggie for Barea.


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No. Barea isn't good at all.

We need someone who can fill in the starter slot on occasion (when D-Will misses a few games this season) and simply maintain order.

Barea doesn't have the ability to do that whatsoever.

[Keith Van Horn]

Can we do a s&t with Atlanta for Devin Harris?


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[vincecarter4pres]

If we got Bayless...I would do the happy dance. I think you would join me?

Meh, he's nothing special in my book. Dime a dozen athletic undersized for the 2 combo guard really, IMHO.

[vincecarter4pres]

Can we do a s&t with Atlanta for Devin Harris?


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Can't receive players in a S&T.

[SpeedyG]

I'm starting to think that we MAY not need a backup PG other than Taylor.

The pickings are not very good, and there's better value at other positions IMO. But why not a backup PG? I think I tend to go back to what Kidd said that he wants to run an offense that can be initiated by any of the wing players. He cited that example with Deron/JJ/Crash, but Taylor/JT/Toko (if they are our main backups) can handle the rock to bring it upcourt and initiate the offense (if that is what Kidd has in mind)

[NyCeEvO]

I'm starting to think that we MAY not need a backup PG other than Taylor.

The pickings are not very good, and there's better value at other positions IMO. But why not a backup PG? I think I tend to go back to what Kidd said that he wants to run an offense that can be initiated by any of the wing players. He cited that example with Deron/JJ/Crash, but Taylor/JT/Toko (if they are our main backups) can handle the rock to bring it upcourt and initiate the offense (if that is what Kidd has in mind)

Kidd is the one that wants to have a veteran PG over TT.

If we're bringing the ball upcourt and looking to establish early offense, you need guys with a somewhat high BBIQ that you can trust to find the right lanes and to apply pressure in the right spots on the floor against the defense. You can't be wreckless and you have to make good decisions with the ball at a somewhat high rate. I don't think TT fits the bill for what Kidd wants.

[SpeedyG]

I'm starting to think that we MAY not need a backup PG other than Taylor.

The pickings are not very good, and there's better value at other positions IMO. But why not a backup PG? I think I tend to go back to what Kidd said that he wants to run an offense that can be initiated by any of the wing players. He cited that example with Deron/JJ/Crash, but Taylor/JT/Toko (if they are our main backups) can handle the rock to bring it upcourt and initiate the offense (if that is what Kidd has in mind)

Kidd is the one that wants to have a veteran PG over TT.

If we're bringing the ball upcourt and looking to establish early offense, you need guys with a somewhat high BBIQ that you can trust to find the right lanes and to apply pressure in the right spots on the floor against the defense. You can't be wreckless and you have to make good decisions with the ball at a somewhat high rate. I don't think TT fits the bill for what Kidd wants.

That is if we have a traditional offense. BUT...if he's planning an offense that can be initiated by anyone, then Terry is more than adequate enough for that role.

[DarkXaero]

Actually, Nets got the second most calls about Toko (after Mirza) at the last tradeline, so obviously you're wrong again (as usual).

yawn...

he was wanted so badly by other teams that they offered nothing for him... right. oh, and being our second highest coveted player isnt saying much for a team with ntohing of value to trade besides large contracts and c level prospects...

in fact, Toko's value was so high that a celtics team looking to blow it up, rebuild, and add picks and young talent prefered kris joseph in the deal

get a clue. players like toko are a dime a dozen. you can find wings who do dont defend or shoot in the 40's and 50's of every draft

We don't know what teams offered for Toko, but it couldn't have been much since he's low salary 2nd round pick. Point is that teams actually ASKED for you, contrary to what you're saying. We don't know what happened in the Celtics trade negotiations. It's not impossible to think that Billy King didn't want to give up Toko in the trade, like he didn't want to give up Marshon in the JJ trade. Celtics included Kris Joseph because his contract isn't guaranteed.

Maybe you should get a clue and actually find out what Toko can do? Because defense certainly isn't one of his weaknesses. Time and time again, you have a tendency to say incredibly stupid ****. Your trade proposal on the T&T board was embarrassingly bad. You turned out to be dead wrong about Blatche but never ate crow for it. You kept bashing the Pacers and refused to be wrong about that too, even after they took the champions Miami to 7 games in the ECF. Let's face it, you're one of the worst posters we have here with all the ridiculously stupid stuff you say.

[PetroNet]

Actually, Nets got the second most calls about Toko (after Mirza) at the last tradeline, so obviously you're wrong again (as usual).

yawn...

he was wanted so badly by other teams that they offered nothing for him... right. oh, and being our second highest coveted player isnt saying much for a team with ntohing of value to trade besides large contracts and c level prospects...

in fact, Toko's value was so high that a celtics team looking to blow it up, rebuild, and add picks and young talent prefered kris joseph in the deal

get a clue. players like toko are a dime a dozen. you can find wings who do dont defend or shoot in the 40's and 50's of every draft

We don't know what teams offered for Toko, but it couldn't have been much since he's low salary 2nd round pick. Point is that teams actually ASKED for you, contrary to what you're saying. We don't know what happened in the Celtics trade negotiations. It's not impossible to think that Billy King didn't want to give up Toko in the trade, like he didn't want to give up Marshon in the JJ trade. Celtics included Kris Joseph because his contract isn't guaranteed.

Maybe you should get a clue and actually find out what Toko can do? Because defense certainly isn't one of his weaknesses. Time and time again, you have a tendency to say incredibly stupid ****. Your trade proposal on the T&T board was embarrassingly bad. You turned out to be dead wrong about Blatche but never ate crow for it. You kept bashing the Pacers and refused to be wrong about that too, even after they took the champions Miami to 7 games in the ECF. Let's face it, you're one of the worst posters we have here with all the ridiculously stupid stuff you say.

how was i wrong on the pacers? they barely held on to the 3 seed by missing their final game and we spanked them all 3 times. just because they match up well with miami doesnt make them a great team. they are the biggest fraud team in basketball.

as far as toko goes... umm no, billy king isnt holding up a KG trade cause of toko. if boston wanted him, he would be there. lets not pretend like king is some shrewd negotiator or something. No one wants Toko. the likely reason his name is brought up, is because it was one of the few things we could offer.

and no, he isnt a decent defender. defense is easily his biggest weakeness. he cant gaurd either wing spot. in his little time he was awful defensively(106 dRTG, 0.1 dws, opponents PER of 27.3) limited minutes, sure... but the guy is a complete turnstyle.

Toko isnt a good player. and he has an incredibly low ceiling. he has no value to us or pretty much any team, which is why he will again be in springfield or in a suit on the end of a bench

[DarkXaero]

The pacers made the CONFERENCE FINALS and took the eventual champions to 7 games. We couldn't even get past the 1st round against a depleted Bulls team. Instead of giving them some credit, you keep calling them a fraud. I don't know how the biggest fraud in basketball can scam their way to the conference finals, and give a superteam an incredibly tough matchup. This point of view alone gives you no credibility whatsoever. Then there are all the other stupid things you say that you are so wrong about.

Using any stats from like 90 minutes of playing time, most of which was irrevelant GARBAGE TIME is another example of your stupidity.

[enetric]

I'm starting to think that we MAY not need a backup PG other than Taylor.

The pickings are not very good, and there's better value at other positions IMO. But why not a backup PG? I think I tend to go back to what Kidd said that he wants to run an offense that can be initiated by any of the wing players. He cited that example with Deron/JJ/Crash, but Taylor/JT/Toko (if they are our main backups) can handle the rock to bring it upcourt and initiate the offense (if that is what Kidd has in mind)

Speedy, is it possible a lot what Kidd said on draft was specific to the personnel we had before the trade?

Like...I think maybe he was looking for a way to inspire more confidence in Crash. TO make the guy who said over and over again...I feel lost I dont know what my role is...that hey...we will do more to get you involved.

Not saying that having Pierce doesnt make it easier to let other bring up the ball. Just saying that its possible he was making a comment or set of comments specific to how he saw the roster that day.

What do you think?

[enetric]

And why give up Bayless for either of those guys? Worth more. Maybe Mirza would interest them for whatever reason. But I dont see them wanting Terry.

yea i dont see it... mirza would be a 5th big for them. you dont give up your backup pg for a 5th big.

i cant see anything we could give them that would make it worthwhile for them

True. I didnt really mean for fit..I was thinking more if they didnt want Bayless to opt in and wanted more of a prospect type regardless of position. But I think even then...they could do better.

[enetric]

And why give up Bayless for either of those guys? Worth more. Maybe Mirza would interest them for whatever reason. But I dont see them wanting Terry.

Not Terry... Evans, Toko, + Plumlee maybe

This is the kind of package we need to put together. With Blatche on board, Plumlee is pretty much obsolete for the immediate future and beyond...

On a 15 man roster...I like the idea of having 3 centers and 3 PG's. Dont expect them all to be in the healthy rotation. But at some point you may be glad to have them.

And at this point with Korver gone...I really dont want to trade Jet. He is severely declined...but a wide open set shot>? He should hit enough of those when someone else gets double teamed.

[enetric]

If we got Bayless...I would do the happy dance. I think you would join me?

Meh, he's nothing special in my book. Dime a dozen athletic undersized for the 2 combo guard really, IMHO.

I dont know. He shows flashes at times. I like him. Not as much as on draft day...but I like him!