Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

[sacking123]

I like Iggy too much to see him play for Sacramento.


I wish Cousins, Evans and every other talent would be gone from that mayhem. Horrible franchise.

You do realise the Kings were sold right? Or have you been living under a rock?
The new regime has done brilliantly well so far, albeit in only a short time with new management and new coaching staff that is dedicated to defence and development, oh and the Kings are 1st in new ticket sales in the NBA so if that is a horrible franchise by your definition that's fine, but what I, and a lot of Kings fans can see is a franchise that has one of the brightest futures with a great ownership group that is determined to bring the Kings to the top.

Oh were the Kings sold, oh really? Thanks for the heads up. I really didn't know, since it was in the news 24/7 for the past few months.


Anyways, they still haven't played 1 single game so tell me how they are doing so well. And who cares if they are 1st in ticket sales, they are still not a prime destination since their team is so messed up. If I was Iggy I'd rather join the Nuggets or Detroit since they got some decent players.


The Orlando Magic has a bright future, the Kings have to retool A LOT.

So when the Kings were dominant during the CWebb Days they must have been a mess then as well right? Because as you say "they are still not a prime destination since their team is so messed up" that is your measurement of it, not mine or anyone else's. because Sacramento hasn't been a prime destination.
And this is the off season, nobody has played a game have they?
But as a fan, and a basketball enthusiast, I can put behind me the previous ownership groups incompetence, in many areas, and quite clearly and easily see that this is anything but a "horrible franchise"
The minute Viveke Ranadive that was the case.

[MKG35]

You are talking as a Kings fan, so I'm going to let it slide.

Future wise, the Nuggets and Detroit Pistons look to be a better fit for Iggy when looking at the roster and looking at a playoff spot. That's the simple truth.

Sacramento is far away from getting into the playoffs, there are too many holes in that roster. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

[The Rebel]

You are talking as a Kings fan, so I'm going to let it slide.

Future wise, the Nuggets and Detroit Pistons look to be a better fit for Iggy when looking at the roster and looking at a playoff spot. That's the simple truth.

Sacramento is far away from getting into the playoffs, there are too many holes in that roster. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

The only ways to fill holes on a roster is to actually sign guys.


That being said, it just seems stupid to offer a contract to a guy then withdraw the offer by the end of the day. To me you are telling free agents that they do not get a chance to even think about the offer, and let's be real here, the only free agent in the top 2 or 3 tiers that seems to be willing to talk to the Kings this year was Iggy, and now they do this? How many free agents are going to even bother talking to them now?

Not to mention the relationship with Cousins, the guy has repeatedly said he wants to win, cannot handle all the losing, and you have the guy you are reportedly targeting as your top target considering your offer, and then you withdraw the offer?

Questionable move at best, personally I think it is a terrible way to start off as a new front office and ownership group as it will not win them any favors from agents or players.

[tidho]

Offer is pulled - I love that!

If a player doesn't jump all over money like that they must not want to be there. Move on.

[sacking123]

You are talking as a Kings fan, so I'm going to let it slide.

Future wise, the Nuggets and Detroit Pistons look to be a better fit for Iggy when looking at the roster and looking at a playoff spot. That's the simple truth.

Sacramento is far away from getting into the playoffs, there are too many holes in that roster. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

And that is fair enough, really I would be saying it about other franchises as well, I just don't get all the bashing of players/franchises that go on around here.
Also what you initially said was about the franchise, not he roster. If you had of just said it is a mess of a roster I wouldn't have agreed with you totally but I would certainly know where you are coming from.
It isn't a playoff roster at the minute, far from it, but it can happen with a couple of crucial signings/trades, I am talking more about fit wise rather than just going out and signing/trading for an all star level talent. Far too many selfish players on the roster and few too many players that want to play their role. I can count probably 1 and that is Hayes, maybe JT as well.

[sacking123]

You are talking as a Kings fan, so I'm going to let it slide.

Future wise, the Nuggets and Detroit Pistons look to be a better fit for Iggy when looking at the roster and looking at a playoff spot. That's the simple truth.

Sacramento is far away from getting into the playoffs, there are too many holes in that roster. I just don't see it happening any time soon.

The only ways to fill holes on a roster is to actually sign guys.


That being said, it just seems stupid to offer a contract to a guy then withdraw the offer by the end of the day. To me you are telling free agents that they do not get a chance to even think about the offer, and let's be real here, the only free agent in the top 2 or 3 tiers that seems to be willing to talk to the Kings this year was Iggy, and now they do this? How many free agents are going to even bother talking to them now?

Not to mention the relationship with Cousins, the guy has repeatedly said he wants to win, cannot handle all the losing, and you have the guy you are reportedly targeting as your top target considering your offer, and then you withdraw the offer?

Questionable move at best, personally I think it is a terrible way to start off as a new front office and ownership group as it will not win them any favors from agents or players.

I am hoping there was more to it than just offering him the contract and then pulling it so quickly. I also hope that the basketball world find out what actually happened with the offer, but I doubt it ever will come out.

[matt6715]

I'm drawing a blank on S&T rules, but would something like this work?

Nuggets S&T Iguodala 4 yrs/52 mil

Mavs S&T Mayo and package with Shawn Marion


Frankly I think the Nuggets make out like bandits, but if the Mavs miss out on Dwight or he pushes them to add another "star", maybe Iggy could fit the bill. That being said, I feel ike this trade wouldn't be legal

[The Rebel]

I'm drawing a blank on S&T rules, but would something like this work?

Nuggets S&T Iguodala 4 yrs/52 mil

Mavs S&T Mayo and package with Shawn Marion


Frankly I think the Nuggets make out like bandits, but if the Mavs miss out on Dwight or he pushes them to add another "star", maybe Iggy could fit the bill. That being said, I feel ike this trade wouldn't be legal

Why would the nuggets do that? Mayo is not all that good, and Marion is a SF/PF not a guy they really need considering they already have a good starting SF and a starter quality 3/4 off the bench, along with 2 small forwards on the roster they want to develop, and just traded for another backup PF.

[matt6715]

I'm drawing a blank on S&T rules, but would something like this work?

Nuggets S&T Iguodala 4 yrs/52 mil

Mavs S&T Mayo and package with Shawn Marion


Frankly I think the Nuggets make out like bandits, but if the Mavs miss out on Dwight or he pushes them to add another "star", maybe Iggy could fit the bill. That being said, I feel ike this trade wouldn't be legal

Why would the nuggets do that? Mayo is not all that good, and Marion is a SF/PF not a guy they really need considering they already have a good starting SF and a starter quality 3/4 off the bench, along with 2 small forwards on the roster they want to develop, and just traded for another backup PF.

Marion is a 9 million expiring and Mayo is serviceable in the right role - would they rather lose iggy for nothing?

[The Rebel]

The only ways to fill holes on a roster is to actually sign guys.


That being said, it just seems stupid to offer a contract to a guy then withdraw the offer by the end of the day. To me you are telling free agents that they do not get a chance to even think about the offer, and let's be real here, the only free agent in the top 2 or 3 tiers that seems to be willing to talk to the Kings this year was Iggy, and now they do this? How many free agents are going to even bother talking to them now?

Not to mention the relationship with Cousins, the guy has repeatedly said he wants to win, cannot handle all the losing, and you have the guy you are reportedly targeting as your top target considering your offer, and then you withdraw the offer?

Questionable move at best, personally I think it is a terrible way to start off as a new front office and ownership group as it will not win them any favors from agents or players.

I am hoping there was more to it than just offering him the contract and then pulling it so quickly. I also hope that the basketball world find out what actually happened with the offer, but I doubt it ever will come out.

Their would have to be one hell of a reason for them to withdraw their offer, and I am sorry but an agent shopping a deal around is not going to be seen as a good enough reason to withdraw an offer. Every free agent has their agents shopping deals before they agree to it, just the way the NBA works and always works.

Fact is their is a reason Petey was not offered the Nuggets GM job despite the media thinking that he was the next in line for the job, after this I am thinking maybe he does not have the temperament to do it. You do not make offers to withdraw them, I cannot think of a single justifiable reason to do that within less then 24 hours.

[The Rebel]

I'm drawing a blank on S&T rules, but would something like this work?

Nuggets S&T Iguodala 4 yrs/52 mil

Mavs S&T Mayo and package with Shawn Marion


Frankly I think the Nuggets make out like bandits, but if the Mavs miss out on Dwight or he pushes them to add another "star", maybe Iggy could fit the bill. That being said, I feel ike this trade wouldn't be legal

Why would the nuggets do that? Mayo is not all that good, and Marion is a SF/PF not a guy they really need considering they already have a good starting SF and a starter quality 3/4 off the bench, along with 2 small forwards on the roster they want to develop, and just traded for another backup PF.

Marion is a 9 million expiring and Mayo is serviceable in the right role - would they rather lose iggy for nothing?

lose Iggy for nothing or commit at least $9 million extra to get a SG when you already feel like your SG of the future is on the roster. Yep I think they would rather lose Iggy for nothing then throw away a $9 million for guys they will not want.

[mysticbb]

Why would the nuggets do that? Mayo is not all that good, and Marion is a SF/PF not a guy they really need considering they already have a good starting SF and a starter quality 3/4 off the bench, along with 2 small forwards on the roster they want to develop, and just traded for another backup PF.

Yeah, I don't see the Nuggets being interested in such a package. Maybe they would take a look at Mayo, given his shooting might be working well with Lawson, Chandler, Faried and McGee on the court, but they really have no use for Marion. Dallas could engage in a S&T where Marion ends up on a 3rd team, the Nuggets would get either Mayo and/or a pick and Iguodala ends up on the Mavericks. Marion's salary, btw, would be enough to offer Iguodala about a 60/4 deal. That might be something the Mavericks do, if they are not getting Howard, while having signed/traded for a C and PG. Then use Marion to go over the cap.

[The Rebel]

Why would the nuggets do that? Mayo is not all that good, and Marion is a SF/PF not a guy they really need considering they already have a good starting SF and a starter quality 3/4 off the bench, along with 2 small forwards on the roster they want to develop, and just traded for another backup PF.

Yeah, I don't see the Nuggets being interested in such a package. Maybe they would take a look at Mayo, given his shooting might be working well with Lawson, Chandler, Faried and McGee on the court, but they really have no use for Marion. Dallas could engage in a S&T where Marion ends up on a 3rd team, the Nuggets would get either Mayo and/or a pick and Iguodala ends up on the Mavericks. Marion's salary, btw, would be enough to offer Iguodala about a 60/4 deal. That might be something the Mavericks do, if they are not getting Howard, while having signed/traded for a C and PG. Then use Marion to go over the cap.

That would make some sense for the Nuggets depending on the return for Marion, but watching how the Nuggets are handling themselves these last few weeks, I doubt they throw away $9 million for a guy they have no need for.

[GSForever]

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

[Kilo]

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

[Nutsacjac]

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

Immediately what I thought of when I heard the offer sheet was pulled.

[Debaser]

Oh wow, Iggy got blue balled!

[rpa]

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On the one hand I totally understand this: the Kings are willing to overpay if they know the guy's heart is in it and he's not wavering.

On the other hand, though, that seems like a really idealistic stance to take

[nyc6]

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

Fantastic post. Would give And2

[DanTown8587]

The Kings obviously didn't leak the offer, Iggy's side did, in hopes of getting the same money from the Nuggets or someone else. The Kings did what most teams should do: you want an offer, it better be serious, you want to use us for leverage, we're going to harpoon that leverage the instant that's what we are to you.