Anotha Knicks fan wrote:JustaKnickFan wrote:Anotha Knicks fan wrote:
There are (30) 2nd round draft picks in any given year. Of the thirty that are chosen every year, a small portion seldom make it past the 2nd/3rd year. Of that group, an even smaller group make an impact. The Manus, Gilbert Arenas, Marc Gasol and such are the exception and not the rule. While 2nd rounders shouldn't be frivolously discarded as nothing, they aren't something to cry over if they are used as trade fodder to 1) possibly improve the team, and 2) to reduce cap for a goal.
IMO the hope anyone can have for a second rounder to come in and produce is trumped by the hope that Bargnani can provide, based on what he showed in during the first portion of his career. The injuries he had aren't as debilitating as Amare's nor Shumpert's and he is still relatively young. Add onto that the motivation he lacked while playing in T-Dot, and we may have someone of a decent caliber.
I can understand the precautionary hate he is getting based on his production the last couple of years, and what he does not do... but I at least have optimism on what can provide.
The thing is, it's easier to find this talent in the 2nd round than as undrafted.
I tried proving a different thing with the first rounder we gave up. Drafting is such a crapshoot. I'm not saying it's not worth it, but I mean go back 5 years, and look at all the 2nd round picks that were chosen, and tell me how many of the 150 players (5 years X 30 2nd rounders) are still around. Then tell me how many are actually contributing. I don't discount the youth, the promise, the upside... etc, etc, but it's not like we are giving up a top ten pick.
Yeah Knicks can still find undrafted talent, but it's much better to have second rounders so you have priority over the remaining talent, and can sign these guys
without competing with 29 other teams.
This particular instance would only happen if we had the 31st pick.
I personally feel like the amount of picks given up is not worth the player in return.
I can't debate this. Everyone is going to feel a certain way about it, and in reality no one will be wrong, per say, until after the last pick that was given up is chosen. Even then... after they have played a bit.
Bargs is 27, has an awful work ethic, and is lazy.
Motivation is the key. Maybe he changes? What motivated him to do decently when he came into the league?Idk about you, but I don't feel like this is the guy the Knicks should be going after.
You are right. He was probably the last person I would've wanted on the team, but given the package, I don't mind it too much. At worst he plays as often as Camby and Novak played combined, and expires a year sooner.He's one of the worst 1st round picks in league history, and is the worst rebounding 7fter in league history.
I would reserve that to Greg Oden who produced much less in his career than Bargs has.I'd take what the Raptors got over what we got 10 times out of 10. I've watched quite a few Raptors games, and have seen how bad he was last year. Maybe I'm wrong (I hope), but I seriously doubt it. I'd rather have 3 motivated young guys on this team, than 1 lazy, 7fter who can't even rebound.
Yeah, again. cool man. I'm not trying to change your stance, but I just wanted to state a couple of things in a different light.
For some teams, the draft is a crapshoot. However, for other teams (Spurs come to mind as first, but GSW and Rockets are good drafting as well) it is a way to find young talent that can produce. I just looked back on the 2008 2nd round draft, and 6 of the 30 drafted in the 2nd round are solid-good starters in the league. That's 20% and that rate is only going up with all of the international talent being recognized now.
When I said competing with other teams I meant for undrafted guys. What if another team signs the undrafted guy you wanted first(Idk how this process works, just assuming)?
Bargs motivated? How much motivation does he need. He went through the worst stretch in his career, yet his team continues to start him, until he became injured. Hell, even when he got back from injury, the team still started him. How is that not motivation?
Bargs was so bad, and FO wanted him to start so badly, that one time the coach of the Raptors said he played Bargs in order to matchup with Luke Walton for rebounding. Think about that for a second. Anyway, you guys are underrating draft picks. The chance to get a solid starter, for a bench player price is so crucial for building a team, especially in the new CBA. To compete, you need young guys that can be like that, and that is why I dislike how the Knicks threw in draft picks like that. And for the player they got? I think I already made my stance on him clear
Here is to me eating crow and Andrea Bargnani becoming the greatest comeback story since Rocky Balboa. I think I'm going to start sporting a Bargs footer soon. Time to embrace what's happened.