BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[Thugger HBC]

This role stuff is my reference to the whispers of Tyson wanting to score more... Tyson no needs to focus on defense and rebounding...

You gotta give dogs some bones to play with, no dog guards the house just out of pure loyalty.

Tyson should be involved in the offense, what ever it takes to keep his attention defense up.

Hell get his bone if he stops whining, play his role, and stop showing his legs when he dresses... TEAM - if Wade can do it so can Tyson...

I assume you dont have a pet.

[bigfnjoe96]

Yeah. I'm not a Bargnani fan but this silly silly silly 300+ page argument about how Bargnani doesn't play defense or rebound fail to realize that the players/minutes/roles that he'd theoretically be replacing plays even worse defense.

And like I posted, you have the bitching about how Bargnani isn't good enough of a get from the same group that shot down every trade idea for pretty much that same package for better guys buy saying no one is going to trade anyone good for that type of package.

They are blurred, that can't even see how Bargnani can create a matchup problem on the offensive end due to his ability to not onlt hit the J, but take his man off the dribbble. I can just see him & Priggie running PnR

Yeah it will be like the sweet music that was Jose Calderon and Andrea. To the tune of a 22 win season.

LOL now were a 22 win team... You can't make this stuff

[Context]

We dont play man defense...we switch, so it's hard to give credit to something we wont utilize anyway.

So when west has the ball in an iOS situation against Bargs we r going to switch?

You're assuming that Barganani will be on West at the point of catch, i'm saying with the Knicks switching...he wont be.

My point thug- is..Bargs will play plenty of man to man and we will benefit from it. I'm just tired of particular posters ONLY driving what he can't do.i can go on and on about what Melo can't do or that he had two key turn overs in the final game just as Lebron in game six of the finals. However, I can also tell u about Melos 39 points that he dropped with a partial torn labrum to or Lebrons 4 th quarter run that kept the heat in that game. Bargs has his weakness just like EVERY PLAYER but he has enough positives to contribute to this team that will make us better than we were with Novak and Camby!

[johnnywishbone]

Other than cause you really really really want it to happen, why on earth would Denver do that trade? If we want to head off to fantasy land then why not just wait for them to trade that package to Boston (without Shumpert) for Rondo?

Denver needs thee point shooting, they have a guard who can break down defenses and get Novak open looks, Andre supposedly wants out and management was mad at Karl for playing Miller over Fournier.

Other than that I don't know.

[ibraheim718]

we try to involve tyson in the offense and he fumbles easy catch and finish dunks, he has horrible hands.

can everyone please stop acting like the pacers series wasn't close. both teams scored the exact same amount of points in the series. the difference was they won the 2 close games, while the other 4 games were blowouts 1 way or the other. imagine if melo was healthy and shot closer to his season average? or tyson and JR didn't crap the bed. a few more made shots and the knicks win that series.

How can you imagine something that has never happened?

Melo hasn't shot anywhere near his regular season average since being a Knick, Tyson has yet to be an impact in a playoff as well as JR.

This deal compounds that...not make it better.

Imo, if you have HCA and dont force a game 7...it wasnt close....close is losing 4-3.

THIS! The series wasn't close.. they handled us in game 1 in our gym and dictated everything that happened from there on out minus the one good quarter in game 2 and the head injury that forced George Hill out in game 5.

[TheBigBoss]

we try to involve tyson in the offense and he fumbles easy catch and finish dunks, he has horrible hands.

can everyone please stop acting like the pacers series wasn't close. both teams scored the exact same amount of points in the series. the difference was they won the 2 close games, while the other 4 games were blowouts 1 way or the other. imagine if melo was healthy and shot closer to his season average? or tyson and JR didn't crap the bed. a few more made shots and the knicks win that series.

Thank you! If I didn't know any better I would have thought the Knicks got swept. Lets be real, it took alot of questionable calls for Indy to get that game 6 from us, plus the various issues already mentioned in knicksGmen's post.

[johnnywishbone]

LOL now were a 22 win team... You can't make this stuff

That's what Calderon and Andrea produced: back to back 20 win seasons. So yeah I'm not excited about a Prigi & Andrea PnR.

I'd much rather see Felton and Tyson PnR.

[ibraheim718]

Case and example...

You know there are another 47 minutes and 57 seconds to the rest of the game right?

[Rasho Brezec]

What series did you watch bro? just imagine west or Hibb constantly getting pump faked and driven on by Bargs- compound that with Melo dropping 39 and they don't look so mighty...

Imagine them killing us on the boards and winning because they get to have 10 more possesions per game than we. Because that's what's going to happen.

He's a weak rebounder. Individual rebounding stats are not as significant as your team rebounding and if that's solid, you can hide a bad rebounder some. Similar to D but even more so with rebounding.

On the other hand, you can't hide a lack of secondary scoring. It catches up to you eventually.

Individual rebounding can be very overrated and even team rebounding might be misunderstood. You love numbers so I'll throw out that the Spurs were 21st in rebounding and Miami dead last at 30th. 21 versus 30 for the championship ... and 30 won. (Hey Riley, no rebounds, no rings? )

He's not a perfect player or close to one. He's not replacing perfect players (Novak is not a good rebounder and Camby didn't play at all), nor is the package we gave up good enough to get a perfect player.

Those stats are completely misleading.

We were 18th in total rebounding rate. Spurs were 19th, Miami was 21st.

However, Spurs were 4th in shots made at the rim and Miami was 8th, both on above average FG%. We were 23rd. Those teams get to the basket and they do it effectively. We're a jumpshooting team with the highest 3pt rate in the league and we just made a move that pulls a good rebounder away from the basket and puts there one of the worst rebounding bigs ever.

This is the definition of D'Antoni ball. Live and die by the 3.

[method]

Yeah it will be like the sweet music that was Jose Calderon and Andrea. To the tune of a 22 win season.

now just add in Melo Stat Tyson etc....

[kNicksGmen]

we try to involve tyson in the offense and he fumbles easy catch and finish dunks, he has horrible hands.

can everyone please stop acting like the pacers series wasn't close. both teams scored the exact same amount of points in the series. the difference was they won the 2 close games, while the other 4 games were blowouts 1 way or the other. imagine if melo was healthy and shot closer to his season average? or tyson and JR didn't crap the bed. a few more made shots and the knicks win that series.

How can you imagine something that has never happened?

Melo hasn't shot anywhere near his regular season average since being a Knick, Tyson has yet to be an impact in a playoff as well as JR.

This deal compounds that...not make it better.

Imo, if you have HCA and dont force a game 7...it wasnt close....close is losing 4-3.

they stole game 1 in a close game. game 2 we blew them out. next 2 games they blew us out. then we blew them out. game 6 was close but they closed it out. 2 close games they won which won them the series, to me that indicates a close series. despite the injuries, poor performances and bad strategy, it was close. make some more shots in game 6 to win it, no way they lose game 7 at home. knicks pull out the 2 close games and they win in 6. that's how it goes in sports sometimes. the spurs win game 6 and people don't remember it as a close series. a few more made shots was all it would take to turn those 2 close losses into wins, unfortunately it didn't work out in our favor. if bargs can be a guy that can make some shots why wouldn't it help?

[ibraheim718]

What series did you watch bro? just imagine west or Hibb constantly getting pump faked and driven on by Bargs- compound that with Melo dropping 39 and they don't look so mighty...

Imagine them killing us on the boards and winning because they get to have 10 more possesions per game than we. Because that's what's going to happen.

He's a weak rebounder. Individual rebounding stats are not as significant as your team rebounding and if that's solid, you can hide a bad rebounder some. Similar to D but even more so with rebounding.

On the other hand, you can't hide a lack of secondary scoring. It catches up to you eventually.

Individual rebounding can be very overrated and even team rebounding might be misunderstood. You love numbers so I'll throw out that the Spurs were 21st in rebounding and Miami dead last at 30th. 21 versus 30 for the championship ... and 30 won. (Hey Riley, no rebounds, no rings? )

He's not a perfect player or close to one. He's not replacing perfect players (Novak is not a good rebounder and Camby didn't play at all), nor is the package we gave up good enough to get a perfect player.

We didn't lose to Miami or San Antonio.. we lost to Indiana.

[Thugger HBC]

So when west has the ball in an iOS situation against Bargs we r going to switch?

You're assuming that Barganani will be on West at the point of catch, i'm saying with the Knicks switching...he wont be.

My point thug- is..Bargs will play plenty of man to man and we will benefit from it. I'm just tired of particular posters ONLY driving what he can't do.i can go on and on about what Melo can't do or that he had two key turn overs in the final game just as Lebron in game six of the finals. However, I can also tell u about Melos 39 points that he dropped with a partial torn labrum to or Lebrons 4 th quarter run that kept the heat in that game. Bargs has his weakness just like EVERY PLAYER but he has enough positives to contribute to this team that will make us better than we were with Novak and Camby!

here's my view.....

The portion of bargnani's game you want to emphasize has not been there for a few years vs his deficiencies have been there his whole career.

I'd love to be wrong, but seriously doubt a simple change of jersey is gonna make things better.

I really wanna here Woodsons comment on him when this deal is official.

I' already guaranteeing before the season starts my concerns Woody will repeat and expect to change.

[ibraheim718]

Yeah it will be like the sweet music that was Jose Calderon and Andrea. To the tune of a 22 win season.

now just add in Melo Stat Tyson etc....

The only thing you can add Stat to right now is the X-ray table.

[Context]

You gotta give dogs some bones to play with, no dog guards the house just out of pure loyalty.

Tyson should be involved in the offense, what ever it takes to keep his attention defense up.

Hell get his bone if he stops whining, play his role, and stop showing his legs when he dresses... TEAM - if Wade can do it so can Tyson...

I assume you dont have a pet.

I had two before but don't have any now Honestly, Tyson is not a dog he is a human. I hope Tyson is in the weight room right now or maybe taking up mixed marial arts as Hibbert did prior to last season. Because that's what I would do if I got pushed around by Hibbert. Bargs nullifies West to me and allows Melo to be stronger and more effective. As far as Hib is concern that's on Tyson to get stronger. Bargs or no Bargs only Tyson can keep up with Hibbert.

[johnnywishbone]

Those stats are completely misleading.

We were 18th in total rebounding rate. Spurs were 19th, Miami was 21st.

However, Spurs were 4th in shots made at the rim and Miami was 8th, both on above average FG%. We were 23rd. Those teams get to the basket and they do it effectively. We're a jumpshooting team with the highest 3pt rate in the league and we just made a move that pulls a good rebounder away from the basket and puts there one of the worst rebounding bigs ever.

This is the definition of D'Antoni ball. Live and die by the 3.

You know when Rasho is against the Euro something is fundamentally wrong with him. My second And1 goes to you my friend.

[bigfnjoe96]

Case and example...

You know there are another 47 minutes and 57 seconds to the rest of the game right?

And...

[ibraheim718]

Case and example...

You know there are another 47 minutes and 57 seconds to the rest of the game right?

Here ya go since you asked...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSIVEBVq0A[/youtube]

You know we're in the year 2013 right?

[johnnywishbone]

You know we're in the year 2013 right?

To be fair, in the Chinese zodiac 2013 is the year of the Meatball so this could be a great idea.

[bigfnjoe96]

You know there are another 47 minutes and 57 seconds to the rest of the game right?

Here ya go since you asked...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSIVEBVq0A[/youtube]

You know we're in the year 2013 right?

And your point is????