BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[StephNYKurry]

You know when you have to show highlights from against the worst team in nba history you are in trouble.

What about the highlights where he's got his foot all the way up Chris Bosh's ass?

[johnnywishbone]

Kicks 2013-2014



I can't wait for the Melo, Stat and Bargnani rotation.

Yes, it would have been better to have the Melo, Stat, Novak rotation.

Saying he's better than Novak is like saying the used sex doll is better than your hand. It's not exactly what we are shooting for.

[bigfnjoe96]

I'm sure if you squeeze real hard you can figure it out.

No need to figure anything out. Your stuck in the 80's with your vision of what a PF/C should be. All I can say is "Good Luck with that"

Would you agree that a 5 rebound PF/C makes it harder for a team to win in the playoffs especially if they aren't scoring efficiently?

My example...Chris Bosh.

I agree, would you agree that a PF/C who can hit the 3 & take his man off the dribble can make it harder for teams to game plan & focus only on Melo?

[Thugger HBC]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

disagree here too. white wasn't necessary to make the deal originally and he declined to push back his option, which is why he was waived.

White would have alleviated the picks mainly, and the deal couldnt be done on a sunday because of league rules.

The first deal was never to be approved since the team didn't notify the league on Friday, which they couldn't since they werent talking at that point.

[Thugger HBC]

No need to figure anything out. Your stuck in the 80's with your vision of what a PF/C should be. All I can say is "Good Luck with that"

Would you agree that a 5 rebound PF/C makes it harder for a team to win in the playoffs especially if they aren't scoring efficiently?

My example...Chris Bosh.

I agree, would you agree that a PF/C who can hit the 3 & take his man off the dribble can make it harder for teams to game plan & focus only on Melo?

yes, i agree, but would you agree that as teams advance defenses know how to shut down threes and predictable drives into the lane?

[moocow007]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

There's been rumors about the Knicks being interested in Bargnani last season. A lot of the talk was about Colangelo needing to either move Fields contract as well or getting more than was reasonable for a guy that he clearly still valued highly (I mean it's one of the biggest factors into his ultimate firing). So the interest in Bargnani isn't new. The trade? Teams talk trade all the time. The Raptors could have called the Knicks on account of their interest in Bargnani last season, or the Knicks could have called the Raptors (the day before, or two days before, etc) because they have come under the realization that Stoudemire likely isn't going to get better or even play as many minutes as they thought he would last season (I mean his agent said so himself for goodness sake) AND that the vibe around the league is that the interest in Copeland likely guarantees that he'll be gone?

[kNicksGmen]

I'm sure if you squeeze real hard you can figure it out.

No need to figure anything out. Your stuck in the 80's with your vision of what a PF/C should be. All I can say is "Good Luck with that"

Would you agree that a 5 rebound PF/C makes it harder for a team to win in the playoffs especially if they aren't scoring efficiently?

My example...Chris Bosh.

not anymore so than having melo at the 4 with 3 guards out there.

[moocow007]

Kicks 2013-2014



I can't wait for the Melo, Stat and Bargnani rotation.

Yes, it would have been better to have the Melo, Stat, Novak rotation.

Saying he's better than Novak is like saying the used sex doll is better than your hand. It's not exactly what we are shooting for.

So once again we should have traded that package for Lamarcus Aldrige maybe?

[moocow007]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

How this is not obvious to others baffles me.

It baffles you because you only want to believe what you want to believe.

[kNicksGmen]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

disagree here too. white wasn't necessary to make the deal originally and he declined to push back his option, which is why he was waived.

White would have alleviated the picks mainly, and the deal couldnt be done on a sunday because of league rules.

The first deal was never to be approved since the team didn't notify the league on Friday, which they couldn't since they werent talking at that point.

not sure what you mean by "alleviated the picks"? unless for some reason you think white has value.

[moocow007]

So to repeat again...regarding Stoudemire...Happy Walters...Stoudemire's agent...has confirmed that Stoudemire isn't likely to play a lot of minutes (didn't say a number exactly but would be logical to assume it's less than the 30 minutes they expected him to play last season) and is not likely to play in the 2nd game of any back to backs this upcoming season (meaning he'll automatically miss around 15 games). So Stoudemire's health AND Copelands likely departure due to a better offer than the Knicks can give him very well could have prompted Grunwald to revisit acquiring Bargnani, a guy that they discussed with then GM Bryan Colangelo last season again this season. It's clear that Toronto wanted to move him...Ujiri essentially said that that was one of his first tasks. So who called who, when really doesn't matter.

[bigfnjoe96]

yes, i agree, but would you agree that as teams advance defenses know how to shut down threes and predictable drives into the lane?

Of course Thugger. But let's now forget Bargnani has a little post game too. Yeah it's not his #1 offensive option, buts it is in arsenal.

As for Rebounding it's not only an effort thing, but it's also a "Team" thing. We know Bargnani needs motivating & I really believe this is the right team to help him with that. I also think it's on the team to rebound as a team and help him be a better rebounder.

[Context]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

How this is not obvious to others baffles me.

One thing doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other... No good GM waits too long. So You're tryin to tell me that Grunnie didn't know that he had Q as an option? The deal just as most deals was being discussed for weeks, months, years, etc and then the circumstances finally created an opportunity to bring things to a close.

[johnnywishbone]

So once again we should have traded that package for Lamarcus Aldrige maybe?

Or we could have done nothing and had our draft picks and the flexibility to trade 2017 for a better deal?

[Context]

So to repeat again...regarding Stoudemire...Happy Walters...Stoudemire's agent...has confirmed that Stoudemire isn't likely to play a lot of minutes (didn't say a number exactly but would be logical to assume it's less than the 30 minutes they expected him to play last season) and is not likely to play in the 2nd game of any back to backs this upcoming season (meaning he'll automatically miss around 15 games). So Stoudemire's health AND Copelands likely departure due to a better offer than the Knicks can give him very well could have prompted Grunwald to revisit acquiring Bargnani, a guy that they discussed with then GM Bryan Colangelo last season again this season. It's clear that Toronto wanted to move him...Ujiri essentially said that that was one of his first tasks. So who called who, when really doesn't matter.

Exactly moo... And some of you guys play bat and this should have to be debated or explained

[method]

It's pretty common sense this deal was made and discussed only on that day.

They waived the player who was to be used the day before for situations like this.

I'm almost positive the Raptors called the Knicks.

How this is not obvious to others baffles me.

We were trying to get Bargs since the deadline last year when offered Amare.....


Or was that bull crap???

[kNicksGmen]

i'm defending this trade way too much considering i'm not even a fan of bargs

the bottom line to me is we gave up useless players and picks that have no bearing on immediate success and in return got clearly the best player in the deal and a guy with upside that could potentially be a nice fit.

people hating on this trade either over value the picks, or simply hate bargs.

either way i don't see much negative about it in terms of the immediate future. years down the line not having the pick i could undertstand being upset... but right now bargs is clearly a better fit for us than novak/camby... so what's the problem? even if you hate bargs, at worst he's an expiring contract lined up with all our big contracts.

[johnnywishbone]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cGpV8bSaps[/youtube]

I think this video encapsulates all my concerns about Andrea.

[TrueWarrior]

But Miami beat Indiana and won a title with scoring. Bargnani has more raw offensive talent than anybody available at the price we paid.

I mean, I would hope most of the detractors here would at least admit that much. If not, I'd like to hear some names of people who could be gotten with the package we got Bargs with.

We should just start a thread on this already. Name better players we could have gotten with the package we traded for Bargs. Since so many are convinced we could land Kevin Love with it. Unless we're adding Shumpert to the deal no team is giving us anything great for that. It could be outbid by every team Im sure.

Seems most people arent even upset at the value of the trade. They would just rather us kept the swapped pick 3 years from now and not have made the trade at all, because they dont feel Bargs gets us closer to a ring these next 2 years. Understandable but it wasnt like we were going to stand pat the next 2 years and waste Melo's prime. This trade does make us better. Maybe not surefire title contenders but I dont see how we're not better, while also helping our 2015 capspace.

Anything can happen in the playoffs. A little improvement from Shump, Bargs contributing, and a couple solid signings and who knows.

[K_ick_God]

You can hate Bargnani and trading picks but you have to analyze getting him against only the costs involved, unless having him on your roster is simply subtraction by addition, which is premature to say.

1. Novak is not a good rebounder or defender. He's a great shooter who could not contribute in enough other ways, or even get his shot off sufficiently, to make it on the court when it counted in the spring.

2. The 2016 pick cannot be valued as highly as other picks. It is already subject to Denver's swap, it probably wasn't sufficient to get a better asset, and it's not likely to produce a top pick in the draft given the swap already weighing it down as an asset. Any team taking it will send you back a flawed asset, not a premium one.

3. His contract fits our needs more than Novak's.

JR is a rare example of a guy who I think you're better off not keeping, even if he came free. There are specific reasons for this, reasons I don't expect will be the case with Bargs. But we'll see. Even if he's toxic, it's only 2 years.