LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Chicago Part 2

[The Force.]

Another thing, I'm pretty sure Joakim would enjoy the laxed marijuana laws in Oregon. Perhaps Portland would be willing to throw in a free medical card?

[Red Larrivee]

LMA is a fantasy league kinda guy

Duncan is a NBA finals kinda guy. So is Noah

Decide which type you want

Put Aldridge on a winning team and I'm sure things would be different.

[tre11408]

Honestly, people need to stop overrating Noah. Now is our chance to get the much coveted "2nd option" 20-10 big man and we're scoffing at deals which include Joakim??

This isn't fantasy land, it's real life. You have to give up big assets to get them back. Noah is easier to replace than Aldridge and that's the bottom line.

First of all, Aldridge has never come close to averaging 10 rebounds, last year's 9.1 was his career high.

He averages 7.9 reb/36 for his career, Noah 11.4 per 36.

Blocked shots per 36: Aldridge 1.0, Noah 1.8
Assists per 36: Aldridge 1.9, Noah 2.7
Steals per 36: Aldridge 0.8, Noah 1.0

Aldridge scores 21 a game because he takes 17-18 shots a game. Noah might only give us 12 pts/game, but he does it on only 10 shots.

If you want to see Noah score like Aldridge, all he has to do is start shooting an extra 6 jumpers a game. That'll take his scoring average up to Aldridge's, and lower his TS% down to Aldridge's.

That would come real close to evening things out. Yes, Aldridge would have a slightly higher TS%, but since Noah beats him in every other statistical category, I'll live with it.

TS%1: .539, .594, .557, .579, .561, .534
TS%2: .523, .529, .535, .549, .560, .530

PER1: 15.5, 16.5, 17.9, 18.8, 19.6, 18.1
PER2: 18.5, 19.1, 18.2, 21.5, 22.7, 20.4

Yes, 1 is Noah and 2 is Aldridge.

Yes, Noah has posted a better TS% than Aldridge each and every year of his career. So have him shoot 5 or 6 more jumpers every night, their TS% will even out, and he'll average the 20 everyone so loves Aldridge for averaging.

Noah's OffReb%, DefReb% and TotalReb% are better than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah's Blk% is higher than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah Ast% is better than Aldridge's each of the last 4 years.
Noah's OffRtg has been higher 4 of 6 years.

How does a guy with a lower TS%, lower Reb% across the board, lower Ast%, lower Blk%, lower OffRtg have a higher PER every year?

Yes, that right there tells you how useless PER is.

Again, the only reason anyone wants Aldridge over Noah is his (allegedly) superior offense.

Well look at the actual numbers, their offense is, in reality, pretty damned close to even.

Noah is our emotional leader and the leader of our defense.

Aldridge is owed $30.4 million over the next 2 years.
Jo Noah is owed $36.7 million over the next 3 years.

Noah's offensive game might not be as pretty as Aldridge's, but it is certainly more efficient.

Now that I've actually compared the numbers in-depth, I'm even more against trading Noah for Aldridge. Thankfully, I have enough faith in our front office that I know there is no way in hell that trade will ever happen.

[The Kane]

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[chadrucf]

That's just flat out wrong, and you didn't really answer the question. Is Aldridge > Boozer+Noah?

Technically, the question was does Aldridge - Boozer = Noah?

It's the same equation, with the same solution.

[The Kane]

LMA is a fantasy league kinda guy

Duncan is a NBA finals kinda guy. So is Noah

Decide which type you want

Noah? Lol some of you just need to stop. Noah hasn't won a damn thing in the NBA. Stop trying to turn this dude into a Hall of Famer. Noah is a great player, but he isn't irreplaceable by ANY means, and Aldridge is a better player than he is, especially for the Bulls.

[Chitownbulls]

Why do we need Noah then? He can't guard LeBron or score.

1. He can guard LeBron better than any other center in the league.

2. Do we really need to repeat how valuable Noah is offensively?

It really seems like you just don't care how many times your arguments have been addressed. A couple days later, you just repeat the same debunked assertions as if they are convincing.

Its a difference of opinion. I like Noah but the fact is, he can't score for us when we need him.

LMA will make the bucket

Noah will pass it to Boozer

[chadrucf]

Rose
Butler
Deng
LMA
Gortat

You can beat the heat with that team. Chicago has a huge polish population too.Polish Hammer!

Where is Gortat coming from?

[tre11408]

Is the difference between aldridge and Boozer really a player of the caliber of noah?

I'm not so sure about that.

If Boozer isn't making jumpers he's basically a hot air balloon with sneakers.

You left out just a few minor details:

If Boozer isn't making jumpers, he's an all-time NBA elite defensive rebounder.
If Aldridge isn't making jumpers, he's one of the worst rebounders in the league among starting PFs.

[Doom]

Rose
Butler
Deng
LMA
Gortat

You can beat the heat with that team. Chicago has a huge polish population too.Polish Hammer!

Where is Gortat coming from?

rofl my thoughts exactly

[The Force.]

Honestly, people need to stop overrating Noah. Now is our chance to get the much coveted "2nd option" 20-10 big man and we're scoffing at deals which include Joakim??

This isn't fantasy land, it's real life. You have to give up big assets to get them back. Noah is easier to replace than Aldridge and that's the bottom line.

First of all, Aldridge has never come close to averaging 10 rebounds, last year's 9.1 was his career high.

He averages 7.9 reb/36 for his career, Noah 11.4 per 36.

Blocked shots per 36: Aldridge 1.0, Noah 1.8
Assists per 36: Aldridge 1.9, Noah 2.7
Steals per 36: Aldridge 0.8, Noah 1.0

Aldridge scores 21 a game because he takes 17-18 shots a game. Noah might only give us 12 pts/game, but he does it on only 10 shots.

If you want to see Noah score like Aldridge, all he has to do is start shooting an extra 6 jumpers a game. That'll take his scoring average up to Aldridge's, and lower his TS% down to Aldridge's.

That would come real close to evening things out. Yes, Aldridge would have a slightly higher TS%, but since Noah beats him in every other statistical category, I'll live with it.

TS%1: .539, .594, .557, .579, .561, .534
TS%2: .523, .529, .535, .549, .560, .530

PER1: 15.5, 16.5, 17.9, 18.8, 19.6, 18.1
PER2: 18.5, 19.1, 18.2, 21.5, 22.7, 20.4

Yes, 1 is Noah and 2 is Aldridge.

Yes, Noah has posted a better TS% than Aldridge each and every year of his career. So have him shoot 5 or 6 more jumpers every night, their TS% will even out, and he'll average the 20 everyone so loves Aldridge for averaging.

Noah's OffReb%, DefReb% and TotalReb% are better than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah's Blk% is higher than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah Ast% is better than Aldridge's each of the last 4 years.
Noah's OffRtg has been higher 4 of 6 years.

How does a guy with a lower TS%, lower Reb% across the board, lower Ast%, lower Blk%, lower OffRtg have a higher PER every year?

Yes, that right there tells you how useless PER is.

Again, the only reason anyone wants Aldridge over Noah is his (allegedly) superior offense.

Well look at the actual numbers, their offense is, in reality, pretty damned close to even.

Noah is our emotional leader and the leader of our defense.

Aldridge is owed $30.4 million over the next 2 years.
Jo Noah is owed $36.7 million over the next 3 years.

Noah's offensive game might not be as pretty as Aldridge's, but it is certainly more efficient.

Now that I've actually compared the numbers in-depth, I'm even more against trading Noah for Aldridge. Thankfully, I have enough faith in our front office that I know there is no way in hell that trade will ever happen.

LMA is a legit #2. Noah is a high energy role-player. Stats don't negate this fact.

[Chitownbulls]

LMA is a fantasy league kinda guy

Duncan is a NBA finals kinda guy. So is Noah

Decide which type you want

Noah? Lol some of you just need to stop. Noah hasn't won a damn thing in the NBA. Stop trying to turn this dude into a Hall of Famer. Noah is a great player, but he isn't irreplaceable by ANY means, and Aldridge is a better player than he is, especially for the Bulls.

Exactly, I love Noah just as much as the next guy but come on. Plus he's injury prone, your trading for a guy who really hasn't been injured his whole career.

[kulaz3000]

Aldridge has never averaged 20/10. We've already been through this.

Saying Aldridge is a 20/10 player is like saying Boozer is a 20/15 guy.

No it's not. 20/10 is only two rebounds away from true for Aldridge. 20/15 is 5 points and 6 rebounds away from Boozer's stats, which is huge. You're trying to downplay Aldridge's numbers.

Not really no. LaMarcus averaged 21 and 9 in 38 minutes, while Boozer averaged 16 and 10 in 32 minutes. Give Boozer 6 more minutes of play per game in a regular season, Boozer points and rebounding would be just as close to 20 and 15 as people are haphazardly using 20 and 10 as LaMarcus's career numbers. With 6 more minutes per game, would be it absurd that Boozer couldn't average 20 and 12?

My point is, you can imaginarily boost anyone's numbers to make them more pretty, but the fact is in the facts, they would not be true, because you know, they'd be imaginary. So why not just state the actual facts and not have to embellish them to enhance ones argument?

[Doom]

just because aldridge is on a horrible team doesn't mean he's only a "fantasy league kinda guy" what the **** does that even mean...

[RedBulls23]

If Boozer isn't making jumpers he's basically a hot air balloon with sneakers.

That's just flat out wrong, and you didn't really answer the question. Is Aldridge > Boozer+Noah?

Not to mention that boozer is a much better rebounder. So not only would we lose his rebounding but we would also lose our best rebounder in Noah. And that's a strength we have over miami. It's just not wise to try and out talent miami. We have to bear their weaknesses.

I'm all for trading for aldridge, but I personally just don't see the over all value in trading Noah for him.

[Chitownbulls]

Rose
Butler
Deng
LMA
Gortat

You can beat the heat with that team. Chicago has a huge polish population too.Polish Hammer!

Where is Gortat coming from?

rofl my thoughts exactly

Free agent next year an he's making 7million dollars right now

[The Force.]

Is the difference between aldridge and Boozer really a player of the caliber of noah?

I'm not so sure about that.

If Boozer isn't making jumpers he's basically a hot air balloon with sneakers.

You left out just a few minor details:

If Boozer isn't making jumpers, he's an all-time NBA elite defensive rebounder.
If Aldridge isn't making jumpers, he's one of the worst rebounders in the league among starting PFs.

LMA can play defense. Boozer watches Taj play defense.

[pduh01]

Why do we need Noah then? He can't guard LeBron or score.

1. He can guard LeBron better than any other center in the league.

2. Do we really need to repeat how valuable Noah is offensively?

It really seems like you just don't care how many times your arguments have been addressed. A couple days later, you just repeat the same debunked assertions as if they are convincing.

Its a difference of opinion. I like Noah but the fact is, he can't score for us when we need him.

LMA will make the bucket

Noah will pass it to Boozer

Actually if we get LMA without giving Noah it's more like this Noah pass to LMA and LMA made the basket.

Or LMA shoot a jumper make a basket or missed Noah clean the offensive rebounds.

[waffle]

LMA is a fantasy league kinda guy

Duncan is a NBA finals kinda guy. So is Noah

Decide which type you want

Noah? Lol some of you just need to stop. Noah hasn't won a damn thing in the NBA. Stop trying to turn this dude into a Hall of Famer. Noah is a great player, but he isn't irreplaceable by ANY means, and Aldridge is a better player than he is, especially for the Bulls.

did I say HOF? And NO WAY is he better. Your post is highly illogical and lacking in specifics.

naoh is MUCH better than LMA in every regard other than scoring.

How many winning teams has LMA been on? HUM....

[waffle]

Honestly, people need to stop overrating Noah. Now is our chance to get the much coveted "2nd option" 20-10 big man and we're scoffing at deals which include Joakim??

This isn't fantasy land, it's real life. You have to give up big assets to get them back. Noah is easier to replace than Aldridge and that's the bottom line.

First of all, Aldridge has never come close to averaging 10 rebounds, last year's 9.1 was his career high.

He averages 7.9 reb/36 for his career, Noah 11.4 per 36.

Blocked shots per 36: Aldridge 1.0, Noah 1.8
Assists per 36: Aldridge 1.9, Noah 2.7
Steals per 36: Aldridge 0.8, Noah 1.0

Aldridge scores 21 a game because he takes 17-18 shots a game. Noah might only give us 12 pts/game, but he does it on only 10 shots.

If you want to see Noah score like Aldridge, all he has to do is start shooting an extra 6 jumpers a game. That'll take his scoring average up to Aldridge's, and lower his TS% down to Aldridge's.

That would come real close to evening things out. Yes, Aldridge would have a slightly higher TS%, but since Noah beats him in every other statistical category, I'll live with it.

TS%1: .539, .594, .557, .579, .561, .534
TS%2: .523, .529, .535, .549, .560, .530

PER1: 15.5, 16.5, 17.9, 18.8, 19.6, 18.1
PER2: 18.5, 19.1, 18.2, 21.5, 22.7, 20.4

Yes, 1 is Noah and 2 is Aldridge.

Yes, Noah has posted a better TS% than Aldridge each and every year of his career. So have him shoot 5 or 6 more jumpers every night, their TS% will even out, and he'll average the 20 everyone so loves Aldridge for averaging.

Noah's OffReb%, DefReb% and TotalReb% are better than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah's Blk% is higher than Aldridge's 6 of 6 years.
Noah Ast% is better than Aldridge's each of the last 4 years.
Noah's OffRtg has been higher 4 of 6 years.

How does a guy with a lower TS%, lower Reb% across the board, lower Ast%, lower Blk%, lower OffRtg have a higher PER every year?

Yes, that right there tells you how useless PER is.

Again, the only reason anyone wants Aldridge over Noah is his (allegedly) superior offense.

Well look at the actual numbers, their offense is, in reality, pretty damned close to even.

Noah is our emotional leader and the leader of our defense.

Aldridge is owed $30.4 million over the next 2 years.
Jo Noah is owed $36.7 million over the next 3 years.

Noah's offensive game might not be as pretty as Aldridge's, but it is certainly more efficient.

Now that I've actually compared the numbers in-depth, I'm even more against trading Noah for Aldridge. Thankfully, I have enough faith in our front office that I know there is no way in hell that trade will ever happen.

LMA is a legit #2. Noah is a high energy role-player. Stats don't negate this fact.

You play up LMA and discount Noah. How convenient!