Two trades for Swingmen

[Piston Pete]

TRADE #1: CV / Singler / two future 2nd rounders to TOR for SF Gay

Toronto cuts cap immediately, as well as future cap, gets a young SF (Singler), and gets a couple picks.



TRADE #2: Stuckey to ORL for Afflalo

ORL cuts future cap by dealing for Stuckey's expiring.




Knight
Afflalo
Gay
Monroe
Drummond

[2Mas]

Think both are great trades for you guys, but both opposing teams laugh. Just blatant uneven talent, nmw what teams plans are.

However I wouldn't be surprised if Orl flipped AA.

[DetroitDon15]

TRADE #1: CV / Singler / two future 2nd rounders to TOR for SF Gay

Toronto cuts cap immediately, as well as future cap, gets a young SF (Singler), and gets a couple picks.



TRADE #2: Stuckey to ORL for Afflalo

ORL cuts future cap by dealing for Stuckey's expiring.




Knight
Afflalo
Gay
Monroe
Drummond

I have no interest in the first one. I'm not eating 10 million worth of Gay salary. I think we can sign a premier FA for that amount. I'll pass.

[ImHeisenberg]

I live in the Memphis area, and watched Rudy Gay for the last four years on a regular basis.

He's not worth his contract. He has talent, but he doesn't have a high basketball IQ and is wildly inconsistent. Also, he spends too much time ball watching, and often allows his man to take advantage of that.

There's a reason Memphis plowed through to the WCF after trading him- while Prince isn't nearly the athlete of scorer that Gay is, he doesn't constantly make mistakes, or try to pointlessly play "hero ball". He was addition by subtraction in Memphis.

Don't get me wrong- Rudy isn't a bad guy. He's not going to be a locker room problem. But, I doubt he'll ever put his talent together with enough focus to play at the elite level that he's being paid to perform at. Additionally, I don't think Toronto even takes that deal.

Aaron Afflalo straight up for Stuckey isn't impossible, but maybe unlikely. He is a touch overpaid for what he brings, and with KCP here, he might not be needed.

I would take either of those deals if they were a reality- in both cases, it dumps a player we don't want and nets one that can at least contribute.

[bennett13]

Give me Barnes and Thompson and I'd be happy.

[dan2314]

we have to stop thinking we can get these borderline stars by simply giving them our junk because they might be overpaid 1 or 2mil. it doesnt work like that. the only way they do this, is if we give them legit young assets they can rebuild with, such as first round picks. giving them players who have played in the league and have done nothing isnt very appealing. unless we are willing to give up first round picks for the next 3 years, lets just stick to amnestying DNP-CV and signing players in free agency

[ChipButty]

Sounds like Golden State would be willing to trade Barnes to the Lakers, but the Lakers are not interested in a sign and trade for Howard. How about we try and provide an alternative option. We just absorb Golden States worst expiring deals and they thank us by giving us Barnes.

Biedrins, Jefferson, Barnes for TPE (not exactly sure how TPE's work, but I'm assuming they would get one)

They'd have to find somebody else to take Bogut's 1 year expiring, which I think could be possible. I'd even add Singler or a future 2nd, if it helps them move Bogut.

Not the most exciting offseason, but Barnes would be an awesome addition.

[Umbra]

Sounds like Golden State would be willing to trade Barnes to the Lakers, but the Lakers are not interested in a sign and trade for Howard. How about we try and provide an alternative option. We just absorb Golden States worst expiring deals and they thank us by giving us Barnes.

Biedrins, Jefferson, Barnes for TPE (not exactly sure how TPE's work, but I'm assuming they would get one)

They'd have to find somebody else to take Bogut's 1 year expiring, which I think could be possible. I'd even add Singler or a future 2nd, if it helps them move Bogut.

Not the most exciting offseason, but Barnes would be an awesome addition.

I think both Jefferson and Biedrins are expiring too, so if all we did was that than we will have killer cap space in 2014!

[bennett13]

So then we would have a bunch of money and strike out on all the free agents again lol

[Pharaoh]

we have to stop thinking we can get these borderline stars by simply giving them our junk because they might be overpaid 1 or 2mil. it doesnt work like that. the only way they do this, is if we give them legit young assets they can rebuild with, such as first round picks. giving them players who have played in the league and have done nothing isnt very appealing. unless we are willing to give up first round picks for the next 3 years, lets just stick to amnestying DNP-CV and signing players in free agency

You don't get borderline stars simply by them junk...

unless that team really, really wants to tank... I mean lose the right way.

Maybes = Atlanta, Boston, Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto,

Teams we know are tanking: Charlotte, Orlando, Philadelphia, Utah

Teams that are still kind of tanking because of their future cap/pick situation: Cleveland

Teams that may take a different approach due to current roster/cap situation: Memphis, Minnesota, New Orleans

That's a lot of teams that may or may not choose to tank depending on how things shake out

IF one of those teams wants to give us a quality player or 2 or 3 for CV-DNP and Stuckey then I'll be happy. That doesn't mean it's likely to happen, since most teams that tank generally part with quality players for expirings, youth and picks. We have no picks to trade and limited youth to sweeten the deal.

Just another example of Joe's inability to rebuild really...

Fingers crossed someone is desperate to tank for the 2014 Draft and gives us a quality player

[Drwho17]

Is anybody mailing these options to Dumars?

Facilitating for GS sounds like a great way to pick up some young talent, Harrison Barnes would look good at SF for the Pistons, and GS is willing to part with him to pick up Howard.

[ImHeisenberg]

Is anybody mailing these options to Dumars?

Facilitating for GS sounds like a great way to pick up some young talent, Harrison Barnes would look good at SF for the Pistons, and GS is willing to part with him to pick up Howard.

I would take on any and all garbage contracts GS wants to net Barnes.

[dan2314]

we have to stop thinking we can get these borderline stars by simply giving them our junk because they might be overpaid 1 or 2mil. it doesnt work like that. the only way they do this, is if we give them legit young assets they can rebuild with, such as first round picks. giving them players who have played in the league and have done nothing isnt very appealing. unless we are willing to give up first round picks for the next 3 years, lets just stick to amnestying DNP-CV and signing players in free agency

You don't get borderline stars simply by them junk...

unless that team really, really wants to tank... I mean lose the right way.

Maybes = Atlanta, Boston, Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto,

Teams we know are tanking: Charlotte, Orlando, Philadelphia, Utah

Teams that are still kind of tanking because of their future cap/pick situation: Cleveland

Teams that may take a different approach due to current roster/cap situation: Memphis, Minnesota, New Orleans

That's a lot of teams that may or may not choose to tank depending on how things shake out

IF one of those teams wants to give us a quality player or 2 or 3 for CV-DNP and Stuckey then I'll be happy. That doesn't mean it's likely to happen, since most teams that tank generally part with quality players for expirings, youth and picks. We have no picks to trade and limited youth to sweeten the deal.

Just another example of Joe's inability to rebuild really...

Fingers crossed someone is desperate to tank for the 2014 Draft and gives us a quality player

so you agree or disagree with me? you went on for ever, only to reach the point i was making.. its incredibly unlikely we get a borderline star by giving up junk. a tanking/rebuilding team is going to want to build around draft picks, in which we are not prepared to give up..
its fine to test the waters, which as far as we know, is all he is doing, but you cant wait too long on that and then miss out on signing anyone as they all get taken up while you wait. i just want us to go and sign a good player or two like iggy, just to know we wont end up with being forced into getting guys who are bad fits and not guys we really wanted, and worry about the trades once we have a base. then you know if the trades fail, you have something, and can fill the roster out with other pieces

[mercury]

I live in the Memphis area, and watched Rudy Gay for the last four years on a regular basis.

He's not worth his contract. He has talent, but he doesn't have a high basketball IQ and is wildly inconsistent. Also, he spends too much time ball watching, and often allows his man to take advantage of that.

There's a reason Memphis plowed through to the WCF after trading him- while Prince isn't nearly the athlete of scorer that Gay is, he doesn't constantly make mistakes, or try to pointlessly play "hero ball". He was addition by subtraction in Memphis.

Don't get me wrong- Rudy isn't a bad guy. He's not going to be a locker room problem. But, I doubt he'll ever put his talent together with enough focus to play at the elite level that he's being paid to perform at. Additionally, I don't think Toronto even takes that deal.

Aaron Afflalo straight up for Stuckey isn't impossible, but maybe unlikely. He is a touch overpaid for what he brings, and with KCP here, he might not be needed.

I would take either of those deals if they were a reality- in both cases, it dumps a player we don't want and nets one that can at least contribute.

I can live with this analysis... always take long term watchers views over media and local interest.... fair enough

[Pharaoh]

so you agree or disagree with me? you went on for ever, only to reach the point i was making..

Sorry, didn't realise I had to agree or disagree with anyone, just thought I'd state my opinion like everyone else seems to be doing.

If you were looking for back up did my post not provide it?

[7r5ur]

If we can get Barnes simply by taking expiring contracts from GSW so they can sign dwight.... That is the absolute best of all worlds. Good/young SF, and it prevents Joe from blowing cap space on a bad crop of free agents.

[Natopher]

I'm all for getting Barnes, the problem though is that you'd probably have to take on Bogut and Biedrins or Jefferson, or maybe even both. Otherwise they won't have the money to sign Dwight. At that point we'll probably be tapped out financially and still have holes to fill at backup/starting PG and backup SG. That said, I'd probably still do that trade as I think Barnes would be entirely worth a couple years of no cap space, but it is something to consider. I'm not sure if we'd have the most balanced roster next season if we did that, so playoff success (if we made it) might be tough.

[dan2314]

is ANOTHER young player without experience really the best idea though? would igoudala or gay not be a better option to have someone who can be someone to show the kids the way to get things done. someone whos been in the league for a long time, someone the younger players can look up to. iggy would be perfect not only because he seems like that guy, its even better when theyre the best player on the team, but in a way that he is incredibly unselfish and doesnt have to have the ball on every possession to be effective.

[Pharaoh]

is ANOTHER young player without experience really the best idea though? would igoudala or gay not be a better option to have someone who can be someone to show the kids the way to get things done. someone whos been in the league for a long time, someone the younger players can look up to. iggy would be perfect not only because he seems like that guy, its even better when theyre the best player on the team, but in a way that he is incredibly unselfish and doesnt have to have the ball on every possession to be effective.

Agree that is part of the attraction of Iggy

Very experienced, a legit pro, unselfish... price is the only issue methinks.

Let's assume we pay him $14 mil per and Drummond is getting $4 mil per... one could look at it as paying both guys $9 mil each

[dan2314]

is ANOTHER young player without experience really the best idea though? would igoudala or gay not be a better option to have someone who can be someone to show the kids the way to get things done. someone whos been in the league for a long time, someone the younger players can look up to. iggy would be perfect not only because he seems like that guy, its even better when theyre the best player on the team, but in a way that he is incredibly unselfish and doesnt have to have the ball on every possession to be effective.

Agree that is part of the attraction of Iggy

Very experienced, a legit pro, unselfish... price is the only issue methinks.

Let's assume we pay him $14 mil per and Drummond is getting $4 mil per... one could look at it as paying both guys $9 mil each

yeah i dont think getting someone of iggys stature to come to here in FA, which as we know is not a destination city, to be someone who might just be a big part of escalating a team from a perrenial lottery team to a top 4 contender, for 14mil (9 if you want to go by yours) out of an available 28, is that much of a big deal. its not 18 like rudy which makes it ridiculously tough to move, its 14, for a very important player on a good team.. i dont think its a terrible contract at all.