Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Ben Gordons 13 million dollar expiring comes off the books next season, so we will have cap space again next season as well. Also Jeffersons contract comes off the books in time to extend our young guys so its not like we married to the thing for 20 years.

There was no need to overpay for AJ. And we've hurt our chances in the 2014 draft. I know there will be Bobcats fans that cheer anything the Bobcats do but the plain and simple truth is this was a dumb move for numerous reasons.

We will have to overpay for any free agent, whether its Al Jefferson or a no name guy named Joseph Sasquatchey from the Netherlands.

[James Gatz]

Had we not signed someone like Al this offseason we most likely would have kept Tyrus another season. So in a way it's like a 3 year 32 millon dollar contract. That's much more palatable.

[Snidely FC]

Comparing him to the man we're all the waiting on - Dwight Howard - he actually stacks up pretty well. Jefferson produced a player efficiency rating that ranked 21st in the NBA last season, while Howard finished 36th.

Al Jefferson averaged 10.1 PPG inside the paint last season, one of 13 NBA players to average 10+. The Bobcats averaged 38.6 PPG inside the paint last season (24th in NBA), with their leading scorer being 6'1 guard Kemba Walker (6.6 PPG).

Al Jefferson 18 ppg 9 rpg 20.99 PER

[Liver_Pooty]

No he should play every chance you can get him in there. If you truly want to develop a winner and use youth to do it they need to be on the court the most they can be.

So you would rather play Bismack Biyombo instead of Al Jefferson? Biyombo has a lot to learn, and Ewing on top of Jefferson could teach him. This fan base has gotten to use to losing. We are still going to lose next year and keep our draft pick while our young kids actually learn how to play with a center that is capable of putting the ball in the basket. Walker and Henderson are probably throwing a party right now.

Yes I would because I saw improvement from him over the course of last year. Rather than watching a black hole who might as well not even go to the other end of the court. So now we have a waste of space in the middle making our team just good enough to not improve at all after wasting a pick this summer on another guy who could not currently defend his position if his life depended on it. We will actually be a worse defensive team this year which was really hard to do. If Walker is throwing a party right now it is because he hasn't looked at how this will effect his future and kill this team for years to come. Jason Richardson 2.0. So very sad people are so short sighted when it comes to building a winner if you don't think ahead you do this crap and get stuck on the level we are.

Lol. Starting Biyombo over Jefferson. There is a lot Biyombo can learn from Jefferson as far as post moves go that's for sure.

[jtrinaldi]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

I think everyone agrees that it was an overpay. But it doesn't hurt the Bobcats to do so.

Now, OTOH, it could very well put us back into purgatory...

you guys are really having a bad offseason,first Zeller,and now this. Being a Bucks fan,I feel your pain.

[Red Larrivee]

You are right they will be like the 9th or 10th team in the east. So now fans whine about not making the playoffs and we get a bad pick in the draft and maybe our pick goes to Chicago. This could not have been a worse move.

Do you really think Jefferson/Zeller are a 10+win improvement? Keep in mind teams with Jefferson as the best player, usually have been pretty bad.

[James Gatz]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

I think everyone agrees that it was an overpay. But it doesn't hurt the Bobcats to do so.

Now, OTOH, it could very well put us back into purgatory...

you guys are really having a bad offseason,first Zeller,and now this. Being a Bucks fan,I feel your pain.

I'd still rather be Horncats fan. Hopefully you guys let Jennings go and don't sign OJ.

[freakon0mics]

Hopefully we can still play Zeller and Bismack heavy minutes for their development but more so that we can still be sorry enough for a top 3 pick. I really want Jefferson to come into play after we land Wiggins, Parker, or Randle.

[Liver_Pooty]

Not trying to bash you guys,but I think you overpaid for him about 10 million dollars.

I think everyone agrees that it was an overpay. But it doesn't hurt the Bobcats to do so.

Now, OTOH, it could very well put us back into purgatory...

you guys are really having a bad offseason,first Zeller,and now this. Being a Bucks fan,I feel your pain.

Why are you on our board with this jibberish? Head on back over there and try to think of ways to keep your team in Milwaukee. Thanks

[James Gatz]

Hopefully we can still play Zeller and Bismack heavy minutes for their development but more so that we can still be sorry enough for a top 3 pick. I really want Jefferson to come into play after we land Wiggins, Parker, or Randle.

This was my thinking as well.

[jtrinaldi]

Comparing him to the man we're all the waiting on - Dwight Howard - he actually stacks up pretty well. Jefferson produced a player efficiency rating that ranked 21st in the NBA last season, while Howard finished 36th.

Al Jefferson averaged 10.1 PPG inside the paint last season, one of 13 NBA players to average 10+. The Bobcats averaged 38.6 PPG inside the paint last season (24th in NBA), with their leading scorer being 6'1 guard Kemba Walker (6.6 PPG).

Al Jefferson 18 ppg 9 rpg 20.99 PER

Ersan Ilyasova averaged 13.7 and 7 with a 18.37 per while getting a contract extension of 5/40. Very interesting,nearly 6 million dollars more a year to someone that averages about 4 more points a game,and 2 more rebounds a game.

[Snidely FC]

Did you know that Al Jefferson averaged the same # of rebounds per game as Kenneth Faried this year. 9.2/game?
That ranked him #14 rebounder in NBA, and the #10 Center, ahead of Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert & Chris Bosh.

[gamer4Life]

Can Big Al be traded this coming season to a contender?

[jtrinaldi]

I think everyone agrees that it was an overpay. But it doesn't hurt the Bobcats to do so.

Now, OTOH, it could very well put us back into purgatory...

you guys are really having a bad offseason,first Zeller,and now this. Being a Bucks fan,I feel your pain.

Why are you on our board with this jibberish? Head on back over there and try to think of ways to keep your team in Milwaukee. Thanks

the team is in no threat of leaving. Herb will not let the team leave Milwaukee,even after he is dead.
No Harm intended,back to the Bucks forum I go.

[Nanogeek]

We will have to overpay for any free agent, whether its Al Jefferson or a no name guy named Joseph Sasquatchey from the Netherlands.

Which is why you TRADE for players on existing contracts rather than sign free agents.

[freakon0mics]

You are right they will be like the 9th or 10th team in the east. So now fans whine about not making the playoffs and we get a bad pick in the draft and maybe our pick goes to Chicago. This could not have been a worse move.

Do you really think Jefferson/Zeller are a 10+win improvement? Keep in mind teams with Jefferson as the best player, usually have been pretty bad.

If you really want to dig in though, they haven't necessarily landed a lot of top 3 picks on teams he has played on. Minnesota's highest pick was OJ Mayo at 3 when Big Al was there and Utah was getting late lottery picks. With Boston, the highest pick they had was the 5th pick. In this coming draft, to bust out the gates we really need Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. Picking 4th or 5th wont' cut it.

[Liver_Pooty]

We will have to overpay for any free agent, whether its Al Jefferson or a no name guy named Joseph Sasquatchey from the Netherlands.

Which is why you TRADE for players on existing contracts rather than sign free agents.

Give up assets for players on existing contracts as opposed to keeping your assets and overpaying a little bit? We may have overpaid, but it wasn't by a significant margin.

[thruthefire]

You are right they will be like the 9th or 10th team in the east. So now fans whine about not making the playoffs and we get a bad pick in the draft and maybe our pick goes to Chicago. This could not have been a worse move.

Do you really think Jefferson/Zeller are a 10+win improvement? Keep in mind teams with Jefferson as the best player, usually have been pretty bad.

There are a few other things to consider: Not having Dunlap, not having Mullens, and possible improvement from MKG.

[Liver_Pooty]

You are right they will be like the 9th or 10th team in the east. So now fans whine about not making the playoffs and we get a bad pick in the draft and maybe our pick goes to Chicago. This could not have been a worse move.

Do you really think Jefferson/Zeller are a 10+win improvement? Keep in mind teams with Jefferson as the best player, usually have been pretty bad.

If you really want to dig in though, they haven't necessarily landed a lot of top 3 picks on teams he has played on. Minnesota's highest pick was OJ Mayo at 3 when Big Al was there and Utah was getting late lottery picks. With Boston, the highest pick they had was the 5th pick. In this coming draft, to bust out the gates we really need Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. Picking 4th or 5th wont' cut it.

We couldn't even get a top 3 pick out of a 21 win season. No way we get one next year unless the ping pong balls are nice to us. Best case scenario we pull a Washington and jump up from an 8'ish spot to top 3. We deserve it.

[Red Larrivee]

If you really want to dig in though, they haven't necessarily landed a lot of top 3 picks on teams he has played on. Minnesota's highest pick was OJ Mayo at 3 when Big Al was there and Utah was getting late lottery picks. With Boston, the highest pick they had was the 5th pick. In this coming draft, to bust out the gates we really need Wiggins, Parker, or Randle. Picking 4th or 5th wont' cut it.

If you're holding out for a top-3 pick, that's not a plan, it's a hope.

Even if the Bobcats didn't agree to a deal with Jefferson, there's no guarantee they would get the top-3 pick. Look at this past year. They had the 2nd worst record (that was decided by on the last game of the season) and ended up with the 4th pick.

You can't build a team around those ping pong balls, it will screw you every time.

There are a few other things to consider: Not having Dunlap, not having Mullens, and possible improvement from MKG.

So then they could still be better anyway. Do you know how many teams are hoping they'll get a top-3 pick next year? There's no move you can make right now that's going to guarantee it.